All,
I am interested in purchasing a set of carving knives – I have none at this point in my career. I have looked throughout this thread and followed some of the suggested links to suppliers. I am open to both new or used knives. My question is, “What brand should I get?” I would rather purchase:
1) a set
2) a better quality set that will last for the next 20 years
Thanks,
dlb
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Try this link, if you have not been there already. They have several lines of carving knives. You can let your budget decide which are better. JL
dlb,
Good luck with your carving. Whittling and carving are fun. Whatever you do, do not worry too much about which knife to buy. They are not expensive. You can use a jack-knife!!!
I recommend that you go to your library or woodworking store and look through books which describe the type of carving that you are interested in. When you find a book that you like, you will see what type of knife that the author uses. Buy one that is similar to that, and make some of the carvings in the book. As you gain experience, you will find that the knife that you have does not allow you to do all of the things that you are trying to do, and you will understand what you can't do with that knife, based on your experience. Then go out and buy another knife that gives you the needed capabilities (longer, shorter, stronger, different shape, etc etc etc.
Don't buy a set of knives yet.
A safe way to go is to buy at Woodcraft. If you try the knife and don't like it, you can return it for a full refund. You cant beat that with a stick.
You will find that carving is a personal thing. Someone else can show you how they achieve an effect. BUT you may find a better and easier way for you to do the same thing. The goal is to be able to achieve in wood, what you want to achieve. How you achieve it is not important (as long as it is safe).
Have fun. If you have any more questions, please write.
Enjoy.
Mel
Measure your output in smiles per board foot.
Thanks for the reply. I want to carve 2 'things', if you will.
1) Medieval Decorative Ornaments
2) Early American designs such as shells
So, ... my initial posting. I am not sure of the correct name to classify these types of carvings. The first type I want to carve in the upper portion of table legs and the second in furniture. I assumed that I would need a set of knives/gouges particular to the style(s) which I have chosen. I am all ears and would appreciate any feedback/advice/pointers-to-web-sites, etc. that you have.
Again, thanks for the reply.
dlb
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The undisciplined life is not worth examining.
dlb,Your response adds new information. Given what you want to do, you will not be able to achieve your goals with a knife or even a set of knives. You will need carving chisels. Now your question becomes "Which set of chisels should I buy?", not "which knife should I buy?My answer is similar to my previous one. Go to the library or woodworking store and look through books on how to learn how to carve. Find one that you like. Read it. Also, search out other woodworkers in your area who know how to do carving of the type you are interested in. Ask their opinion. Watch them carve something? If there is a woodworking club near you, join it. Some of them will know about carving. Such people can really help you get started.I started carving over 30 years ago. I started by buying a nice set of 12 carving chisels by "Two Cherries". That was a mistake. There are some chisels in that set that I have never used. I would have been better off buying chisels one by one, as I discovered the need for the specific chisels.I hope my advice is useful to you. Read, read, read. All carvers do it differently. Watching someone carve will help even more than reading. Join a club.Do you live near Washington, DC? If so, I invite you to come to my place and try my chisels. I'll be happy to give you some lessons with no charge. Write back and let me know how your thinking is progressing. I wish I could just tell you which specific chisels you need. It aint that simple. There have been a number of threads on this topic of which tools do I need. Later you'll see why the simple answer is not a useful one. You can get on Google and find any number of places that sell sets of wood carving chisels. Some have five, some have 12, some have 20, etc. I believe you will spend less money in the long run and be happier if you buy them one (or a few) at a time to accomplish specific things. There are plenty of books which describe how to do the types of carving that you want to do. Get one, and you are on your way.Enjoy,
MelMeasure your output in smiles per board foot.
I appreciate the reply. I have searched the internet and it seems that what I want to do is called chip carving. If that is the case then I need chip carving tools. Based upon what I have read it seems that the short ball-type handled type of chisels may be the way to go. I may be wrong but that is what I have gathered prior to purchasing a book. BTW, what is/are your favorite book(s)?
I do not live near Va. - was born in Lynchburg but it is way too cool for me - so I have settled outside of Atlanta, not too far from Highland Hardware. I do appreciate your offer though - that is very kind!
I also have looked on e-bay but was not inclined to make a puchase since I was not sure what I need and you are correct that by purchasing a set there will be unused tools.
I'll keep you posted but if you do have any input as to good books I would appreciate it. Have a great 2007!!
dlb
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The undisciplined life is not worth examining.
dlb,
If you have narrowed it down to chip carving, I can give you some good information.
Chip carving has been done for a long time in Europe. They used a six-chip style for doing triangles. A guy named Wayne Barton went to Switzerland and learned to do it, and then he came up with a simpler way to do the same thing. He removes the triangle-chip with only three cuts. Wayne Barton is the biggest name is chip carving in the US. He sponsors a set of two chip carving knives. One is a knife that does all of the cutting, and one that is called a "stab knife" which makes decorative cuts. There is a Canadian named Dennis Moor, who is another chip carving guru, who uses the same style of chip carving as Wayne Barton, but who has developed a pair of knives with handles with a different shape.
There are some other places that sell a chip carving knife of the Wayne Barton style. The only change seems to be in the handle. Woodcraft sells one. Flexcut sells one. My strong recommendation is to buy the Wayne Barton pair of two knives. I know a number of people who use them. I use them. You can buy them at Wayne's website which is:
http://www.chipcarving.com/Dennis Moor has a website at
http://www.chippingaway.com/Dennis sells a lot of chip carving stuff including his knives, basswood, videotapes, a border layout template, etc etc etc. It is a useful website, and the folks who work for Dennis are great to work with.When it comes to a book for learning chip carving, there are three books. I heartily recommend that you buy all three. Here is my take on the books. Decades ago, Wayne Barton published some "how to" books but they are out of print. Wayne has a book called "Chip Carving: techniques and patterns". He sells this book on his website. It has great photos, but it doesn't tell you much about technique. I have learned that he has another book coming out this year. I am glad that I have the book, but it has limitations. I also recommend Dennis Moor's book, called "Chip Carver's Workbook". You can get it at his website. It has great photos and much more info on "how to" make the cuts. It is infinitely better than Barton's book, when it comes to explaining techniques for different types of cuts.Then there is Pam Grisham's book, called "Basic Chip Carving with Bam Grisham". You can get this and the other books on Amazon.com. Pam's book also has a lot of information on how to make complex cuts, which is not in Dennis' book. It really is worth having all three books.You should note that Dennis and Wayne use the same approach for chip carving. They keep the knife at the same angle for all cuts (for the most part). Pam uses a different technique for making the basic triangular shaped chip cut. She makes two of the cuts at a low angle and the third at a high angle. What I learned is that I can use the same technique as Wayne and Dennis, and ignore Pam's approach to cutting the triangular chip. But the rest of Pam's book uses the same approach as Dennis and Wayne (for the most part). She really does a great job of demonstrating how to make some complex cuts that Dennis and Wayne don't cover.Wayne has a video tape which I have a copy of. It is worth having. You can get it from Wayne's website, and probably on Amazon, and often on Ebay. It really helps to watch someone else do it. I am sure that you can find chip carvers around Atlanta. Write an email to Wayne, and ask if he knows of any groups or any specialists near Atlanta. I would guess that Highland Hardware knows of a local group of carvers, and from there you can find a chip carver.Besides the two knives, I recommend that you get the pair of sharpening stones that Wayne sells. Actually Dennis sells a very similar set too. They are made of ceramic and they dont need water or oil and they are easy to keep with you when you travel.You will also need:
- a compass for making circles. Dennis sells a good one. you can also get them at any office supply store.
- a T-square. Dennis sells a good one for about $3, as I remember.
- a mechanical pencil
- a soft eraser
- some bass wood to practice on.Dennis' website has all of this stuff, and his prices are good. Besides, he has soft lead for the pencil and the compass. That is good because it doesn't make indentations in the wood. You can get the soft lead at some art supply houses, both in town and on line.I hope that info is useful to you. Please write back. I am happy to continue to give you the benefit of what I have learned about chip carving. Your decisions are completely up to you, but I have accumulated some experience with chip carving that may provide you with information that can help you get started.Happy New Year. Happy chip carving. But remember that chip carving has its limitations. Since it is done with a knife, it is used mostly on bass wood, which is not often used in furniture. When it comes to carving the hardwoods that are used in furniture, it is not possible to use the knives. There are other methods. We can talk about that later.Enjoy,
MelMeasure your output in smiles per board foot.
Went to an informal carving group meeting last evening in hopes of gathering some more information. Told them what type of carving I would like to do (found out it's called 'relief'), shut my mouth and opened my ears & took a couple of pages of notes! Concerning tools they suggested that I purchase a few Flexcut chisels, a straight cut knife, strop and abrasive material & a basic carving book. Is this a good plan to follow and if so any suggestions concerning the best place to purchase the materials?
Thanks for your help,
dlb
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The undisciplined life is not worth examining.
dlb,
You met with a group of experienced carvers and found out that the type of carving you want to do is relief carving. They recommended some specific knives and recommended that you find a good book. That ALMOST sounds like a plan to me. Meeting with the carvers was the best thing you could have done. Unfortunately you got two suggestions, and they may not match up. Suppost you buy a book on relief carving and the book gives instructions which use other instruments than the ones the carvers told you to buy????? Then you are in a pickle. Basically you need to buy the tools that your instructor (which may be a book) instructs you to use in the carving. So there is a slow approach to this. One is to go to the library and to a woodworking store and look through the books to find one that suits you. Get the book and take it to the next carving club meeting. Show them the book and the photos of the tools that it recommends. Ask them what they think. Another approach is to ask one of the carvers who told you to get the flexcut knives and a straight knife, etc, and ask them to give you some lessons using the tools that they told you to buy. Another approach is just to buy the book that you like best and get the tools that the book recommends. Then go from there.You just don't want to be stuck with tools but with nothing to tell you how to use them!!!.Most of the relief carving books that I have seen show the use of carving gauges. My experience is that knives are only useful in carving nice soft wood like basswood. IMHO, if you are going to want to do relief carving in furniture, you will eventually need to learn to use carving gauges.I am trying to be helpful, but we are at a great distance. Like I said, if you were here, I'd invite you over and you could try my knives and gauges. I'd let you try to carve on basswood with knives and then chisels, then I'd ask you to try to carve a harder wood, like walnut with the knives and chisels. You would quickly find that the knives have a hard time getting through that hard wood.So if you plan to carve things like basswood then, the knives are a good approach. If you plan to carve hardwoods, I believe you will have to use chisels.So go to the library and the woodstore and look through books. Ask the carvers who recommended knives to recommend a book that teaches the use of knives. Then pick ####book and the tools that go with it, and have fun.In the long run, if you continue with carving, you will have both knives and chisels. Don't buy them all at once. Go at the purchases slowly as you need them.Mostly have fun. Let me know how things are going.
MelMeasure your output in smiles per board foot.
Good starter books would be "Woodcarving: The Beginner's Guide" by Willliam Wheeler, Charles Hayward "Manual of Traditional Woodcarving" by HasluckHere's a starter set and a page I've prepared for people interested in carving, http://www.furniturecarver.com/carving.htmlLee
I have been doing some chip carving as well, just starting out, but I like it, and found LeeValley as a good supplier of knives and information. You need three knives, I only use two so far, and the critical thing is that the knife has to be SHARP, the rest is patience and practice.
dlb,
Are you just talking about knives or knives, gouges, etc. I really like my Cape Forge knives. If you're just talking about knives and aren't planning on chip carving, I would think you could get started with just the standard 'sheep's foot' and a detail knife.
I also like FlexCut knives but I'm not too keen on the Pfeil knives although I like the rest of their carving tools.
That having been said, probably just about any knife will do so long as it is properly sharpened and maintained.
If you're talking about something broader than just knives, your selection is really likely to depend on exactly what your carving. Chris Pye has a website with recommended tools for beginners (his book WoodCarving Tools, Materials and Equipment, Vol. 1 would also get you off on the right foot).
Matt
buy a flexcut knife they are good value if you can find one buy a ron wells knife.
I have been doing a lot of carving since I have retired. My kids gave me a set of Whittling Jack knives a few years ago. After reshaping the blades I find them to be satisfactory except that they are hard to sharpen. I made two good carving knives from stainless steel steak knives but it is hard to find them with good enough steel for carving. The knives that I use most are Victorinox Swiss army knives, Case pocket knives and a few other brands of pocket knives. I regrind the small blades removing the curved edge and hone them to a long bevel for most work. Most of them hold an edge very well. I have made good knives from old saw blades that do quite well also.
Edited 12/31/2006 7:29 pm ET by wdrite
Edited 12/31/2006 7:30 pm ET by wdrite
First, Mel (9619) --
Happy New Year!! Seems like we have been on this discussion before! I'll leave the specific tool advice up to you. But, thought I would weigh in on the brand issue.
dlb --
Someone here in the Knots group sometimes adds a saying that basically says "buy the best and only cry once." And, like asking which is the best car out there, you will get a lot of answers.
After asking which carving tools are best here on Knots (32408.1) I concluded a couple of things.
1. In the realm of high quality tools, it comes down to which handle, fit, looks, etc., you like most. Any one of several brands will do fine and last you a lifetime. Between two brands, it may simply come down to which style of handle fits best in your hand. Someone with large hands may prefer something different than someone with small hands.
2. I would probably buy Two Cherries or Hirsch (same chisel, different prices) or Pfeil, typically available at Woodcraft. The Pfeil will be less expensive and probably easier for you to see, touch, and handle if there is a Woodcraft close to you. I have bought mostly Pfeil as there is a Woodcraft near me (too close, wihch leads to spending money) and the quality of the Pfeil will out perform me.
I see you live in Georgia. Check out Highland Woodworking in or near Atlanta (was Highland Hardware) online or go into their store, take one of their classes, etc.
Mel will tell you to just get some and start carving. And, he is right. You will learn more about what works for you that way than any other way. I have seen his carving and he is quite good.
Alan - planesaw
Thanks for the reply. I do realize that you ,"buy the best and only cry once" is probably the best way to go. That is why I have yet to visit Highland - I would cry after leaving and cry again after I got home!!
That is probably the best place locally to find what I want. I will check in w/ the local woodworking club to see who carves and collect some info. I have some Hirsch mortising chisels and I appreciate their work. Thanks for the suggestion.
Have a Happy New Year!
dlb
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The undisciplined life is not worth examining.
I started wood carving about a year ago. I have a set of Flexcut carving knives and a set of Flexcut palm gouges. I would highley recomend Flexcut carving knives and gouges. They offer gouges with a removable handle so you can buy the handle and use them with diffrent gouges. The cost is a lot less giong that route http://www.flexcut.com
They also have mallet gouges for heaver carving
Have a nice day Lee
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