To All:
Can anyone recommend an appropriate adhesive to use on band saw rubber tires?
Today I tried a spray adhesive but to no avail: the tire came off after a few minutes of use. When I originally removed the tires, they were adhered with adhesive which was strong enough to tear some of the rubber as I removed them, but I have no idea what was used. The manual was no help at all. I went looking for rubber cement at Lowe’s and they do not even carry it. Most adhesives I found became brittle after they cured and what I need is one which will remain flexible.
Any help would be greatly appreciated. This could not have come at a worse time. Life!
Thanks,
Phillip
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If you don't get a more bandsaw specific answer from someone, you might want to try an adhesive used for "tubular" bicycle tires. Aka "Sew-up" tires. It remains adhesive and flexible, though I don't know how it would deal with the heat.
That's a great idea!There is even a bicycle shop close by. I feel like this whole day has been wasted because of all this and the worst part of this is that I did not have to take the tires off in the first place. I was having problems with new blades and thought that it was my saw and not the blades. I need to put my head in a vise!Thanks for the great idea. I was very close to using GOOP but my better sense told me to have a cold one and think it over a bit. I am very glad I did just that. I have two band saw books and both of them skip over this bit of information. The most I got from one of them was "if the tires were glued in place, then use adhesive to glue down the new tires." That was it.Sir, you made my day. Now, I may be able to get some sleep.Thanks again,
Phillip
Cleveland Ed,Well, my search on the internet led me to the fact that a lot of bicyclists use a 3M product called 'Fast Tack Trim Adhesive' but I could not locate it anywhere. From the web I found http://www.biketiresdirect.com/productdetail.asp?p=3MFTB which had this to say:"3M Fast Tack 8031 Adhesive. Read any cycling forum about gluing sew-up tires and you'll see recommendations for 3M's 8031 Fast Tack adhesive. Orignally designed to hold automotive trim on cars, it holds your tires firmly yet doesn't damage the tires or rims when you need to remove them."This sounds like the perfect adhesive for band saw tires.After a 4 hour search in my area this morning, I found the following. Rubber Glue
This was hard to find but I did find a tube of it. This adhesive is made by DEVCON, is flexible and is claimed to result in a bond strength of 200 PSI.Xtreme Repair
The second adhesive I found is made by LOCTITE and it is called 'Xtreme Repair'. It is claimed to be a flexible, heat resistant bond. However, this adhesive is claimed to have a bond strength of 500 PSI.I must add that neither of these adhesives claim to be removable so I have ordered the 3M adhesive as well.My band saw is an INCA 710 which used to be distributed by Garrett-Wade but they no longer do this. I called them this morning and they could not recommend an adhesive either. Thanks again for your help.Phillip
How about silicone caulk? Sticks to everything and remains flexible? If you could apply it evenly enough, I bet you could eliminate the tires completely...Mark
Measure it with a micrometer, mark it with chalk, cut it with an ax.
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Mark,Not a bad idea. All of this makes me wonder what folks do about this when they have to replace their band saw tires. I never gave this a moments thought prior to this.At any rate, I did locate a distributor of 3M's Fast Tack Adhesive and it will be here tomorrow. It's amazing how such a simple task can become so difficult. Like I said in a prior post, I have two books devoted entirely to band saws and neither of them was any help in this regard. Oh, well, when that adhesive gets here tomorrow I may have found the solution to my dilemma. I will report back with the results so, hopefully, the next person who has a similar problem can be helped out by those who have read this post.Thanks again,
Phillip
Whatever you use, it sounds like if one thing doesn't work properly you will have no shortage of ideas for alternatives. I think it was Thomas Edison who responded to a question about failed attempts by saying that negative results are part of the process.
Five years or so ago, when I thought that I would keep working on improving my woodworking skills, one thing that I wanted to have someday was an Inca bandsaw. So precise a machine and so compact.
Ed,Nice to hear form you again. Yes, I have to say that of all my wood working power tools, its the INCA that always warms my heart. The INCA 710 was my first band saw and I was fortunate that I made a good choice. However, when you say compact you must be referring to to its smaller sibling the Model 340. Mark Duginske claims in his book 'The Band Saw Handbook', that "the Model 340 INCA is the best small band saw in the world". Mine is the 3-wheeled model and it cannot be called compact by any stretch of the imagination. It is, however, as precise a band saw as money can buy. The only gripe that I have with the 710 is that the roller-bearing guide assembly is not adequate when using smaller blades. I would much prefer to use Cool Blocks when using the smaller blades. Fortunately, most of my work is done with the Wood Slicer (1/2 inch blade) so this is not much of an issue with me. Moreover, this machine requires blades in length 104-1/4 inch and most blades being sold for this band saw are cut at 105 inches. Lee Valley is the exception: their blades are cut at 104-1/4 inches.I have been reading of late that most American wood workers are discovering the quality and value of European power tools which are making their way into many of our wood working catalogs. Most of us are aware that practically all of our power tools come from Taiwan or China where the emphasis is one low cost and not quality. You get what you pay for.Going back to the adhesive business, I want to again thank you for 'pointing' me in the right direction to find a solution. If you had not taken your time to make that post I believe that I would still be floundering about. Regards,
Phillip
LOCTITE..
Never used anything for bandsaw tires but we used all sorts of LOCTITE products...
We hardly ever had a problem using it for what the product was made for..
I would call them and aske what they have and where to get it sort of thing...
I always found them nice to work with... But then again it was a 500 company and we bought ALOT of LOCTITE!
First, contact your saw manufacturer to determine if the tires should be glued on. Most 14" tires are not glued. If you are using an aftermarket tire, then contact the seller for info.
Howie,I use an INCA 710 which is no longer available in the US of A. The manual says nothing about tires at all. The tires were glued down with a very tough adhesive but I was able to remove the tires without much tire loss at all.Fast forwarding ahead, I found what may be a very good adhesive for this. It is made by Loctite and is called 'Xtreme Repair' which is heat resistant and forms a flexible bond. Another poster suggested an adhesive used for bicycle tires but I was not able to find that anywhere in my area.I will post my results later.Thanks for your time.Phillip
The adhesive in Iturra Design's catalog is 3M Scotch-Grip 847 Rubber Adhesive. A "fast drying general purpose synthetic rubber adhesive with high strength and good heat resistance for bonding rubber to metal." They say testing has shown it to be better than 3M 1300, and that it can be easily removed with a "suitable solvent" when it's time to change tires again.
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Jamie,Thanks for the info. My 8031 adhesive came today so I'll probably give that a go. I never knew that there were so many adhesives which serve the same purpose, or so we think. If Iturra thinks that this 847 is a good adhesive for bonding tires to wheels, then it must be just that. I have made a note of this adhesive for future reference.thanks again.
Phillip
I hope the adhesive you got today works great for you. For future reference, and just for fun, you might want to call the Iturra's and request a catalog. There's some excellent info in there:1-800-722-7078email: [email protected] forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)Another proud member of the "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>)
I've used 3M 1300 for rubber band saw tires and it works fine. The leftover glue works well for all kinds of stuff too. You can get it at your local orange box store.Pete
Edited 6/16/2005 1:32 pm ET by BRADLEPC
I just posted the same question last week. I have Carter erathane tires and I contacted Carter and they said to use a 2 part epoxy. I used one with a set time of 90 minutes set time, I applied it with a small brush and spun the wheel as I put it on to ensure it was evenly spread. It worked great.
Cheers, Derrick.
Derrick,Thanks for the information. I had no idea that you had made a similar post. I have no doubt that the epoxy would work great, but I wonder what those tires will be like to get off when they need replacing. This is why I was looking for an adhesive that would hang tough in use but would allow removal at a later time. The 3M Fast Tack Trim Adhesive that I received today had this on the box (in part): "for attaching auto trim such as upholstery clothe, floor mats, carpeting, kick pads, etc. to painted, primed or bare metal, ...". So, those comments and the fact that bicyclist's use it because, " it holds your tires firmly yet doesn't damage the tires or rims when you need to remove them.", made me believe that this was what I needed. Man, I had no idea woodworking could get so complicated. Time will tell how all of this plays out.Thanks again,
Phillip
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