I sprayed and rubbed out 3 coats of Enduro Satin on a 14′ mantel yesterday and my shoulder is killing me. I used the 3m Micropads, followed by maroon and white Scothbrite. Today I’m thinking about trying Abralon next time around. Woodworkers supply recommends #1000 followed by #2000 on a 6″ interface pad for use on a 5″ RO. Anybody try this? Wet or dry? If dry does the vac suck through the interface pad or do you punch holes to match the sander? If wet are they really advocating mixing water with an electric sander? How damp is damp enough?
Also what about swirls? I found that the added weight of a contour pad on my Makita RO was more than the pad break could handle and so had to very careful with the landings and takeoffs.
John O’Connell – JKO Handcrafted Woodworking
The more things change …
We trained hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form up into teams, we would be reorganized. I was to learn later in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing; and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress while producing confusion, inefficiency, and demoralization.
Petronious Arbiter, 210 BC
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John --
I used to use Enduro, but found that I couldn't eliminate orange peel from it. (I use a three-stage Accuspray HVLP.) The orange peel lead to lots of bad language and lots of rubbing out. I've switched to Oxford Conversion Varnish, which is also waterborne. It goes on much more smoothly. It is available from Homestead Finishing (http://www.homesteadfinishing.com/index.htm).
Jamie
So this stuff is really good enough "straight from the gun" for Architectural work? What about furniture? I was using an Accuspray w/ a 1 stage turbine and had very little to rub out on the loose pieces I sprayed outside. The mantel shelf itself was pre-installed so I sprayed it in place and had most of trouble in the corners from bounceback. This was the first time I'd tried the Enduro laq, I've used a lot of their poly in the past. Maybe I'll give it a try if I can find a local source. That's the nice thing about Enduro, I can get it at Austin Lumber in Santa Ana Mon-Sat or drive to Compliant in San Clemente in an hour and get it Mon-Fri. So I'm only screwed if I run out on Sunday.John O'Connell - JKO Handcrafted Woodworking
The more things change ...
We trained hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form up into teams, we would be reorganized. I was to learn later in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing; and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress while producing confusion, inefficiency, and demoralization.
Petronious Arbiter, 210 BC
I use the 3M white scotchbrite pad on my RO, mist the surface with a water botte. & buff it out, then move up to the 4000 grit abralonpad. When I do this, I remove the DC bag/acy's & haven't had any problem with my Bosch RO, if you are concerned, place a disc rotated covering the holes on the pad, the sandpaper will hold the abralon/scotchbrite pad. I use Enduro as well, but with a conversion HVLP gun and have had excellent results. I also like the fact that I can get Enduro locally at Compliant or TH&H or Austin. You should be able to get the Abralon pads at Austin Hardwoods. I bought a combo pack of 1000/2000 from an auto paint supplier locally, 20 pads for $45.
TH&H isn't excatly local for me in Fountain Valley. Where in SoCal are you? Now that the mantel is done I have 2 sofa back tables, 4 end tables and equipment cabinet/rack to build to complete the living room makeover. The cool part is the mantel is hollow and "supported" by 4 faux columns with removable faces so all the cabling will be hidden. Then I get to buy the big plasma and hang it over the fireplace. Hopefully all before the playoffs.John O'Connell - JKO Handcrafted Woodworking
The more things change ...
We trained hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form up into teams, we would be reorganized. I was to learn later in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing; and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress while producing confusion, inefficiency, and demoralization.
Petronious Arbiter, 210 BC
I'm in Temecula, so Austin, TH&H, and Compliant are about the same distance from me. I usually have the material shipped direct from CSS.
Do yo have any pics of your mantel? Any plans to wrap the plasma screen with a frame?
No pix yet, but will take some and post in the gallery.
Haven't thought about wrapping the plasma in wood yet, but the wife commented last night that she heard of one that could be or was framed. We'll have to see. My priorities are 1218i HD, 3000:1 contrast ratio and upwards of 30,000 hrs display life. But I must give her credit, the whole makeover was rooted in her desire to have new furniture and mine to have correct speaker placement for the 5.1 surround setup, hence the need for the plasma on the wall.
On a related note she's still sore at me that I bought a 6 piece NHT speaker system a couple of years ago instead of those cute little Bose cubes. The NHT's are gloss black, almost a piano finish, but laminate. I'm thinking about veneering them in something fairly blond and exotic like lacewood, silky oak or quilted maple and changing the cloth to something along the lines of natural linen.John O'Connell - JKO Handcrafted Woodworking
The more things change ...
We trained hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form up into teams, we would be reorganized. I was to learn later in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing; and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress while producing confusion, inefficiency, and demoralization.
Petronious Arbiter, 210 BC
I have had success using Abralon pads on Target water based lacquer. I waited until fully cured, and worked my way from 600 through the finest Abralon pad I have (4000?). I ended up with a semi-gloss finish. I just have a 5" DeWalt RO sander, which I attached the pads directly to. I used a spray bottle to keep the surface moist - I believe it just needs to be wet enough to keep the pad spinning freely. It did not seem too wet for comfort with the electric sander. It was, though, just wet enough to spray around a little, so wear an apron.
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