Hello everyone,
I have the 800.512.11 three piece kitchen door set. I’ve used a few sets before so I think I am pretty competent in the set up of rail/stile sets, all the stock is jointed and planed. Out of the box this set fit very poorly. I I made stick and cope cuts over two 6 inch long pieces of maple. the fit was very loose with a lot of play. So I started adjusting the bits to fit better. I’ve never had to do this before but it seemed pretty straight forward. First I added shims to the stick cutter to thicken the tongue. After this the tongue fit great but there was a gap between the 1/4 round profiles. So I adjusted the cope profile to fix that. No problem the practice pieces fit perfect. So I proceed to make a door and when I cut the cope end on a rail there are slivers of wood left where the profiles dont over lap. This is hard to describe, so I’ll just hope you know what I mean. Is there a way to adjust for a perfect fit or does the cove/quarter round part have to have a gap to not leave those slivers of material.
As always thank yall for the help,
Mike
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mike ,
If it just leaves the slivers on some pieces but not all , there may be ever so slight discrepancies in thickness of the stock to begin with . Also sometimes a piece may not be perfectly flat or we apply more pressure and less on others . I also see a very thin sliver here and there . They have never caused a problem before . I'm thinking you are talking like a 64th or much less in thickness .If everything else is fitting and lined up good , then I would run with it .
good luck dusty
Thanks Dusty,
You are correct it is much less than a 64th, I didn't try to measure it. The slivers are perfectly on both sides of the 1/4 round profile, and happened every time.
Mikeplease excuse my spelling.
mike ,
As long as the tongue fits just right , and not too loose or too tight , all should be well. I just either snip them off with a razor knife or simply bend them back and break them off by hand .
dusty
Thanks again Dusty.
please excuse my spelling.
You must have more patience than I do. I think setting up rails and stile bits is a pain but once you have them fitting you are done. I always do my copes first. You can use a backer block that will take care of blow out and the bead cut will take care of the rest. If you do the copes last you will get the hairy edge and sometimes a big chip out.
Beat it to fit / Paint it to match
Hammer,
I'm not talking about setting up the cuts. I mean actually disasembling the bits and changing the spacers to fine tune the fit. I am pretty dissatisfied with the fit of this set from the factory.
Mikeplease excuse my spelling.
Mike,
Any chances of telling us who supplied the cutters, are these shaper or router?
Thank yall for the replies,
I see now that I am not the only one to have gone through this. They are CMT bits and came as a set. The fit out of the box was horrible. After my last posts I tried loosened of the cove / quarter round part and not I get very thin slivers as in the pics posted. I really wanted to find out if this proceedure is commonly necesaray or what?
Thanks again,
Mikeplease excuse my spelling.
mike ,
After really thinking about your problem , I would be sure that you can fix this if you are using shaper cutters with shims . Either the groove in the stile needs to get tighter by perhaps a shim , or the rails need to get thicker on the tongue a shim that may equal the thickness of the slivers that are being left .
good luck with the shims
dusty
Yes I know what you meant, I think. Setting up the shims is a pain because you have to do both in order to see how they will fit. If you don't have two router tables you have to keep changing bits. The Jesada set I was using today must have taken me four or five tries before I got them to match, the first time I used them. Once they were shimmed correctly, they have been good ever since, even after a few sharpenings. I tried to reason through them the first couple of times but that didn't work. I got out the directions and followed them. It still took a few tries. The bits don't come perfectly adjusted from the factory. I'm pleased with the way they fit after adjusting. I get just a bit of hair on the very tip of the bead. On the picture below there was some left because I didn't set the two bits exactly at the right height. My mic says I missed by.006 but that was my fault, not the bits.The cope and rail joint depends on glue so you need a great fit, if it is to last. I've set up four siders and double end tenoners but I think the cope and rail bits were more frustrating.Beat it to fit Paint it to match
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