STL285: Now the robots are DESIGNING the furniture!
Larissa, Vic, and Ben discuss A.I. in furniture design, edge banding for plywood, machine maintenance, and a listener's bandsaw issues.Sponsored by Mortise and Tenon Magazine
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Question 1:
From Joe:
This may come as a shock to you. I watch a lot of YouTube videos about ….. woodworking. Rather recently, on the Make Something YouTube channel, the host used artificial intelligence to design something that he then went on to build. While I enjoy the design process, I think it might be fun to use AI to design something as well as use the AI’s iterative powers to refine and hone things. This YouTube video and the internet in general seem a bit light on using AI to design furniture. Have any of you played with AI in woodworking design? Do you have any suggestions on where to go, what resources to use, what website/programs, etc would make this possible? Does this sound like a topic worth exploring in FWW? Many thanks and fingers crossed that Judgement Day isn’t my fault.
Question 2:
From Joe:
Preparing to make new cabinets for the home my father built in 1962. I’m an engineer and my father was carpenter as his father before him. Restated, I can be picky and passionately detest iron on edging.
Seeking the most robust and aesthetic plywood edge finishing that can be done with minimal time and materials. (I warned you that I’m picky!). Will probably go with birch veneer plywood, thought about walnut but it’s a north facing room that could too dark.
Any ideas?
Six Ways to Edge PlywoodThe choices vary in their complexity and durability and the time they take to execute |
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Segments
Ben: Clamping widgets
Tractor Supply Company – Baler Belting
4 ft. x 6 ft. Thick Rubber Stall Mat
Larissa: Dowel plate
Vic: Pica Mechanical Pencil
Question 3:
From Greg:
What are the regular maintenance activities that you perform on your machines, or that you should perform but neglect because “who has time for that business”? I know this is a big question with no simple answer, but I’d be curious to get a sense of how you folks care for the machines in your shop.
Setting Up a Machine Maintenance ScheduleTo help fight the urge to be lazy about maintenance, Bob Miller selects a single day a year to grease and lubricate all of the bearings in the shop. |
Question 4:
From Jesse:
I have a Laguna 14/bx 1.17hp band saw. When I went to resaw a 7â piece of shedua the board âjumpedâ and then had significant drift. I increased the tension thinking this particular blade brand needed more tension, tested and it did it again. I then adjusted all of the guides and tested, on a scrap piece of ash, the board jumped again but cut straight. I then tried the shedua, again it jumped and produced drift. I then discovered the throat plate was about 1/8â below the table causing the blade to grab the board at initial contact causing the âjump.â I adjusted that and attempted to resaw again, the drift was so bad the blade twisted and pulled one of the lower ceramic guide blocks out of the holder. Since the blade was recommended on STL 238 I donât believe itâs a bad brand. Could my 1.75hp be underpowered for a 2/3tpi blade? Did the jumping damage the blade causing it to not cut true? Is it possible for the blade to catch the grain in flat sawn wood or specifically shedua causing the drift. I bought a couple of the blades and now hesitant to use them after this experience. I am new to band saws the only experience I have with them has been since I bought it about 6 months ago but this is the third blade Iâve put on and itâs the first time Iâve had any drift, so I know the saw is capable of cutting drift free. Any help understanding the problem and how to remedy it would be very appreciated.
Tool review: EZtension Bandsaw Tension GaugeRollie Johnon reviews a clever bandsaw tension gauge. |
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Comments
Really enjoyed the podcast (as usual). As both an AI-professional (mathematician who designs, trains, and deploys AI models to pay the bills) and hobbyist woodworker, I thought I might chip in my two-cents.
I tend to agree with Larissa that AI won't ruin everything (there are a lot of cases where AI is likely to do actual harm, but that's another topic). A good use of AI tends to expand what we are capable of doing (like any good tool). I think of it as analogous to the advent of the calculator and computers and how those tools have impacted mathematics. For the last 4-500 years or so, since the advent of Calculus, a person's ability to use mathematics (to understand science, invent/engineer, etc) was limited by that person's ability to do arithmetic (accurately and in volume). Computers (and calculators) made arithmetic (generally) more accurate and faster removing traditional hurdles (the fact that math classes still tend to focus on arithmetic is an unfortunate legacy that we can't seem to get over). But, having computers means that even people who can't dependably "do arithmetic" can still design, experiment, run simulations, etc. It allows people to focus on the concepts and the meaning of the result rather than focus on the mechanics of "getting numbers."
I see that (AI, or AI-assisted design) impacting (positively) furniture making in (at least) two ways.
First, I think it will make design more accessible to more people. People who feel like they can't draw probably don't spend most of their time trying to draw or design. If they begin the craft of woodworking, they may always stick to pre-made plans, or modify those slightly. The idea of design may just seem out of reach. For those people, a tool like this could be door opening... even if only as a tool that helps them draw (they describe ideas and the AI tries various ways to render the idea with feedback from the designer).
Second, when I'm in the process of design, I may make many rough sketches iterating on ideas. Once I have something I mostly like, I may try to make detailed "plans." This process can be very lengthy though--because making even a 100 sketches takes a non-trivial amount of time, and making careful plans for one of those is no fast feat either. But, if I could use an AI tool to generate (quickly) a bunch of designs (most of which are terrible) that I could then pick my favorites and iterate (i.e. tell the AI to discard some, and make more like "these," or say, blend these two or three designs together, etc) then I might iterate though thousands of sketches in an evening (again, most may be garbage, but if a couple are decent... then it's a win).
I don't expect the AI to "just generate something great" on its first try with no feedback from me. And, I would probably never "just use" whatever the AI had designed. But I think it could provide a fast way to generate ideas, explore them, and iterate. Could the AI also make the furniture? Perhaps. Though, for me that would remove all the enjoyment... so I don't see myself asking an AI to "make it too."
Watched this a few days ago. I really enjoyed it (although I had my doubts when I read the title). Changes and advances are what keep things fresh. Imagine what some of the "old time" hand-tool workers thought when power tools showed up.
Vic, Ben, and Larissa
I love the show! Last year on a road trip I listened to almost all the first few years in the archives, but I really enjoy following the current ones.
Some thoughts from the show:
I thought this was funny, there are numerous blender classes for modeling furniture. (I still need to learn sketchup LOL)
https://www.udemy.com/course/create-furniture-in-blender/
Yes, we missed the boat already.
Vic, thank you for the eztensioner mention, Im embarking on a few walker turner vintage bandsaw rebuilds, I will be sure to reference your articles as well as the great Michael Fortune.
Like anything else, I think good design and good craftsmanship will never be replaced by anything programmatic (im a software engineer). Its just another tool in the arsenal to be used by a creative mind.
Keep up the great work guys!
PS. Im taking a road trip to Charlotte this April, any woodworking highlights to hit?
Jeremy
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