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   sschefer | Apr 22, 2002 12:28am | #1

   Rick, if you are a weekend warrior and don't intend to use if for much more than a few simple projects then the B&D might just be what you need. B&D is the homeowner line for the company. Dewalt is their industrial line. Look at the difference between the two and you'll see what I'm talking about.

   Here's the corporate website http://www.bdk.com You can learn a lot about a companys products by reading their SEC filings and their annual reports. If there is any profit loss do to problems with a product line, you'll usually find it in the SEC filings.

   Steve - in Northern California

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   ETG | Apr 22, 2002 02:41am | #2

   Steve - Good point about the SEC filings - B&D Corp. - parent of many brand names is not having a good year.  They are having losses in many divisions and right now they are laying off hundreds of folks at its Easton, MD plant (where many DeWalt items are made).  They are in the process of moving many tool items to China and other off shore manufacturing sites.  Just as they did with DeWalt about 15 years ago, I suspect they will do the same with B&D - that is, downgrade DeWalt to homeowner status (it's headed that way already) and revive the old B&D commercial products like worm drive saws, Macho hammers, Sawcats and the industry standard, the Holegun.  Nolan Archibald, the CEO will be retiring in the next 10 years so he has good reason to pump-up sales of one of his major divisions.

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   sschefer | Apr 22, 2002 03:13am | #3

   They certainly make for interesting reading don't they. That's how I verified that Delta was having big problems with quality control and customer service. The SEC filings show that the parent company knows about it and has promised the share holders that it was fixing the problem. It definitely swung me away from a 14" Delta bandsaw and into a Jet 18". Steve - in Northern California

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   wcperry4 | Apr 22, 2002 04:06am | #4

   You struck a nerve here when you mentioned Delta...I am now the proud owner of a DeWalt 12 1/2 inch planner which replaced a Delta that didn't last a year.  The Delta had so many things going for it when I bought it.  Price, ease of use, great dust collection hookup, light weight.  But then I started on a big job and it quit right at the start of it.  This happened just about the time Delta and Porter Cable were merging.  I went to the local Delta service center and was told it would be several months wait to get it repaired.  The problem was a common problem I was told.  The screw that holds the belt pulley to the cutter shaft worked loose.  This allowed the pulley to start to walk.  Next the keyway went and as a result the belt melted the guard and then self-destructed.  I decided I'd repair it myself since I didn't have a lot of time to wait.  Still had to wait a month for the parts.  When received I found that (although the screw that holds the cutter shaft works itself out because it's not tight enough) I couldn't get the screws out of the covers to make the repairs.  They tork those suckers in like they're assembling a 747.  I already had a B&D Chop Saw.   It's the work horse of my small shop and has given about 5 years of no trouble service.  So when I decided to bite to bullet and give up on the Delta planner I had no trouble laying out the extra bucks for the DeWalt.  I hope you guys are wrong about B&D's future.  I'd sure hate to lose that company.

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   sschefer | Apr 22, 2002 05:14am | #5

   Wow Bill, thats some story. I probably shouldn't have brought up the "D" subject. I don't want to accidently hijack this thread. I hope B&D works things out too. They have always been a company I felt I could trust and I have some great, older B&D tools. I'm not a fan of the new stuff just yet but who knows.  Steve - in Northern California

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   wcperry4 | Apr 23, 2002 03:27am | #16

   Steve, I feel the same way about Delta, believe it or not.  I didn't mention that I also have a 10 inch Delta Table Saw, 6 inch Jointer, Table-top Band Saw and also a Drill Press.  All of which have given several years of great service.  But if I never see another Delta Planner it may be too soon.  Good to talk at cha.

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   fdampier | Apr 23, 2002 05:30am | #17

   Bill,

     wow is that funny, I have plenty of reason to hate Delta, I bought a Delta 12 1/2 inch bench top planer that came without handles and it took over a month to get that fixed.  Once I did, it's worked like a champ for me.  I bet that suckers planed well over 5000 bd. ft. of white oak. without a hic-up.

     But wow, do I hate their contractors saw!

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   forestgirl | Apr 22, 2002 07:31am | #6

   Rick, two questions

   1. Is it direct drive or belt driven? (I'm guessing DD)
   2. How much is it?

   forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl   ;-)

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   sschefer | Apr 22, 2002 07:44am | #7

   f_g - I found the instructions for table saw alignment and posted them in the ripping oak thread. Thanks ...

   Here are the specs and pictures of the saw... Looks lik its a 15 amp induction motor that has a developed HP rating of 3hp. I would bet it's direct drive. At 145lbs its about half the weight of our Jets. Definitely the saw falls into the homeowner class. Looks pretty nice.

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   10" Table Saw

    

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   Self-aligning aluminum fence slides smoothly and locks parallel to blade

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   Fence Micro-Adjust for quick and accurate fence fine tuning measurements

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   Powerful 15A, 3 Hp motor

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   Large cast iron table provides stable, smooth work surface

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   Oversized shut-off switch is easily activated with either hand or knee

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   Extruded aluminum legs with oversized rubber feet for rigidity and stability

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   T-Slot miter gauge stays in slot when using with extended material

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   Dust extraction port attaches to shop vac or dust bag for a cleaner work environment

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   See-through blade guard with anti-kickback fingers for visibility and safety

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   Easy assembly: takes less than 1/2 the time of other table saws

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   Separate locking height and bevel adjustment wheels are easy and intuitive to operate

    

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   Dust Port Diameter  2 1/2 "

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   Max Width Of Dado  13/16 "

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   Amps  15 Amps

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   Shipping Weight  154 lbs

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   No Load Speed  4800 rpm

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   Table Size (with extensions)  40 1/2 x 23 1/2 "

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   Blade Diameter  10 "

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   Arbor Size  5/8 "

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   Depth Of Cut At 90 Degrees  3 3/8 "

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   Depth Of Cut At 45 Degrees  2 1/4 "

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   Max Rip To Right Of Blade  25 "

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   Max Rip To Left Of Blade  15 "

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   Tool Weight  145 lbs

   Steve - in Northern California

   Edited 4/22/2002 12:46:51 AM ET by Steve Schefer

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   forestgirl | Apr 22, 2002 08:29am | #8

   Hi Steve, thanks for finding that!  Hopefully, he won't need to give his saw the "full treatment" but I found it very comforting to have your instructions in my archives.

   I'd be surprised (make that flabbergasted) if this B&D saw is belt-driven.  It'd be interesting to know the price, 'cause I'd bet it's close to $400 or maybe even more.  I just can't see paying that much for a direct drive saw.

   How do they get 3HP with only 15A??  Hmmmmmmm.

   Howz your lumber-storage project going? (ooops, here I go hijacking again!)  I'm working on a drop-down/pull-up router table that attaches to the Jet (left wing).  Putting the legs on tomorrow!

   forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl   ;-)

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   sschefer | Apr 22, 2002 08:46am | #9

   Lumber storage... Oh yeah, that's another thing I was supposed to do this weekend. Well, hey, I did the laundry, cut the lawns, washed the truck, cleaned the shop, almost finished the marble table, Salvaged two 8' x 24" by 6/4 pieces of clear heart redwood from an old barn, took the rabbit out bar hopping, bbq'd for a half dozen friends, planted the seeds for the garden, re-potted a few plants, made a set of wheel barrow handles for my dad and fixed a computer for a friend. Jeeze, now that I think of it there is a reason I'm as tired as I am.

   I really need to get that lumber storage system built. Maybe I'll start it tomorrow evening after work. I can't work on the table until the BLO dries.

   As for 3hp at 15amps... Induction motors are rated in amps and the HP is the theoretical developed hp not the load hp. It probably compares to about a 1 hp regular motor. Steve - in Northern California

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   forestgirl | Apr 22, 2002 08:55am | #10

   Steve, do you ever sleep?!?  An amazing list of accomplishments!  I think the last time I was able to maintain that kind of activity level, I was still a write-off on my mom's income tax!  Wow!

   "...rabbit out bar-hopping"  !!  Not sure how to translate that one.  :-)  forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl   ;-)

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   sschefer | Apr 22, 2002 08:57am | #11

   I told you about my rabbit didn't I. Well, I took it out bar hopping Saturday night. Really, I did... It was too funny, what a chic magnet. LOL.Steve - in Northern California

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   NormInFujino | Apr 22, 2002 09:27am | #12

   FG:How do they get 3HP with only 15A??  Hmmmmmmm.

   Short answer: They don't. That figure is so-called "developed horsepower" that is reached just the instant before the windings melt (Bosch advertises 4.4HP for their 15A benchtop 4000, which has got to be a joke). Someone may correct me, but I think developed horsepower is more commonly given with universal motors, because it looks so much more impressive than the corresponding figure for induction motors, another reason that it looks to me awfully like the B&D has a universal motor. --That's not necessarily a criticism, depending on what you're using it for, only you should know before buying

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   forestgirl | Apr 22, 2002 09:34am | #13

   I've been sitting at the computer for too long -- thought you wrote "...before the wingdings melt" ! :-)

   Yep, suspect you're very right about the "developed HP."  I've read about that, and universal vs. induction motors, but the stuff sticks in my brain about like cooking oil sticks to Teflon.  Oh, well.forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl   ;-)

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   sschefer | Apr 22, 2002 05:32pm | #14

   Hey, but if nothing sticks to teflon how do they make it stick to the pan?

   Steve - in Northern California

   Edited 4/22/2002 12:03:30 PM ET by Steve Schefer

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   stancalow | Apr 22, 2002 11:30pm | #15

   Rick and All

   I saw the B&D table saw in a recent magazine (Family Handyman or Wood??) and then again at Lowe's.   Price at Lowe's was $399.  It looks pretty cool.  I am pretty sure the magazine said it was a universal motor (LOUD).    I plan on getting a new table saw in a year or so, so I'll be interested in actual experience. 

   Stan