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   Ronaway | Mar 22, 2007 02:51pm | #1

   The woes of today's plywoods is what you're dealing with. Supposed furniture grade plywood being sold with these kinds of problems is why so many vacuumm presses are being sold these days. I don't know when the manufacturers of this material are going to wise up and give us a better product. I for one, am just not satisfied with the status of the product that is currently available. I would like to see improvements in the flatness of the product, and in the thickness of the veneers. I would gladly pay more for a better product but as long as we keep buying what they offer, there will no incentive on their part to improve the product.

   There is not sure way to resolve the issues with this glue bleed thru. There is not enough veneer to assure sanding it away before running thru the veneer and even if you do it will be hard to tell if there is not some residual that may screw up your finish. The best resolution would be to return the sheets with this defect. At some point we've got to force the issue of the poor state of this product.

   Ron

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   Corvette | Mar 23, 2007 01:38pm | #7

   Thank you, Ron. I have already built most of the units before discovering the problem so returning the sheets is not an option. Thank you.

   Corvette

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   Ronaway | Mar 23, 2007 03:07pm | #8

   What is your plan for the finish on your project for these plywood pieces.Ron

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   Corvette | Mar 24, 2007 02:00pm | #12

   At this point, I have only been contracted to manufacture the cabinets and the finishing will be done by a third party which has not been selected at this time.

    

   Corvette

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   Ronaway | Mar 24, 2007 06:16pm | #13

   You are lucky in that respect. There are ways top deal with this problem, however it is easier
   if the color required is fairly dark.Ron

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   Kevin | Mar 22, 2007 05:33pm | #2

   I agree with Ron... return it if you can. The veneer is too thin to do anything with, more likely than not.

   The only thing I would suggest if you are stuck with it is to color over the adhesive bleed-through using a high quality art pencil. This technique works best over a sanded sealer coat of finish. It can take a lot of time, but it can also be remarkably effective.

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   oldusty | Mar 23, 2007 06:02am | #3

   Hi Corvette ,

                  Returning the goods may be an option but,,, you said you bought furniture grade Cherry plywood but you did not say what grade it is . Is it shop grade ? is it B2 , C3 or what ? You have not told us where you buy your materials from but typically the big box stores do not carry the finer grades of anything in  hardwood sheet goods.

      The glue coming through is called calendaring through pourous veneers it has been found often on import panels with thinner veneers usually .

           Try a cabinet shop type supplier if you did not already , they will carry better grades of the same species as a rule .

      The Hybrid panels are used for the highest quality veneers , these panels have a thin core ply of mdf type material just under the face skins . This assures a flat surface and superior product in most cases and will usually cost more than the box store DIY type of products , really you do get what you pay for in most cases .

               best of luck                dusty

   
   

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   Edited 3/22/2007 11:04 pm ET by oldusty

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   nikkiwood | Mar 23, 2007 08:56am | #4

   Speaking of furniture grade plywood, have any of you pulled out your measuring stick to determine if the veneer on fiber core (MDF) ply is thinner than the veneer on regular (veneer core) ply?********************************************************
   "It is what we learn after we think we know it all, that counts."

   John Wooden 1910-

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   oldusty | Mar 23, 2007 09:11am | #5

     Hi Nikki ,

               When you say fibre core , do you mean there is no veneer ? Rather all mdf or PB core without any veneer core ? Just a face skin on each side .

                          dusty

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   nikkiwood | Mar 23, 2007 03:50pm | #9

   Around here at least, furniture grade ply is commonly available with either a "fiber" core (which is mdf) or "veneer" core (which is standard cross plys). In both cases the wood of choice (cherry veneer, for example) is applied to both sides. The fiber core is cheaper, and of course heavier, but it stays flat, and is therefore easier to work with than veneer core -- which will often curl just enough to be a pain (especially if you are making frameless cabinets, which is mostly what I do). I am speculating that the face veneer of the fiber core stuff is actually thinner, but I posed the question for someone who might know for sure.********************************************************
   "It is what we learn after we think we know it all, that counts."

   John Wooden 1910-

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   Corvette | Mar 23, 2007 01:30pm | #6

   Thank you Dusty. The plywood grade is B-1, veneer core, manufactured to ANSI/HPVA HF1-2000 standards. It is really a good furniture grade. I bought the sheet goods from a very reputable supplier who I have done business with for many years. They are trying to help me. Any thoughts on how to remove the bleed through adhesive?

   Thank you.  Corvette

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   oldusty | Mar 23, 2007 04:49pm | #10

   Good morning Vette ,

                       The "B" face is not as good as an "A" face so you did not get the best grade made , although it may have been the best available . The # 1 back you got may have more seams but could be close or as good a quality as the "B" face sometimes , imo .

               Depending on the type of finish you will use hiding the glue can be difficult at best . Short of tinting your finish or shading which can be more opaque and less transparent staining or finishing over glue can be futile especially for a clear finish .

            good  luck         dusty

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   Corvette | Mar 24, 2007 01:54pm | #11

   Thank you.

   Corvette