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   TomT226 | Dec 31, 2005 03:29pm | #1

   I generally use Accuride 3832 series when making kitchen storage slides.  I've never placed them on the same side.  You may want to consider using one high on one side, the other low on a low side to permit access to the inside.  Or, use a center mount pantry slide. Additionally, it's a PITA to have to open a door to access a slide-out, when the door could be mounted on the face of the slide and open with one movement.  Slides require 1/2" clearance on each side, and your door would have to open out of the way completely.

    

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   Woodwrkr | Jan 01, 2006 06:58pm | #10

   Tom brought up a good point, but I'd like to add to it.

   When putting cabinet pullouts in, I make my buildout 1-1/2" thick, so I have no problems surpassing the european hinge.  A buildout is only needed on a side where the hinge is at.

   For face frame applications, you'll need to measure the distance from the inside of the cabinet to the opening of the cabinet.  For 3/4" side walls with an 1-1/2" face frame, would leave you with the need for a 3/4" buildout.  You will need more than that, so it surpasses the hinge.  An 1-1/2 min buildout would be required for this application.

   The KV have a 100lbs rating, but Accuride 3832's have a 150 lbs rating.

   Whenever a drawer slide that is meant to be a side mount and is used as a bottom mount, you end up losing almost half of what it can hold. 

   For what you're trying to do, KV or Accuride would be more than sufficient.

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   Dave45 | Jan 02, 2006 09:29pm | #11

   Tom's point about drawers behind doors is dead on.  I do quite a bit of work on houses being sold and often do touchups on the dings in the cabinetry.  I can't think of even one "drawer(s) behind door(s)" cabinet that didn't have at least some dings where the doors weren't opened completely when a drawer was pulled out. 

   I think that it's a poor design and I avoid it if at all possible on the stuff I design and build.  99+% of my customers buy off on my drawer fronts that look like doors design (like in the picture in my earlier post), and the few that didn't told me later that they wish they had.  A couple of them even paid me to re-work their cabinet - lol.

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   Woodwrkr | Jan 02, 2006 09:55pm | #12

   Yes, I agree, doors do get banged up, especially if they have kids.  "Don't know any better"

   I tell my clientele that it's a waste of space to put pullouts behind doors.  If you want drawers, MAKE THEM DRAWERS!

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   notDusty | Jan 03, 2006 06:52am | #13

   Hi Dave ,

               I stopped putting pull out drawers or roll out shelves behind doors in kitchens  many years ago ,with the exception of pantry roll outs . About 15 years ago a client of mine in a wheel chair taught me that the pull outs were difficult if not impossible to for him to access .

            The way I look at it is , why open a door to get to a drawer ? The way I bid it costs more for doors with pullouts behind them , than a stack of drawers does . For anyone interested the KV 8500 slides are rated at 150lbs , the 8400 is 100 lbs . I don't use the 8400s at all , but for larger what I call bonus drawers I use the 8505 and for all other intermediate size kitchen type drawers I now use the newest KV 6500 series rated at 125 lbs and really like them a lot .

                                  regards      dusty

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   Dave45 | Dec 31, 2005 05:33pm | #2

   I'm having trouble visualizing what you're wanting to do - lol.  I can't imagine a situation where I would want to "hang" a drawer from only one side.  Even if the glides held up, it seems like the drawer box would eventually want to rack.

   If you're worried about losing drawer width (1/2" per side with typical side mounted glides), look at the Accuride, bottom mount,  full extension glides.  Rockler (http://www.rockler.com) sells them for about $40 per set and they work great.

   I used them for this bathroom cabinet recently.  The cabinet could only be 13" wide and the customer wanted easier access to the drawers.  The top is solid and access is from either side.  Each drawer also has a tray that goes inside on adjustable shelf pins.

   
   

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   Woodwrkr | Jan 01, 2006 06:12am | #6

   Love the toilet paper look Dave :)

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   Dave45 | Jan 01, 2006 05:21pm | #9

   Woodwrkr -

   I wasn't real thrilled with that either, but that's what the HO wanted.  As someone once said (or certainly should have) ......."Oh well, I can't see it from my house". - lol

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   WillGeorge | Jan 03, 2006 08:34pm | #14

   Love the toilet paper look Dave :)DANG! I was thinkin' sort of the same thing! I was wonderin' why he did not use that 'fancy' stuff with a pattern?

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   Dave45 | Jan 04, 2006 06:12pm | #15

   Awww, c'mon guys.  Can I get a break here??  Haven't you ever gritted your teeth and done something just to make the customer happy?? - lmao

   Actually, you should have seen what I took out of the bathroom.  The house is an 1880's Victorian that's in pretty good condition.  This bathroom was done it the late 70's or early '80's and is very "modern".  It has pink and grey marble on the floor and walls, a jacuzzi tub, and canned lighting in the 10' ceiling.  I replaced one grey melamine cabinet and a chrome and glass medicine cabinet that looked like something from the Home Depot return pile.

   Ignoring the toilet paper holder, I like to think that the new cabinets are more true to the victorian style than what was there.  Don't be wrecking my little fantasy here, ok?? - lol

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   WillGeorge | Jan 05, 2006 09:16pm | #16

   We just funnin' ya! Nice work!

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   ring | Dec 31, 2005 06:23pm | #3

   1)  There are bottom-mount slides used for pantry pullouts that take lots of weight with no problem.

   2)  There are side mount kitchen units with double chrome baskets for exactly the type of installation you are talking about.

   I am not familiar with the KV8500's you are talking about, but if you do go with them, make sure they will stand the sideways torque that is inherent in this setup.  It's not just a question of the load capacity; many heavy slides are not designed to withstand the unbalanced load. 

   DR

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   Segil | Dec 31, 2005 11:12pm | #4

   Use the K&V 8400 slides, not the 8500, which are made for file drawers and have too much lateral play in them for this application. The 8400 is a much tighter slide, and should do the job just fine.

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   mikegagne | Jan 01, 2006 05:55am | #5

   bmw, Your wifes idea should work just fine as long as-the slide can hold the weight (100lbs) should be fine and the pullout is strong enough to resist any racking force exerted on it, in other words it must be able to stay square. I have used the same thing myself. Just make sure the pullout clears the door and hinges or attach the door to the pullout. aloha, mike

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   DougU | Jan 01, 2006 07:45am | #7

   If I understand what your trying to do, I have done that same thing with the same guides but I put two on the sides and one on the bottom, the bottom one is flat.

   I know that the bottom one doesnt give any strength but it does heep keep it aligned while the other two hold the weight.

   Doug

    

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   wrudiger | Jan 01, 2006 08:59am | #8

   Is this what you are trying to do?  Do our wives read the same publications in Dr's offices?

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   I like the concept, though I will probably use undermount glides instead and make a double-decker unit.  My approach probably has something to do with the fact that I have one pair of Blum Tandems left over - from where DW wanted the Heafle pull-out ironing board...  does it ever end? 

   I did do a side-mount for my broom closet - a 5' tall piece of plywood with grippers for broom, mop, etc.  Used KV 8400 series self-closers and they are working great.  Not a lot of weight though...

   
   

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