Hello to all, To Will,glad to hear there are no hard feelings, To Westchester,thank you for opening the door when I knocked,and inviting me in. To all who have come,with good insight,helpful hints,and more positive attitudes,I say thank you very much. I was asked to give some insight here on the problems with the forums,(2-08-10 ). We have together, found a smoldering ember,of a once bright flame, should we collectively chose to help, each adding the kindling and light breezes,the ember will survive and produce a brighter flame. In time we will all find the warmth,and flame,an enjoyable place to come and sit,poke a bit at each other,and have some fun. I for one look forward to this, and look forward to learning new things, and easier ways to certain steps that will achieve a good finished project. Thank You All !!. Garyowen
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Hey Gary -
It's great to see
Hey Gary -
It's great to see yours and others positive feedback here.
The site has got some bugs which I'm hoping will be worked out soon. I'm sure they will - hang in there !
This is a place to BS with others who share the same interests -I for one owe something to FWW ever since I purchased the first issue in 1975 and realized woodworking was the direction to go in for me. I was working in a cabinet shop then but what came from the magazine for me - I wasn't going to learn there.
With all the talk about other sites - I had to check them out - they are OK - but not enough to draw me away.
SA
Hi Westchester,thanks for the reply. I hope it picks up momentum to,as it has been said it takes a small amount of time and effort, it is also nice to see a few more new posts here, and some less complicated answers, but the best part is they seem to take the same course, “ Welcome to knots, Feel free to ask, and more importantly, feel free to give advise on a subject.”. I have also gone on other sites, and just took a look, there were 3 things that blew me away, one was that you can’t veneer to a solid surface, the other was a butcher block top measuring 8 ft x 7 ft yes those are correct measures, it warped I guess do to size, some one asked if the customer soaked it in the sink or put it in the dishwasher, the third was a person who wanted to cut pergola ends on an 8 inch x 8 inch piece of wood, he was told to build a platform for the band saw, why?, this way he could roll the saw around to make the cut!!!. Even with our problems, I have never seen this type of advise given here. So I guess you will all be stuck with me for some time, thanks all those here for a warm welcome!!. garyowen
" Even with our problems, I have never seen this type of advise given here."
Hmmm..... you must be new here. I've read posts here and elsewhere that support all the things you seem to think have never been suggested on Knots. The things that "blew you away" on the other sites.
1. One can veneer to a solid (I'm assuming you mean solid wood... as in boards, not plywood) surface. Many here (Rob Millard among others) have testified to that fact. I've done it myself, by the way.
2. There is no reason at all that a properly glued up 8'x7' top should warp out of control. I've made a table top that measured 8'x6' that has performed perfectly for many years. I'd add more to it if the client wanted although they'd need a larger dining room.
3. Adding wheels to a bandsaw and rolling it through the cut is a well documented contractor technique when dealing with large timbers. The bandsaw becomes sort of a large jib saw. Pretty simple actually when one thinks about it. I think I first read about this in Fine Homebuilding magazine.
Hi Sapwood,yes I am new here, I have been quick to point this out. I want to clear up the comments you made,as some of the problems with back grounds on the posts aren’t easy to read. As far as no. 1 I believe it was S.M.C. site where it was clearly stated that veneer, CAN NOT be applied to a solid surface!!, as it will not hold on to the surface. Also no, 2 any piece of wood measuring 8 feet by 7 feet, is subject to movement, depending on use, its environment, or in some cases neglect, to ask if it was caused by the owner, with them putting it in a sink or dish washer! is in my opinion absurd, and just makes you look silly. As far as no.3 is concerned, this is a STUPID piece of advice, that can get some one hurt or possibly killed, I could not live with that, on my conscience, if it were me. I hope this clears up what I posted and why. garyowen
I, too, appreciate your positive attitude, Gary. Although I've been here for a while under different IDs, a year and a half or so under the current ID, I think it's our attitudes that will determine the on-going success of this forum.
Online forums tend to bring out the negativity or argumentative nature of some folks. For the most part, that trend has mostly been absent here on Knots. Although some of us like to tease each other a bit, most here are quite civil and polite, even when they have differing opinions. A few over the years have been a little cranky, but that has been mostly tolerated because of their otherwise positive contributions.
Personally, I'm still perplexed about why some have chosen to move to different woodworking forums, all of which, by the way, are also different than the old Knots software. Software change is inevitable as companies and packages come and go. I see no reason to abandon a site just for that reason.
Anyway, good to have you here.
Hi Ralph, thanks for your reply and your support.I don’t mind a bit of poking with a stick to get a rise out of folks.I had a problem with the constant negative posts over the changes, after a couple of postings, and some support,I felt that it was time to just say what nobody wanted to hear!, if you are leaving explain your reason politely, thank those who helped you out over the years, and politely go on your way. All I ask is that each person that wants this to work,is to do your part in making it work, if you can’t or wont do that, please move on and let the others come here and enjoy. I am 50 yrs. old and since I was old enough to understand what is going on in the world, I have come to the conclusion that every thing changes, and you can’t stop it. Lets keep adding to the fire, and return the warmth, again thanks for the kind words. garyowen
Gary,
I have read of people leaving for other forums, of heated discussions about the changes and a general dissatisfaction with the changes to the forum. Everyone sees the world differently, so I can't take any issue with those, but for me the new forum is different (I'm pretty observant aren't I?) but easily mastered. I think Taunton could be a little faster on the fixes, but hey it's a free (to us) service.
I'm not a subscriber, so I don't know how the changes have effected those that are. In short, I'm here to stay, because I enjoy it.
Rob Millard
http://www.americanfederalperiod.com
Subscriptions are to the main site, and provide online access to archived articles and special content, not to Knots. The only change, subscription-wise, on the main site is that some of the domains appear to have been consolidated, making life easier.
Hi Rob, thank you for your reply,and positive feedback.I will state again that I am new here,I had not posted or replied to much here,in the past. You stated that "Everyone sees the world differently",and a view like that is also a positive, as it would other wise be very dull.I can’t give specific details on the changes.It is often stated here that this is a “community”, and as such, it is our responsibility to help others understand certain changes, as well as ways to do some thing, or to help see things from another angle.It is on that note that many of us here, are trying to help with more positive thoughts,and replies,I must admit one thing that did catch my eye, almost immediately is your razor sharp skill of being “observant”. Taunton has posted a list of changes that have been completed, so I am hoping this will help all here including those who have stated they are leaving, if you chose to leave I for one will not stand in your way, and just state that this benefits no one!.Now with this said, I will state again positive feed back is welcome. Thanks For All Your Replies So Far!. garyowen
Rob, it's good to see you
Rob, it's good to see you still around and posting. Personally I find this new forum format unpleasant. One significant dislike is the way I am informed that there are four or six new posts in a thread; I go to read them and I can't find all those new posts, so I give up and move on.
However, I still visit and sometimes post an opinion or offer advice to a questioner. The frequency of my posting has probably dropped off quite a bit because I now find the forum format, layout and presentation is not to my taste. But, as you say, it costs me nothing but time to visit, read and post, so I imagine I'll keep hanging around, even if my appearances and contributions are rarer-- many will probably say that's a benefit, ha, ha. I suppose it's possible that I even may get to like this new forum 'style', but I think that's unlikely. Slainte.
Hope the book does'nt get
Hope the book does'nt get burned up by the small ember...Remember, I need an autographed copy...Jimmy
Richard,
I had not noticed how the software says there are new posts, when none are to be found.
My biggest gripe, is how the joinery forum is apparently stuck on a workbench discussion from last year. That glitch has kept me away from that section.
I'm glad to see, despite your misgivings, you still contribute. I have always enjoyed reading what you have to say.
Rob Millard
Richard,
If the thread is more than 1 page long, and the "new" posts are on the 2d page, when you go there, the site apparently thinks you are revisiting the thread, and so the new posts aren't marked as new when you get to them.
I've posted numerous times pointing this out, but have yet to receive any acknowledgement. Feels like pi$$ing into the wind after a while.
Ray
It's irritating isn't it Ray.
It's irritating isn't it Ray. I clicked on this thread again because on revisiting Knots a few minutes ago there were a pair of brackets in the thread title saying (6 New) posts. When I got here I found your new post-- it's marked new in red text. I'm darned if I can find the other five 'new' ones that are supposed to be here.
Phantom new posts; they'll get me every time I guess, ha, ha. This new forum format really does seem to be counter-intuitive and user-unfriendly, or at least I find it so. The old format worked much better for me. Slainte.
Richard,
Careful now, or our friend Lataxe will be accusing you of being a True Virginian, you sure are sounding like me.
Q: How many True Virginians does it take to change a lightbulb?
A: Five; one to change the bulb, and four to stand around and talk about how good the old bulb used to be. hah
Best,
Ray
ps sometimes the old bulb really was better!
Doubtful Ray. He knows I'm
Doubtful Ray. He knows I'm not a virgin. Slainte.
....found a smoldering ember,of a once bright flame...
At my age, I am sort of like Charcoal! Very little flame but very hot?
Will, good come back! I got a chuckle from it. I am going to take a chance that the ice is solid, and just say any age listed as “OLD”, should be thankful for charcoal, as it smells better than dried dung!. Do you hold to the same theory as the late George Burns?, in that he found cool weather to be a plus, as he could see his breath so that he knew he was still alive!. So as a lover of music, from classical to rock, one of my favorites is the legendary B.B. King, and his beautiful and well spoken love Lucile, to paraphrase a quote of his, “ When Lucile speaks I listen, When I sing she listens”, such a great out look, enjoy your day, as much as I look forward to getting to know you better. Now I must admit I have made a mistake here, by not checking spelling gary should contain 2R”s not one, must go now and appease the gods of spelling, so as not to incur the wrath of my brain and fingers working independently of one another whilst trying to type. Garyowen
Do you hold to the same theory as the late George Burns?,
YES .. And I love old http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/h/henny_youngman.html
http://cs.nyu.edu/~dodis/quotes.html
I loved my wife more than anything.. I sure hope there is another life that we can get togrther agian... If she shoves me ofF I will understand.. I never thought I was a bad husband... Maybe she thought so but.. I think she loved me AS I DID HER! My Lady was very special to me. She died in 1989.. I still dream about her!
An to George as to
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I think we are alike.. When a man finds a woman that loves him, there is NEVER another woman to look for...
Will, I know not of your background,nor the private side of you, as we both come here in the form of words and not people that we can touch or hold. We as people seem to feel that to open the door will again result in another kick in the teeth, I certainly feel this way, and at times can’t believe that these are my real teeth.I meet my wife 13 yrs. ago through her sister, I knew in just 3 short months we would be married even with out talking to her first,the strangest part of this,is she felt the same way, with out me knowing we were on the same page. We have enjoyed many happy times together,even though I some times Feel that I am not the best person I could be. I owe a great debt to her for taking me to the doctor, and finding out some of my problems stem from an unsupportive father, clinical depression, and as tuff as it may be to admit to your self as well as others, that you are an alcoholic. I have since quit drinking, as strong as I feel my will is this is some thing I could not have done with out her. I feel that you worry your wife will push you off when you meet again, I know this because of my beliefs, that she forgives you and misses you, people and love do not die if they are held close to our hearts. This June will mark our tenth anniversary, as husband and wife, I look forward to many more with my best friend. garyowen
In response to the band saw on wheels comment. I don't have pictures of the actual cutting, but the arch in these trusses were cut using a bad saw on wheels and cleaned up with a belt sander. About 5 minutes to make each cut. extremely efficient and Safe!! The trusses in the pictures are 25 ft The double bottom cords are 7.5"x 16". The only other way I could think of would have been a template and router. I don't think that would have been very efficient for cutting 12 of these arches Especially with Douglas firs tendency to "blow out" . Your technique to achieve the look is not important as long a how your doing it is safe and the end result is of high quality and superior craftsmanship. PS the valley beam cuts were done with a 10"circular saw, sawsall and 4" grinder. You couldn't slip apiece of paper into any of the joints. All fit first try.
Hi Wyler, your comments seemed to come in two parts, can not be certain whose computer burped, mine or Taunton’s. When I went back to look again it was a complete response, that is some very niece work, where are these going?, they have a look to them of an old mill. Now I must assume, that to do work on this scale it would not be done by a single person, so just on size and the many hands needed, would also increase the safety factor. As pointed out in the other post, the person asking the question gave no information as to having any help, or size of shop as in commercial or home. I guess with a comment so lacking in detail, I wonder if any one here would be willing to give such advice, knowing the dangers, so on such little info given that is why I pointed out that it is stupid advice. I do see your point and stand by my comment that a single person should not try this, but with help, feeling comfortable, and safety being fore most, do so only if it can be done SAFELY. garyowen
HI garyowen,
These were built for a home in SW Colorado by my self and one other carpenter. The beams came rough and we resized them on a woodmiser mill, then sanded smooth using belt sanders and 6" orbitals. We did have the help of the piece of equipment seen in the pictures. Cutting the arches- we built saw horses to just under the height of the table of my 14" band saw. the band saw was placed and clamped on to a six wheeled base, all wheels pivoting. We marked the beams and made the cut. One man pushing the saw through the cut one man with an air hose blowing dust mainly to keep floor clean for the wheels to track clean. He also caught the off fall from the cut. Finished wieght of each truss was about 1300 lbs. I think your quote says it all... I was asked to build something!
Hello Garry ,
Welcome to Knots if you are new here ,I hope you will enjoy what is available here .The talent right here in this post ,Rob,Richard,Ray , is awesome and we are blessed no matter how we love the new forum to have this vast experience to tap into .
I would ask you to keep an open mind as you have sort of asked others to be more positve .When you hear or read advice here that may not sound correct to you ,tread lightly until you know it is stupid for sure .Just because we have never heard of it will not mean it isin't so .
David Ring of Israel has shared ways of doing things that were very valuable to me a 30 year cabinet/furniture maker.
Even old dogs like me can learn new tricks , right here if we want to .
Not sure what your specialty is or if you have areas of expertise to share but please do when you can , it's what keeps this place going .
As far as veneering over solids , look at some antiques many used a solid substrate often with a cross ply laid under the show veneer .There are prolly other ways also.
In certain types of constuction like Timber framing often you take the tool to the wood not the other way around just because of the size and nature of the materials.
regards , dusty, boxmaker
Hi Dusty, I point out with regular frequency, at the top of each post that I am new here. I was asked what could be done here to make things more enjoyable for all. I am not questioning anyone’s abilities, talent, intelligence, or desire, to help others. Should I have come across that way I apologize to all here, as it was not meant that way. First I ask each person who chooses to reply, to any post here, to please do so positively, Second my reply to bringing the saw to the work still stands, only because of the lack of information given in that post. I would like to thank Wyler for his post and the steps taken to do this safely. Third on the veneer, this comment was not made by me or any one on these forums, these were stated at Saw Mill Creek, and were explained again in my reply to sapwood, (reply above dated 2/11/2010). I hope this clears up some of the misunderstanding on, on these topics. I will again state positive feed back is welcome, and again thank you for all the replies. garyowen
garyowen ,
Just out of curiousity who were you asked by to see what would make things more enjoyable for all ?
I do agree about positive feed back being better then negative in general but what I'm afraid that the reality of this and most open forums is just that , they are open to all right and wrong smart and dumb .
Most here really do not have personal agendas , but every now and then even the most civil Knotheads feels it may be time to call a spade a spade .
regards , dusty
Hi Dusty, I was invited in asked for my input by Westchester. I do agree that opinions and answers, are as varied as those who give them. I have also noticed many members here have welcomed me in and have agreed to some of the points I have made as far as being positive in your replies. I do believe that I have not called any member of this forum dumb!, or have pointed out any individual is smarter than any one else, and have been quick to point out my shortcomings. You asked what my specialty is earlier, and I forgot to answer that part, so I will do it here, NOTHING!!, other than wanting to be a better woodworker, getting better end results, and less firewood, in the process, I love woodworking and always wanted to be a furniture maker, that will never happen today as the world has lost the desire, or willingness to give people a chance to prove themselves. So I make my tables, bookcases, and other items I need for my home and enjoy looking at them. I hope that explains some of your questions, again thanks for the reply. garyowen
Gary , Your desire to learn is all that is needed .
Try and not let the worlds desire dictate your potential to become proficient at your craft .
I have never turned down a person who wanted to learn .
Somewhere along the line in readings long after my apprenticeship I bought into the obligation to share and teach as many as wanted to learn .
The unending supply of answers and opinions and knowledge and wise cracks freely given by so many truly qualified folks is to be valued individually by those who seek knowledge .
Including myself we are here to help you just don't get too involved with what you find to be negative .
I guess what I'm trying to say is if I wanted to learn like you , my advice from a poster that has been around this forum a few years would be to , pay more attention to the advice then anything else . We all have opinions and you never know what will pop out round here.
regards , dusty,boxmaker
Hay Dusty, As I pointed out to Will George, I will listen to all the advice and take from that what I can use, secondly I will give advice on any subject I am comfortable with, and will try to make it as clear as I can, and as safe as I can. I will not be insulted, or goaded in to negative comments as they are by nature destructive!, and we are making small steps forward!, and that is what I and many folks here want. As I pointed out earlier I have no problem with poking each other with a sharp stick to a rise out of them. So dispense your wisdom, techniques, and desire to teach, as I look forward to learning more, if the advise I give is questionable help me to prevent it from reoccurring, or help me to state it clearer, so that I may be of some help also. Again Thanks To All who taken the time to respond to me and have made me feel welcome here.(P.S.) Just checked back on your post, you are speaking, to a square peg, in a round world, and I have always been that way. !!!. garyowen
All I can say is that my wife was very, very special to me.
Hello my friend,I have been waiting to hear from you,I hope you read my responce to you, and took it as intended?, no worries, just one of those days. Give a shout when ever you feel like it. garyowen
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