Just a reminder to everyone that Knots has an off-topic discussion folder called Woodworker’s Cafe, where we host discussions on things other than woodworking (ie. politics, music, etc..).
You have to opt-in to access this folder. If you would like to be added to the opt-in list please reply to this post and Sysop will sign you up.
Edited 1/30/2006 10:19 am ET by SYSOP
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What the hey, sign me up.
All set. The cafe will now show up in the list of folders on the left hand side of your page. Questions/problems please let me know. -M
Just to be more specific:
The cafe will now show up in the list of folders on the left hand side of your page in the General forum. <g>forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-) Do unto others as you tell them they should do unto you....
That is correct, in the general forum. Soon to be the Main forum... -M
Please sign me up! Thanks.
I'd like to see what all the fuss is about
Please to sign me up also
Sure, I'd like to check it out, please. Thanks.
All set with Access. -Mark
can i please have access
thank you
All set. -M
Please sign me up.
Me to please!
hm
If it's anything like the Woodshed at BT, I'm in ;)
Sign me up please...
PaulB
Hey Paul,
Was emailing your brother Doug recently about our high school reunion thats coming up. Boy is that bringing back some crazy memories. -Mark
I can only imagine Douglas in High School...
;)
PaulB
Yes he was ummhhh lots of fun!
I give. Sign me up, please.
entry requested please.
Oh, my, this is verging on entertaining.(signed) Splinter "Pro" groupie, who prefers ranting with my mates about Russian oil reserves in my off hours to figuring out what to do with my extra sawdust. And i would still bear Mark Roderick's children. Richard, you want to send the Bushmills down my way? I want to see how it interacts with the tetracycline.
Hi
I would like to get the woodworkers cafe. thank you.
Have a nice day Lee
Count me in please.
All of the above should now have access. -Mark
OK - I give. Part of me is just annoyed by the bickering, but the other part of me is fascinated the train wreck that some of these conversations become. Go ahead and let me into the Cafe, please. Thanks!
The Caif is pretty much as dead as a dodo nowadays, and has been for a year or so since there was a management clearout of the political heavy hitters-- okay, lite political handbag swingers.
It's nowhere near as interesting a place as the Tavern over at BT, and never has been really but, there is at the moment-- for all those that are just gagging to know and can't get in-- a bit of the mildest eye poking with limp celery sticks I've ever witnessed going on. Slainte.Richard Jones Furniture
"for a year or so since there was a management clearout of the political heavy hitters" Huh? I got the impression they just faded away when the Cafe was no longer able to be front-and-center in the left-hand column. How many left? Were they really kicked off by mgt? forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-) Do unto others as you tell them they should do unto you....
I couldn't say if they were kicked off fg, or if they were simply discouraged from posting. They certainly left anyway, and Knots as a whole is less interesting for me.
Interestingly I think BT's Tavern is still going pretty strong, but I guess the difference is that BT probably has a far higher proportion of professional/working builders than Knots has professional/working furniture designers and makers. Like any bunch of pros that get together after work for beer and chat they like to talk about other things than their work, such as politics, sport, family, etc..
Here I'd guess 95% or so of Knots users are amateurs, so talking about woodworking falls largely into the category of things you talk about when you're not at work. When I finish work I like to mostly engage myself in my hobbies and social activities like everyone else to get a break, although I do sometimes give opinions and help where I can on furniture design and making subjects-- here at Knots for example. Slainte.Richard Jones Furniture
you are right about the place being dead.....wow ,all these folks ask for access, but few participate....hmm. maybe they don't know where it is?I started with Knots when I first signed on about two years ago,and migrated over to BT, but would wander back in here from time to time. and found less to learn and more of the ....what kind of router, jig, saw, glue, questions Someone suggested that the regulars just got tired of the same ????s .... also, I thought some of the old Cafe topics got quite intense, but that all seems to be gone now as well
"since there was a management clearout of the political heavy hitters" -- hmmmm, I thought maybe you had some inside info on this.
"I couldn't say if they were kicked off fg, or if they were simply discouraged from posting." If they were discouraged, I suspect it was because the cafe was no longer front-and-center, and not because of something said or done by SysOp. Indeed, those who truly facilitated and enjoyed the raucousness of the old-time cafe discussions were never so easily disuaded, as far as I can remember, and would have utilized any disciplinary attempts as additional ammunition, LOL.
One thing to remember (sadly) is that two of the prime contributors to political discussions and the like are lost to us forever.
Of the 4 forums (WWing and non-WWing) that I've participated in over the past 6-7 years, FWW and BT have by far the most permissive and hands-off approach to member behavior. forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-) Do unto others as you tell them they should do unto you....
No particular insights fg. Merely speculation.It's true that a couple of regular political sluggers died, but there were still plenty of others that like to debate the latest hot politics, as well as add bits to the woodworking sections.
I used to get involved slightly, but there's been nothing very controversial in the Cafe for a long time. I agree that Taunton are pretty laid back about the censorship thing, or at least seem to be compared to many forums, not that I visit many really. Slainte.Richard Jones Furniture
All of the above should have access to the Cafe. -Mark
Please put me on the Cafe access list.
Please let me join in.Thank youRon
Let me in! let me in!
Mike
Let me in. My mind wanders too much to stay on topic anyw... hey look: a blue car!
Umberto Eco, The Island of the Day Before
Please add me, I think I may have a post that migrated that way.
sign me up
Sign me up, please.
Alan - planesaw
Sounds like a good thing to me. Pat
Hey. What about me?
Sign me up.
All of the above should now have access. -Mark
please, pretty please sign me up
All set. -M
I'd like to be added to the cafe list as well, please. Thanks!My goal is for my work to outlast me. Expect my joinery to get simpler as time goes by.
All of the above should now have access. -Mark
May I have access as well?
Wooddust, you'll need to go to the new "Access" thread and request access from MattB:
http://forums.taunton.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=fw-knots&msg=33858.1forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Not sure what's going on here... it looks to me like you HAVE access, as you read and posted in the Cafe. :)My goal is for my work to outlast me. Expect my joinery to get simpler as time goes by.
Too funny, I missed that! Doh! Hey, John, when did you joint admin? (that's a joke, folks)
forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Edited 2/21/2006 10:55 pm by forestgirl
I think the Off Topic is interesting. Please add me.
Please sign me up. Thanks.
Just a reminder to everyone that Knots has an off-topic discussion folder called Woodworker's Cafe, where we host discussions on things other than woodworking (ie. politics, music, etc..).
You have to opt-in to access this folder. If you would like to be added to the opt-in list please reply to this post and Sysop will sign you up.
Youre in... -M
I would really be curious to know what percentage of Knots users have signed up for the Cafe.
The idea was that most Knots users were so delicate, so sensitive, that they needed extra protection from the brutes in the Cafe lest they mistakenly click on a discussion and faint at their computers, bruising their foreheads on the keyboard.
So it would be interesting to know how many have signed up, as a percentage.
And all who have signed up, looking for a little excitement, to be cruelly disappointed.
Mark,
I don't have any stats on how many users have asked for access to the Cafe. I suppose that I could do some research but at best it would be a rough estimate. We display the active discussions from Knots in a variety of places on our website and what was happening is that a majority of the recent threads where non woodworking related. Considering that we are trying to drive traffic to our forums, for folks to discuss woodworking this seamed counter to our goals. It really had nothing to do with users being to sensitive to the discussions that where happening. -Mark
"It really had nothing to do with users being to sensitive to the discussions that were happening."
Either (1) that's corporate double-speak, or (2) you were not around when the Cafe was originally declared off-limits.
Those of us who were around remember very clearly the reasons for the change. A group of the over-sensitive, milque-toast crowd, led by their bossy mother hen, complained and complained and complained to management about the riotous behavior taking place in the Cafe. It was at once so horrendous, yet so difficult to stay away from! Their demand was that the perpetrators be permanently exiled from Knots lest they frighten away other quivering souls. To its credit, management did not fully give in to their demands, but instead created the current "compromise," where a high wall surrounds the Cafe and entry is by invitation only.
The whole thing was and is totally absurd, and has had the predictable effect of making Knots a less appealing place for the less-timid to hang out. At the time this was thought necessary, the assumption being that woodworkers are generally squeamish and suffer anxiety if exposed to anything more substantial than doggies and kittycats and Grizzly part numbers.
That's much as I recall it too Mark, although I've been getting a bit of mild working over in this thread to try and remember it being otherwise. You were a regular contributor there at one time, and I was always mostly a lurker and a sometimes in and out hit-and-run merchant.
The Cafe was always light when it came to slugfests anyway compared to the Tavern next door. Nowadays there's seldom anything attention grabbing in there unless you count yawn inducing occasional pictures of cutesy dogs and cats, news about someones leaving do, or a partners operation for removal of a verruca as interesting, ha, ha.
I can certainly understand the management decision to root the Cafe at the foot of all the folders, with subjects under discussion there not appearing in the most recent active discussions list that appears when you get into the forum.
I never did understand all the wussies and girls blouses that complained about the small amount of off-topic stuff, but then I'm a world weary cynical old git that assumes as a matter of course that every politician is on the take somehow, and starts lying as soon as the lips start moving.
I got the impression at the time of the Cafe clear out that those that whined the most were the type that felt forced to read every single post in full to the bitter end working themselves up into a lather of righteous indignation and horror because they chose to click on it. Jings if I click on a topic (even a woodworking one) that's of no interest I simply click on the next one that catches my eye and move right along-- easy-peasy, lemon-squeezy. Slainte.Richard Jones Furniture
For those who crave ancient history, here's a link to Sysop's original announcement
In my browsing, it was interesting to note
The membership seemed to fall into 2 distinct camps: (a) those who wanted a knock-down/drag-out place to enjoy the action and (b) those who wanted off-topic discussions to at least approach some level of civility.
Tom and I publicly predicted that the Cafe would be dominated by Group A. I still think it's pretty funny that Group A pretty much disappeared when the Cafe no longer leapt to the top of the folder list every time someone posted. There really was no reason things couldn't go on as before.
My assumption at the time was (quoting myself): "the 'registration requirement' for the Cafe was instituted to protect those who couldn't figure out how to use the Ignore button." Although the permanent relegation of the Cafe to the bottom of the forum list didn't bother me, I really did disagree with the action of making it a limited-access folder. Given the number of times I publically encouraged disgruntled members to engage the Ignore feature, it's really hard for me to understand how certain people come to the conclusion that I supported, let alone instigated, any change in the way the Cafe was structured.
forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Edited 2/2/2006 6:01 pm by forestgirl
Taking a wild guess... I would say it is/was your high and mighty attitude. You have an answer for darn near everything, say you are not a professional but have done everything. I find it interesting your comments on saw blades, don't you have a contractors table saw? You know more about blades that cost as much as your saw did. As for your helpful assistance....it is more blabber or quotes from mags, as I see it.
And how did you think you are the Mother Hen? Shoe fit? I did not see your name in his post.
Hey Mark,
Have you ever been over to the FineWoodworking Network community page? What you see on that page and throughout the whole site is a feature of Prospero that we use called Active Content. Active content is where current discussions are pulled from the forum and displayed directly on the website.
By putting the Cafe behind a wall it removed any of the non woodworking discussions from active content. I find it interesting that the perception of the user base is that we did this to satisfy some of the more vocal users. We did it so that all the subscribers would see is woodworking related discussions. -Mark
"led by their bossy mother hen, complained and complained and complained to management " OK Mark, it's not hard to figure out you're referring to me in that statement, and it p.$.sses me off. Not because you called me a mother hen, but becuase you're making things up out of thin air. Jeez Louise. I never, ever complained to SysOp about the Cafe, and I didn't particulary support the idea of it being a limited access folder. I've always been a strong supporter of the Ignore option.
There is one user I can remember for sure who contacted SysOp -- he [he] made a huge fuss over the Cafe. It wasn't me! When I had a complaint about the behavior in the Cafe, I took it to the forum, not to SysOp. I had my opinion about the effect some of that behavior was having on the boards here, and I expressed it. I wasn't alone, although we were probably outnumbered.
You might want to get your facts straight next time you mouth off.
forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Edited 2/2/2006 3:33 pm by forestgirl
I was here at that time too, and if you're pointing the finger at FG, I think you are all wet --- and wrong.I always felt -- right or wrong -- that it was Alan Mikkelsen who led this particular charge (to banish the Cafe). He's the ex-pol who left D.C. for the wilds of Montana, because (he said) he wanted to get away from politics. And now that he was into wwing (remember all the pics of his shop?), he was adamant that there should be no politics mixed in with his new-found interest. Anyway, if the search function was better, I could look up the thread I believe he started, arguing that the Cafe ought to be thrown out of the forum. As an aside, it is interesting that Sysop/Mark only now explains -- in clear English -- why Taunton chose to hide the Cafe behind a curtain. And the reason he gives seems entirely plausible from a strictly business perspective. If someone from Taunton had offered this explanation from the git-go, I think it would have saved a lot of sturm and drang -- and teeth gnashing.But as I think more about it, perhaps Mark's present explanation is ONLY possible with hindsight. That is, once AM got the ball rolling, I remember being surprised there were so many who joined the argument to agree they did not want to mix politics with the wwing stuff. And like you, I was irritated that such people could not or would not exercise the simple expedient of passing by the offending posts/threads.So, when Taunton came to realize there were large numbers of forum users that shared AM's point of view, only then did they come up with the idea it would be prudent to hide the Cafe. But he doesn't say why they could not simply delete nonwwing threads when they wanted to feature "...... the active discussions from Knots in a variety of places on our website." (33776.51) Lord knows, they certainly don't hesitate to delete posts and threads in the forum itself.How does all this square with your recollection?********************************************************
"It is what we learn after we think we know it all, that counts."
John Wooden 1910-
Yep, it was Alan -- his posts were numerous and extensive.forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Hi All:
Here you go, spent about 15 minutes grabbing some of the titles from about the time of the change, so that you can get a flavour of the place at the time of the change.
The original post (MkII)http://forums.taunton.com/tp-knots/messages?msg=22436.1
http://forums.taunton.com/tp-knots/messages?msg=22357.1
http://forums.taunton.com/tp-knots/messages?msg=22010.1
http://forums.taunton.com/tp-knots/messages?msg=22165.1
http://forums.taunton.com/tp-knots/messages?msg=22039.1
Cheers,
eddie
All of the above that have asked for access should now have it. -M
Sign me up for Cafe please.
Thanks
NikkiWood,
Part of the issue of why we didn't explain the details is becase we knew it was the New Network that we where going to be promoting these discussions on. At the time we where not doing any kind of discussion promotion. The Network was still months away from completion and therefore to try and throw that in the mix, well the waters where muddy enough...
Nonetheless, Mark, I think you people need to loosen up some, and be more forthcoming about why you do what you do. Justin Fink at Breaktime makes this effort, and he has Andy Engel (ex-BT moderator, now a private citizen) to back him up and further elaborate. Their explanations diffuse what could easily become a volatile issue, and they keep everybody from jumping to unfounded conclusions. From this end, it really does seem like the prevailing moderator/censor attitude at Knots is "it's our house and we can do what we please, and we don't have to justify our actions to anybody." I know you and Matt would wince at this -- untrue, gross exaggeration, etc. But judging some of your actions on this end of the connection, that's the way it seems. I sense that the decision makers at Taunton regard these forums as money losers. And they have brought Berger in to find ways to make the operation pay. In ten years time I would speculate that the online part of Taunton will be the biggest money maker for the corporation. The problem is, no one right now knows how that will come about. So as you are moving through this period, I would argue that you need to govern judiciously and with insight. We (i.e. Knots participants) are your customers who even now buy the books, the mags, etc. And through Taunton's sponsorship, we have come together in this online community, and you must carefully nurture and develop the community if it is to become a financially vital part of the corporation.********************************************************
"It is what we learn after we think we know it all, that counts."
John Wooden 1910-
Hello Nikkiwood,
You raise some very important points and ones that we struggle with all the time. The balance between doing what is best for the community and doing what is best for Taunton can be a fine line sometimes. This new subscription website is very young still and we are going through some growing pains with it as you can see, but moderating a forum that is part of a for pay site is slightly different than moderating say a forum like breaktime. Yes Andy was the best moderator that Taunton ever had and it was a shame to see him go. I wish I could somehow keep him on the payroll but that is not possible. I am still in contact with him on a regular basis and he is most gracious with dispensing his experiences and opinions about existing situations. My role is that of forum admin, for all of the forums not just Knots. I try and stay out of the moderator role as much as possible. When the new Knots came to life, with the launch of the network, I was forced to take on a more mod like role. Matt and I both work hard at walking that fine line of what is good for you all and what is best for Taunton. It is a tricky and sometimes slippery slope to try and traverse. Just like over at Breaktime, rarely does a mod take action on a thread or a user without consulting with the bigger group. I hope this helps to explain further but as always if you have questions, please ask. -Mark
So now that you got my email notification problem solved, I am cruising down the list, and find this thoughtful reply from you to comments I made earlier in the thread. And then I move on to the next email notification, and see it is a reply from Matthew Schenker to me in the Cafe thread, "Another Post Bites the Dust":http://forums.taunton.com/fw-Knots/messages?msg=33787.53But his post and the entire thread is gone.I wish there was some way I could convince you and Berger how harmful these kinds of actions are in the governance of the Knots community. No matter how rancorous the discussions might be, they are harmless and inconsequential exchanges. And they are hidden from "public" view by the barrier you have built around the Cafe.If Schenker's post (and the thread content) was simply irritating to you (plural), then shame on you for deleting it. On the other hand, if there was some deeper reason why you felt it was necessary to expunge it, then I think you owe us an explanation of why you believe it was the best thing to do from Taunton's point of view.I realize neither of you have the time nor the taste for endless debates about your actions. But a simple statement will do, as long as you are willing to let the community vent its reactions. If you want Knots to be a vital community of people sharing an interest in wwing, you just have to loosen up on your efforts to control the discussion of nonwwing topics. ********************************************************
"It is what we learn after we think we know it all, that counts."
John Wooden 1910-
Hello NikkiWood,
I am all for debates between users, even heated ones as long as they don't turn into user to user bashing, which is exactly what has happened. I would even welcome a heated political debate as long as the discussion doesn't turn into a knock down drag em out battle between to users.
Yes we have deleted several threads in the past day and we will continue to do so if the discussions continue to dissolve into name calling, user bashing threads.
We do realize that debates are what help to shape and form a community, especially Knots. To moderate a forum like this takes lots of time and energy and the road we as Mods travel is often a difficult and tricky one to navigate but we try sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.
So debate away but keep it clean and the threads will stay. -Mark
Your party, not mine, but FWIW I think you guys show excellent restraint. I think this forum is a great way for you to support the community that supports you.
Thanks!My goal is for my work to outlast me. Expect my joinery to get simpler as time goes by.
Here is a typical forestgirl post vis-a-vis the Cafe:
I'm not disagreeing at all that there's a problem needing to be solved. My argument is against the solution -- Personally, I think they should lock the vitriolic threads, and kick off the boards consistently rude, disruptive posters whose main, or even sole, contribution to Knots is to pretty much alienate the vast majority of members, sometimes even driving them out o' here, and certainly not making the place attractive to new visitors who come here to talk woodworking and make some on-line friends.
Summarized, our kind-hearted forestgirl was asking management to (1) STOP the threads she didn't like, and (2) EXPEL the posters from Knots.
She thereby advocated a much harsher, much more intolerant solution than management ultimately implemented. Her attempt to censor, to sanitize and suppress, says everything one might need to know.
Whether forestgirl corresponded privately with the sysop or made her views known publicly is irrelevant in the context of the current discussion. The fact is that she complained and complained and complained and tried to censor discussions and expel other Knots users. This being the case, I'm feeling pretty dry in terms of the accuracy of my recollection.
And I still stand by that solution -- for the people (and their statements) that are so far off the charts of civility that they do damage to the community of Knots. As has been mentioned to you before, Mark, by other people long ago, you're playing in someone else's house here (Taunton's), and they have a right to expect some level of civility. I know this is a message you simply will not hear, because you belong to an extremely small minority that believe they should be able to say absolutely anything, in any manner whatsoever, and Taunton should simply put up with you, irregardless of what the turmoil might be doing to their forums.
Those who were not around during the elections and the build-up to the war have absolutely no idea how bad it got around here. Don't mischaracterise me as being intolerant of other people's views -- I am not. But I do lose patience when the whole place gets torn apart by such severe vitriole that it loses its mission as a place for woodworkers to gather.
[an aside: pretty funny that in your first response to the change, you blamed it immediately upon "conservatives" -- now I know you don't know a damn thing about me, ROFL Also, it's amazing you don't remember Alan Mikkelsen -- you had quite an exchange with him when he went off the deep end about the Cafe. If you read through that thread, you'll find that I kept beating the Ignore Button idea to death. He simply didn't want that option, I guess]forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
"As has been mentioned to you before, Mark, by other people long ago, you're playing in someone else's house here (Taunton's), and they have a right to expect some level of civility. I know this is a message you simply will not hear, because you belong to an extremely small minority that believe they should be able to say absolutely anything, in any manner whatsoever, and Taunton should simply put up with you, irregardless of what the turmoil might be doing to their forums."
I could quote from my own posts, one after another after another, to the effect that this is Taunton's sandbox and they can do whatever they want with it, up to and excluding me or you or anyone else. Perhaps you have not gone to the trouble of reading actual posts, as I did, before pushing the Post button.
I know you've read my posts and that you're not a dumb person. The reason that you can nevertheless make the accusations above goes to the heart of why many find your contributions so obnxious. Simply put, you appear unable to distinguish between yourself and Taunton. When you say that "Taunton has a right to expect. . . ." what you really mean is "I have a right to expect." When you refer to "their forums" you really mean "my forums."
Doesn't it strike you as odd that you would be pounding and pounding and pounding about Mark Roderick's relationship with Taunton, how Mark Roderick is ruining Taunton's forum, when Taunton itself has never complained about Mark Roderick, has never deleted or edited a single one of his posts, has never uttered a single objection?
Why could this be, Jamie? Is Taunton off-base here, do they just not understand? Think about that.
Where is the "turmoil" you complain of? Is it really in the forums? Or is it in your mind, a result of an ultra-controlling personality faced with something it cannot control?
The reality is, my dear, that you have issues vis-a-vis the Knots forum. You use the pronoun "we" to refer to Knots. You welcome each new member personally, as if you were inviting them into your home. You advise members where their posts should be placed, how they should sound, what they should do and not do, what they should say and not say. You grow irritated with Taunton when a function does not operate as you would like (forgetting that it really is their forum). You try to stop discussions that displease you, eliminate members whose voices or opinions about Grizzly you don't like.
I can tell you, your sense of ownership, your sense of territorialness, about Knots is a pretty bizarre thing and one I bet you aren't even aware of. If you've been wondering why people snipe at you, that's the reason. You act as if you rather than Taunton were the owner of the forum and it's pretty annoying, especially when you're a guy and just looking for someplace interesting to hang out. It's also what led you to make the dumb statements above.
Knots is an internet site, Jamie. It's not your kitchen or drawing room. You will save yourself all kinds of anxiety if you can come to understand that and not try to control Knots or its users the way you may control (or at least believe you control) other aspects of your life.
I don't have any sense of ownership of the forums. They are Taunton's. I do have opinions about civil behavior. The turmoil of which I speak was noticed by quite a few people, so don't try to lay it solely on my perception. And at its extreme it certainly had adverse effects on Knots.
If you can't handle me being a welcoming and helpful person, then put me on Ignore. It's such a simple thing. Other people welcome the new arrivals, here and at other forums -- it's a standard courtesy. I'm rarely the first person to post a welcome when a new member introduces him/her-self.
Enjoy your life, Mark. forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
I totally agree with Mark....you are unable to see the bore you are. So selfcentered you make a person sick. There is no sense trying to talk with someone like you as you are only capable of seeing one version, your own. You pound that ignore button to the ground, do you ever use it? I see you keep responding to people as Mark and constantly try to impress upon him "The Button".
I had to laugh when you told that individual who was unhappy with a wwing school or community college he enrolled in how he should report it to the principal, paraphrasing here. If you could open your eyes and see you think you have to be the center of attention....then again, maybe that is why our country is so great, we have people like you and Cindy Sheehan.
Edited 2/3/2006 10:57 pm ET by Vietvet67
Edited 2/3/2006 10:58 pm ET by Vietvet67
Edited 2/4/2006 12:05 am ET by Vietvet67
Sorry, I just got up off the ground and the fits of laughter are done now.You wrote this: "I don't have any sense of ownership of the forums."Excuse me, I'm having another fit of laughter...Not only do you feel ownership of Taunton, but you also have the same ownership about specific companies, whether you like or dislike them. And you often develop this ownership without any actual experience with the company, or after very limited experience. You throw around expert-sounding opinions about all kinds of companies while artfully muddying the waters about whether you've actually owned and used their tools. Anyone who doubts what I'm saying, just look back through any number of Forestgirl's "tool" messages.Anyone who criticizes you is reprimanded (or worse) offline by SYSOP. But you can criticize anyone you want, seemingly without consequence. For this reason, I can sympathize with your delusion that this is actually your forum.You probably have me on "ignore" and won't see this. I do find it interesting that you choose to shut your eyes tight against any criticism.
So, do you remember the story about the two blind men and the elephant?I thought about that as I read your diatribe about FG. You and I have probably read the same number of posts from her, yet my perception is diametrically opposed to yours. I think she is friendly, helpful, and a walking library of information about what goes on around here. In my view, Knots would not be the same without her presence. She is one of those I have encountered during my time at Knots who I would really like to have as a friend in real life. And you? For sure, but I would probably spend all my time with you asking "why'd you say that?"********************************************************
"It is what we learn after we think we know it all, that counts."
John Wooden 1910-
i'd like in
please let me in also
Sign me up please,
Please sign me up. Thanks!
Could I get access.
Thanks much
please sign me up too
All of the above should now have access. -M
Well, all right. Since everyone else is jumping on the bandwagon. . .I request that I, too, be granted access to the Cafe.
I'd like access. Thanks
i would like access, please.
Please add me. Thanks
All of the above should now have access. -Mark
Sign me up please.
Thanks.
Put me in, coach! Thanks.
Please sign me up. Thanks.
Please add me to the cafe list.
Me too, please.
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It's only satisfying if you eat it.
Hi, please sign Me up for the cafe. Thanks J Gese
I would like access also.
Thanks.
Please sign me up.
Entrance, please!
All Set... -M
Please sign me up.
Thanks
Sign up request to the cafe pls..
Thanks..
Hi. I requested access to this on Friday, but I don't see where or how I can actually go to the Cafe. How do you access it.
Thanks
Jeff
Open sesame!
I would like to be added. Thanks!
please sign me up and let the fun begin LOL
Please sign me up. Thank you.
Knock, knock. Hellooooooooo?
Andy
"It seemed like a good idea at the time"
OK, I have been off it for several months-- let's see what I've missed. Sign me up.. Thanks
me to please
sign me up ----lupo
Access to the Cafe from within the Cafe you ask? Yes I moved the thread in here as it was becoming difficult to keep track of the real purpose of the discussion, asking for access to the Cafe. I have started a new one in the general folder, please keep that discussion on track.
Thanks - M
well.....this certainly LOOKS like a Catch-22.......wadda rollercoaster ride this has turned out to be......woohoo
Wouldn't be (such a roller coaster), if they just stopped deleting threads.********************************************************
"It is what we learn after we think we know it all, that counts."
John Wooden 1910-
the funny part was trying to keep track of myself in those threads......
please sign me in .
new forum looks good. regards Teabag.
Me too, please.....
Gary W
gwwoodworking.com
I would like acsess also
I would also like access.
Woodworker3301
Sign me up please
OK, this is really confusing. Here are all these posts in the Cafe asking for access to the cafe! Kinda like standing in a phone booth hollerin' "Let me in! Let me in!" Has something changed?forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
What do you mean? I see it in the General Discussions folder ;)
SY....................room for another newbie?????????
Was that a bit of slight-of-hand?? Too funny.forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Add me to the list please.
YES...PLEASE Sign Me Up !!!!!
LET ME IN! LET ME IN! THANKS BOB
sign me up
All of the above should now have access to the Cafe.
I still can,t find my way into the "cafe" please help !!!!!!!
thanks Teabag.
Teabag,
I just stumbled upon this thread not sure why I wasn't notified. ANyway you should have access let me know if you don't.
-Mark
Edited 5/8/2006 10:06 am ET by SYSOP
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