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   RANGERP75R | Aug 21, 2003 03:37am | #1

   IAN

      I have used Sandvik for 31 years an still have two. I bought a Veritas at Highland Hardware an I get better results. I could not believe anything could compare to Sandvik, but it whups it. I also have a Bahco 474 (formerly Sandvik) that I have not used yet. I will pull it out of the pack an sharpen it in the next few days. I'll give it a try for the advancement of research. ha..ha..

   Evening...

   sarge..jt

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   IanC | Aug 21, 2003 03:49am | #2

   Sarge, I bought the LN's at Highland.  Actually they did have the Bahco but as I recall, the instructions showed to use a pulling motion rather than pushing which isn't the way I learned.   Is there a picture on the package illustrating this or did I imagine it? 

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   RANGERP75R | Aug 21, 2003 05:43am | #3

   IAN

      I will run down an see if I kept the BAHCO package. Quite often I will pull them out of the plastic because of the humidity her in Atlanta. Will let you know one way or the other.

      I pull a scraper. I have used them both ways an find I have better control with a pull stroke. Saw Odate pulling things long ago in a seminar an went home an tried it. Been pulling them since, with a few exceptions where the push stroke is better suited. I bought a little Marples pull saw the other day an I like the control of the pull stroke there also. Not sure what's happening, but if I start eating raw fish, shoot me an end the misery. ha..ha..

      I will try the twin pack LN's next time around on your recomendation. The problem there is scrapers last a while, as you know.  Almost went there, but opted for the Veritas an Bahco when I bought two for a rainy day.

      BTW, you are in Aust., aren't you?

   Latter...

   sarge..jt

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   RANGERP75R | Aug 21, 2003 06:13am | #4

   IAN

      You are absolutely correct. The back of the package shows a pull stroke an X through a push stroke. I am not sure why they would specify that. As you stated, the push stroke is usually the one taught. I just feel the pull is best for me as I feel the blade better an have more power when needed toward center mass of body. Give it a try an see what your thoughts are. The worst is you don't care for it an stay with the push stroke. Nothing lost, but a possible gain.

      I put a hook on all eight sides so I don't have to hone as often. I can't figure why they have the X through push. I know for a fact that either way will work if the proper angle is attained. Not that it will matter 20 years from now, but I might call as my curiousity is aroused on that one.

      I ask about Aust. as I thought I had heard you say that you were from there. You just wouldn 't happen to be a Ian from Cummings that I am going to pattern a work-bench after, would you? Won't metion any last names. If you were that Ian, you will know what I am referring to.

      BTW, I did purchase one of those Veritas scraper holders, reluctantly. It has good feel and keeps from burning the ole fingers. Doesn't cramp the hands so badly either.. Would recommend it. Saw the boys at Highland using one in a demo room. Took a test spin and walked out of the store with one.

   Regards...

   sarge..jt

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   Justus | Aug 21, 2003 10:25am | #5

   just a fun Highland hardware story:

    I went with my wife to GA when she presented at a college there. A friend of hers was driving us to lunch when out of the corner of my eye I noticed the highland hardware store.

     It took me a couple of seconde to realize that I just passed THE Highland Hardware store. I got out of the car at the next light and hustled back to the store.

   In my haste I had forgotten to tell my wife just what the heck I was doing. When they found me a few minutes later I was standing at the hand plane case with a glazed look mumbling something about Lie Nielson.

   She forgave me.

   Justus Koshiol

   Running Pug Construction

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   BG | Aug 21, 2003 02:00pm | #6

   Justus,

   They just don't understand.  Yesterday I mentioned to my wife it might be a good idea to take a couple of days and run up to Maine to do some clothes shoping for our daughter who will be returning to college shortly (yipee!).  My wife agreed but asked "gee, Kittery is only an hour away...with the big discount houses...why a couple of days?". Well, I said, I'm thinking of visiting Warren, Me...and that is 5 hours north.  The conversation went downhill quickly after that....  

   I mean in her $15-20,000 dollar kitchen (replacment cost) no one expects her to slice meat, bread, vegs., etc. with the same knife....don't use this arguement....I had to buy takeout last night too...lol

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   RANGERP75R | Aug 22, 2003 08:32am | #8

   Justus

      Ha...ha..   That's a great story. She probably won't let you come back to Atlanta knowing your addiction. If you happen to get back to town on a week-end in the future, let me know. If you drive close to Highland, I can arrange for some shady characters to pull you out of the car at a stop-light and whisk you off to Highland. We can leave a pasted note with her when you are abducted with the amount of the ransom. Of course, that amount depends on the sum of what you spend at Highland on tools. ha..ha..

   BTW, what college did she present at?

   Have a great day...

   sarge...jt

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   RANGERP75R | Aug 22, 2003 08:35am | #9

   Justus

      BTW, it was no accident that those planes were near the door as soon as you turn left. If you take the first few steps, your gonna be there awhile. ha..ha..

   sarge..jt

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   IanC | Aug 21, 2003 04:07pm | #7

   Sarge,  Well I guess I do pull the scraper occasionally but  seem to last longer using the push.  I think maybe the thinner scrapers would work better pulled to keep them from flexing too much?  I really should get one of those handles cause after a good  session I wonder if the FBI could still identify me. No, I'm not from Cumming but I do go up to GA Hardwoods once in a while. I'm in Rockdale Co. (greater Conyers). 

   Ian

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   RANGERP75R | Aug 22, 2003 08:50am | #10

   IAN

      I do highly reccomend the Veritas holder. It fits the hand very comfortably and has a brass screw in the center to dial in the correct flex without tiring your hands. You don't get the finger burn either.

      I am a native of Gwinnett up in L'ville. The Ian from Cummings stems from the fact that Ian Kirby had built a place up in Cummings. That was several years ago. I can only assume he's built a permanent shop an school at this point as I have not heard to the contrary. I like his style an straigh-forward approach.

      Where is Ga. Hardwood? I use Sawanee Hardwood or Lumber. They have been around since the 70's, but few know of them as they don't advertise or go to shows. I am aware of Atlanta Hardwood on the south side of town. Is Ga. up in the Cumming area. I might know of them under another name as I have a contact in that area with someone that built a log home an bought a saw-mill set-up. I use it ocassionally to mill downed trees. Don't won't to wear out my welcome by pestering him too often.

   Have a good evening, neighbor...

   sarge..jt

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   IanC | Aug 22, 2003 04:17pm | #11

   Sarge, My mistake, Georgia Hardwoods is actually in Buford, close to Cumming. Go to http://www.georgiahardwoods.com .  I use Peach State Lumber in Kennesaw more often than the others.  Nice folks and less expensive than Atlanta Hardwood.  There's also a place in Perry I plan to visit sometime.  I think all these places are listed at Woodfinder.com.

   Ian (not Kirby)  

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   RANGERP75R | Aug 23, 2003 04:13am | #12

   IAN

      Thanks on that one. Buford is just about 8 miles from here in Gwinnett. Wasn't aware of that one. Am aware of Peach State.

   Have a good week-end, IAN (not Kirby) ha..ha..

   sarge..jt

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   RANGERP75R | Aug 23, 2003 06:12pm | #13

   IAN

      Called Ga. Hardwood this morning an inquired on the price of hard maple. They want $4.00 a bd. ft.. if you purchase under 100 bd. ft.. The price at Sawanee Lumber is $2.55. You were right about the pricey part there. The guy on the phone gave me the impression that a small amount gets you a second class classification. Just have a feeling that you might get what's left over from the first class customers selections. That was just my impression. Another person there could come across as more hospitable.

      I think I will stick with Sawanee. Regardless of what you buy, they treat every customer as if they were their most important. I don't mind paying more for that. In this case, seems I'm getting a better attitude toward the "small fish in a large pond" an a better price to boot.

      Will check out Kennesaw also. I have also heard what you stated about them. I agree Atlanta Hardwood is a bit pricey for me.

   Regards...

   sarge..jt

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   BG | Aug 23, 2003 06:54pm | #14

   Sarge,

   Hope you don't mind me budding in this way...

   You mentioned in another post you had a CMT bent wrench for the collet.  It seems CMT is making them for several different routers now but I can't find a picture anywhere.  I think it may be the tool I'm looking for to help with my 621 in the router table.  Can you describe yours?

   thanks

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   RANGERP75R | Aug 23, 2003 10:29pm | #15

   BG

      It just has an off-set in it to get into the housing an to the collet nut easier. I thought I saw it in the CMT cat for your router an several others. I just looked an did not see it. Try their web-site an see if they it.

   http://www.sommerfeldtools.com

      I know I saw one's for other routers somewhere. If you don't find it, let me know. I've alerted the Ga. Bureau of Investigation an we're ready to roll. ha..ha..

   sarge..jt

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   BG | Aug 24, 2003 12:10am | #16

   Sarge,

   Call off the Fuzz...I found them..woodpecker has pictures...and my size is 22m...nice deep offset too...

   When you said you had seen them somewhere it became much easier....just went to the places you hang out....;-)

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   RANGERP75R | Aug 24, 2003 04:36am | #17

   BG

      Good man. I found it about an hour ago down in the shop. Took a break from gluing up a new work-bench top an was thumbing through a Pecker mag. WoodPecker of course.

      It will mayke life easier with the off-set.

   sarge..jt