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   Elcoholic | Apr 18, 2003 10:03pm | #1

   I believe they're 23 ga. and there's not many of them on the market.  A friend has an Airy (I think) and I have an Accuset (read "Senco Lite")  I would imagine Senco has one too for twice the price.  I haven't tried it yet but my experience so far suggests I could nail toothpicks together with it and not split 'em.  Since they're headless I mostly use them with glue.  The holes are so small they barely show.  One thing that amazes me to no end is that the Accuset doesn't have a safety.

   John O'Connell - JKO Handcrafted Woodworking

   Life is tough.  It's tougher if you're stupid - John Wayne

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   Turtleneck | Apr 19, 2003 04:29pm | #4

   I haven't been able to find a picture of the Accuset on the web. How small is the tip? Could I insert and nail the wooden strip between 5/16" dentils spaced 1/4" apart?  I believe that may be the reason for the lack of safety.  Turtleneck

   Its not a smile- its a cramp

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   alias | Apr 19, 2003 04:29am | #2

   just bought the omer 28 also a 23 gauge pinner the attachment is where i purchased mine . i bought it for half-round windows with spider web muntins. i started today with the shaping and mortising . and the fitting will start next week ....... anyhow i used this gun i purchased before on a set of barrister book cases window stop quarter sawn oak. and i really liked the it damn near invisible, and there was never a problem with it. i also used it nose and cove dentil individual nailed up 11/4" -3/4" both were around 11/4". respectively. there was lets see around 350 linear ft. of that.and it never gave us any problems. my thought is you get what you pay for and with miles of dentil. if there is a problem there always the guarantee .... so thats what i going on in my corner of the world... good luck in yours....cheers- bear

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   Turtleneck | Apr 19, 2003 04:48pm | #5

   I believe it was the Omar I saw a cabinet installer using a while back. Definately not a cheap tool, about the same price as a compressor. I know that the Omar has an incredibly small nail tip and is probably perfect for the job I'm looking at.

   The gadget side of me is saying, " It's perfect! Buy it!" but the business side of me is asking at $400 Cnd how much work will I have to do before this thing pays for itself and starts turning a profit.

   Thanks Bear Turtleneck

   Its not a smile- its a cramp

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   alias | Apr 19, 2003 04:56pm | #7

   hhhhmmm point taken.... i just look at it as an investment. and there were some threads over in breaktime, about 23 gauge pinners and the driving pins on all the portercables, accusets broke after moderate use.i'll try to dig up that thread for you.

   Edited 4/19/2003 9:58:25 AM ET by the bear

   Edited 4/19/2003 10:06:54 AM ET by the bear

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   alias | Apr 19, 2003 05:08pm | #8

   at least with the accuset to check amazons.com tool review they arent so great.......

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   Turtleneck | Apr 19, 2003 05:48pm | #9

   The Omar is probably the superior tool, now that I have 24ga out of my brain I'll do a search in Breaktime

   Thanks Turtleneck

   Its not a smile- its a cramp

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   Glendo | Apr 19, 2003 08:06am | #3

   I have the Accuset. I've used it for about two years and like it alot.I've had no miss-fires,jams or any other problems. The pins have a surprising amount of holding power and are nearly invisable.I originally bought it to install 3/16"by 3/16" glass stop on 120 window lights. I've found that I use it a lot more than I thought I would, and it's a reasonably cheep tool.

   Glendo

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   Turtleneck | Apr 19, 2003 04:56pm | #6

    I've been searching the web like crazy for 24ga and low and behold we're talking 23. I'm leaning towards the Accuset and am suprised that so few companies carry micro pinners.

   Thanks for the reply Glendo Turtleneck

   Its not a smile- its a cramp

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   garth | Apr 19, 2003 06:46pm | #10

   I have the Senco 23 ga pinner and have had serious jamming problems with it. I may be exaggerating but it seem that I get a jam about one out every 50 pins.

   Scott T.

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   alias | Apr 19, 2003 08:38pm | #11

   i.m.h.o. the pin has mushroomed or bent and has a tendency to jam... that i have personally witnessed. replacements are easily had and also replaced......bear

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   garth | Apr 20, 2003 07:52pm | #12

   Bear

   Thank you for the reply, I have replaced the pin, but have not used it enough since to see how it is going to hold up.

   Scott T.

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   AlanTurner | Apr 22, 2003 01:09am | #13

   IK bought the 23 ga. Senco Pin Nailer for some small molding where I felt I had no choice.  There is no safety since one needs to get the tip right to the surface, in tight places.  I like it, I think, but there are issues.  I shot rather smallish drawer stops (not what I bought it for) which were 1/4 x 1/4 x 1/2, of hard maple.  Shot 10, split only one.  Not bad, I thought.  Really, the pins were just little clamps for the glue to take.

   Then, I "slipped" a bit when taking some 1/2" pins out, and they got sideways in the head.  I tried to work them loose with a dental pick, very gently, and couldn't.  Then I tried to disassemble to remove them, and got a bit scared 1/2 way through, and since it was under warranty, took it in for a freebie, thinking I could watch the fellow fix it, and then I could just do it myself the next time.  Took a month to get it back, and the reair shop said that there were broken parts.  If so, they broke them.  And, of course, I couldn't watch, or even get any kind of an explanation as to what happened.  Long story, but if you do acquire one, be awfully careful installing and removing the strips.

   Also, you might want to be a bit careful with downward pressure on the tip as it will leave a mark under any kind of pressure. 

   With my swenco, there is no adjustment for countersink, and it just barely does it.  BYW, a very small $8 box of assorted lengths contained 2600 pins.  They are SMALL!.

   As to backfilling, try a drop of super glue, sand with 320 while wet, till dry, about 30 sec., and the sawdust has filled the pin hole and hardened, and is nearly invisible.  HTis last point is from Jeff Jewitt's book on finishing, and is quite handy.