STL 178: To Glue One Edge or Two?
Mike and Ben talk with Bob Van Dyke about stropping, acclimating wood, jointer safety, glue ups, and their all-time favorite techniquesTo enter to win Bob Van Dyke’s sharpening box from issue #254:
- Leave a comment below
- Head over to the Connecticut Valley School of Woodworking site and sign up for their email list
We’ll pick a winner December 21, 2018.
Question 1:
From Amy:
I’ve been using a piece of vegetable tanned leather with green waxy honing compound as a strop. I start by rubbing compound onto the shiny side of the leather. However, when I go to strop my carving knives, the pressure from my blade compresses the compound and it flakes off. Is there something wrong with my compound, or am I doing something wrong?
Question 2:
From Matt:
I have some 10-in. wide 8/4 African Mahogany that I have been resawing into thinner boards. I start by jointing one face then one edge and then resawing, usually down the middle. There is a good amount of tension in the boards, so after resawing they have a decent twist. Do I need to let the boards re-acclimate before I re-joint and plane them, or can I do that immediately? Also, would I be better off not jointing the face and resawing to a center-line rather than using the bandsaw fence. It seems like a waste of time getting that face flat just so I can use the bandsaw fence.
Segment: Technique
Bob: Fixing a mistake and perfectly matching both the face grain and end grain.
Ben: Using a sawbench to support the ramps when moving machinery off the back of a pickup truck
Mike: Using a bird-mouth joint to create dividers
Question 3:
From Matt (in Australia):
I see many of the worlds best woodworkers only apply glue to one mating surface of a joint not both as advocated by Hoadley. When is it acceptable to only apply glue to one surface of a mating joint?
Question 4:
From Anthony:
Last couple years I’ve been on the hunt for an 8” jointer and just recently I was able to secure a CL purchase on a 12” jointer that I’m pretty excited about. It’s a Bridgewood 12” 5hp that I picked up a few hours away from a now retired door maker. As with most home woodworkers, my jointing experience has been on a six inch jointer. What are the potential areas of concern with a larger jointer? In general, with a jointer, what leads up to an accident? Is it simply being unaware of your hands and proper use?
Recommendations:
Ben – David Johnson’s Instagram Page
Bob – His own Instagram page
Mike – Go buy a fresh bottle of glue
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Comments
I would be honored to own and USE the sharpening station!
Just invested some new stones. Would love a place to put them.
I could put a sharpening station to good use!
I’m here for the free stuff. And Bob’s great.
Absolutely love the show. It's my bi weekly fix. Thanks guys , and yes would love the giveaway! Signed up to email
Tanc sade
I sticker and wrap my projects! Belts and suspenders man!
Ben Strano.
I've bought that issue just to build that box. This could definitely save me some trouble! I love this solution over the tackle box I use now to store stones.
Love it when Bob joins the fun! Nice show!
Nice giveaway. Would love to have it.
Would love the sharpening box.
I liked the comments about re-sawing causing cupping. I re-sawed some 10 inch wide white birch using a Resaw King blade. That's the one that is 1 inch wide with big carbide teeth. The birch cupped so bad, about 1/4 inch at the center. I switched over to one from Infinity that all steel but much thinner and is intended for re-sawing. It cut faster, went through the saw easier and did not cause cupping.
I would like the box too... Love the show!
Absolutely fantastic sharpening box!
Great discussion on glue up, I have to agree with Bob on this one, I was always taught to glue both surfaces.
Larry
Great podcast, always wanted Bob’s sharing box.
Been a regular listener of this podcast and the Fine Homebuilding one for a long time. Love them both, but I enjoy the banter and humor of your podcast the most.
John T.
Sunny So. Cal.
Another helpful show. Bob Van Dyke adds a lot of practical insight into the podcast. And to Mike, I put glue on both surfaces and I just bought a bottle of glue. Rockler had some Titebond III on sale for half price.
Don Bullock, WB Fine Woodworking
I would love to have and use the sharpening box!
My 3 year old daughter has taken an interest in my woodworking, I’ve taught her how to plane using a LN #1. She loves working with me. I’ve begun building her a mini bench, and in another year I’ll teach her sharpening. I’d gift her this box, and stock it with all she’ll need.
Just signed up to Bobs list! Another great episode..thanks for making a great podcast.
Great episode as usual! All signed up fon the email list and could most definitely use a box for my sharpening stones! Good luck all! Happy holidays!!
Heading over to Bob's site next to sign up for the newsletter!
Best woodworking podcast by far. The standard by which all others should be judged! Number one in Paramaribo Suriname!!
Great podcast! Bob, Mike, and Ben are my favorite trio. I have been listening to STL for well over a year now and I think I laughed the most I have yet. I have been lucky enough to take a class with both Bob and Mike at CT Valley (highly recommend), so I'm already signed up for the mailing list!
Great stuff. You should have Bob on more often.
Thanks for a great podcast. I enjoyed the issue and would love to fill that box with my sharpening gear.
Great show. Probably my favorite giveaway prize of all time.
Just found this podcast a couple of months ago. Looking forward to catching up on the past ‘casts during my commute, which lasts about an episode (unless Ben makes it go long).
Good looking sharpening box. Would really help me a lot to keep from misplacing stuff.
Excellent show as always. The discussion on jointer safety cannot be overstated. As a young man, I worked around a number of seasoned woodworkers many of whom had one or two fingers shorter than the rest as a result of encounters with unguarded jointer heads. It happens quick and it's usually a lifetime reminder.
Great looking work. This would go great in my garage shop.
Great show as always! I have taken numerous classes with Bob and looking forward to taking a class with Mike. Mike, great book, great read and reference. Happy Holidays!
Great show! It's always really enjoyable when Bob's on. Thanks!!
Keep up the great show Fine Woodworking! Always enjoy when Bob is on the “live” show.
I ordered Mike's book a couple of weeks ago and received a notice today that they're out of stock. Hope they print some more.
Bob
Love shop talk "live". Where else can you hear Starbucks and horse butts talked about in the same discussion, and somehow come away with new woodworking insights?
I usually put glue on one surface when gluing panels, but I rub them together before clamping.
I sure would like to win that box.
The discussion on fixing mistakes really hit home. I think that ability is one of the hurdles to becoming a fine woodworker. A regular column or video in your publications detailing a different "mistake" repair would be a perfect tool for us fledgeling woodworkers to look forward to. How about "Repair Rodeo" ;-)
Oh, that beautiful box would change my life for the better! I would use, use, use it. I have a feeling my wife thinks I spend all my time sharpening stuff and making a mess in our shared workshop. Help me prove her wrong! I won't make any more messes, but I will spend even more time sharpening stuff!
Another very useful set of topics. Appreciated the different approaches on stroping and gluing one edge. Bob’s a knowledgeable guest. Get him back.
So I used to think that stropping on leather had to be a great way to round up an edge. But many people were doing it successfully. How so? Well don't try it on the soft cow hide leather I was imagining and don't use a lot of pressure, and don't do it free-hand. As Bob says, using stiff horse butt leather, keep the tool in your honing guide, and using light pressure are important. Of course, back strokes only is important if you don't want to carve up your strop.
Humor enhances the woodworking wisdom you folks deliver every 2 weeks. I almost died laughing after Ben’s response to Anissa’s wondering if there is a bad joint (in a recent podcast).
Hey, I'd love to win that sharpening box too. Also, I usually watch on YouTube, so I commented there but I thought I should copy it here too...
Re: panel glue up... the best way I've heard of is to stand all the edges that need glue up side by side, then apply the glue in a thin layer to all the pieces at once with a paint roller, then all you have to do is lay them down (especially good if you do it on top of clamps already laid out where they need to be) and tighten it up.
Beautiful sharpening box. It's been on my to-do list for a while now!
Beautiful sharpening box, thanks for the chance to win it. Always enjoy this show. You guys are the best.
Cool episode -need more B-O-B on the podcast
Yes would love the sharpening box
Having a piece from the magazine would be amazing. Love all of the commentators on the podcast, but what happened to Matt Kenney, haven't seen him in a while. Miss the snarky comments.
This would replace my plastic tub nicely.
Yes sir, I'd love to own and use Bob's sharpening station! As before, one of my favorite Shop Talk Live's, due to Bob's knowledge and wit.
Btw, did I miss what kind of table saw Mike got?
I just moved my hand tools to a spare basement bedroom and I have nothing in there for organization, and it's killing me. All I have is my bench and some plywood on sawhorses. I was looking at building this box, but this would be so amazing to win!
A fantastic give away to ne lucky listener. Thanks for making it available!
Hello, I just purchased some new whetstones and would very much like a fancy box to house them in. I enjoy the podcast; thanks for setting up an awesome giveaway.
Hey all, great show as usual!
Great show. I'm with Kevin.
Great show! My go to podcast
Dearest Amy -
I am a chemist and can say your answer was almost nailed but not quite, and it only took 20 minutes. Two things - I think your leather was vegetable tanned which leaves a waxy coating (great for tooling, not for stropping compound), and your chromium oxide (the only abrasive that is green paste) was a little too waxy. The two will not mix because it is like wax on wax-try taking a candle and rubbing it against another-they don't stick, they just flake against each other (unless you get the temperature up, more on that later). Now try taking olive oil (which coincidentally can be green) and mixing it with canola oil-it will mix beautifully. If you want to use your current strop, you need to run it across something abrasive, say a 1000-3000 grit whetstone to get that waxy coating off, and possibly rub it with an oil soaked finger. Then you need to toss out your current chromium oxide stick or get the temperature up on it. Most are designed for a buffing wheel running at 3000-10000 RPM, where the carrier melts into the cloth buffing wheel. Either a blowtorch, friction, high speed wheel buffer, or dissolving a pulverized version of it in oil or detergent will get it in a state where it is actually useful for you. Actually once you prep the strop it might just work OK directly. You need to dissolve the chromium oxide into the leather. Oil, saddle soap, or another oily or detergent-y thing will do it for you.
I'm going to look up that box in the archives. Looks like a fun build, unless I win the drawing.
Enjoyed the show and like the ongoing guest rotation. The sharpening box was one of the first projects I built after becoming a subscriber and getting "back" into woodworking as a hobby. For all who don't win, I would highly recommend the project. Great method for building a box with dividers, so it was a great learning experience for me, but I also an incredibly useful addition to the shop. I used a sink cutout from high res laminate countertop for mine.
Really enjoyed the glue up conversation. Very interesting points of view. I would be thrilled to win the sharpening station. Really an attractive piece. Would also be a great birthday present for me (born on 12/21 a few years back). Keep the great info coming.
Fabulous giveaway and great podcast. Going out and replacing my jointer push pads with grout floats. Thanks for the info.
Ben, I'm glad you weren't hurt when you and your dad moved that beast of a saw. I type this one day after having had hernia surgery - now I have a matching pair. Guys and gals, please be careful out there with heavy objects. No tool is worth more than the old bod. We all need to think things thru before casually getting into a bad situation where we can be hurt. My latest hernia has me considering a nice little portable thickness planer over a more robust larger model. As a one man band, I need to be able to move the sucker without hurting myself. If i wear the planer out early, so be it.
Hi, loved the podcast and really enjoy the banter and the sound of Bob's laugh. I'm pretty new to wood working and just bought my first set of chisels on the weekend. Bob's sharpening station looks beautiful, functional and would be an inspiring piece to have around. I would love to have it!
I was looking at that article just the other day, if I win the sharpening station, I won't have to build it.
Another great show, and thumbs up for having Bob on again. Keep up the great work.
Great show. I will be building this box for my son if I win the prize. Otherwise, tough luck son!
CJ
And this is another comment touting how much we all love Bob. Mike is pretty good, too. Oh, and that other guy is alright, I guess,... since Ed is gone, anyway... (wink, Ben)
Welp, 65 entries eh?
@Ben It might be worth noting to people to sign up to Ct Valley's mailing list with the same email they use for their Fine WW'ing account. Also, love the show. Miss MK. and My gf is super impressed Mike designed the Van's logo. (so am I).
An awesome box! I would love giving it a lifetime of use and having it in my shop to keep me sharp and remind me that quality is always a priority.
Great discussion. I liked the safety talk was awesome.
Great discussion! One of these days I’m going to take a class with bob and/or mike at the Conn Valley School of Woodworking! And I would make great use of that sharpening station! My stones and sharpening tools are in dire need of some organization!
Another great show! Love listening on my commute. Gets me psyched to get home and work in the garage!
Great podcast. I have been asking myself about gluing one edge or two as well.
First time posting a comment. Count me in Listening too the broadcast while waiting for a flight at TPA.
Re: Stropping—
1) Mike is absolutely right that carvers strop.
2) Phil Lowe strops his carving tools. It’s the most critical step in his methods.
3) Phil doesn’t strop his plane irons because he has the finest grit waterstone (White one—Norton?) that is something over 8000. In a class recently, someone asked him what he’d do if he didn’t have that white waterstone. His response? Strop on leather without compound (noting that barbers have done that for hundreds of years). He also mentioned he wouldn’t push hard when stropping a plane iron, to avoid rounding the edge. But he wasn’t in theory against stropping plane irons and chisels-just doesn’t have a need for it himself anymore. He used to do it before he got his current system.
This would be fantastic to have at work! I use my chisels and planes daily at Stancraft Boat Company and having a container that I can grab that has everything I need for sharpening would be fantastic!
I would suggest a weekly pod cast but I don’t want to bomb my chances of winning. Been using my concrete floats for a while and they are the way to go.
One Edge Or Two
I was in the shop today glueing up some hex tubes that will become kaleidoscopes. Nine inches long and just over and inch and a half diameter. The normal glue up is one bead down one side of six beveled slats. Then roll the tape backed slats into their final hex shape. Remembering you podcast I opened the assembly back up to check coverage. There was 100% coverage. I'm also very frugal with the glue since excessive squeeze out inside the tube would be a problem later. This is small scale work and has little bearing on full sized furniture making, however may be helpful for some craftspeople.
Love the pod-cast, keep them coming.
J. Paden
Great podcast! Happy Holidays Ben, Bob, Mike, and Jeff!
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