Craftsman 113.12200 10″ Table Saw upgrade
Hello Vintage Woodworkers:
I recently upgraded my 10″ Craftsman table saw with new 1hp motor bearings, wiring, pulleys+belt, #2412 fence, and a cast iron table extension for a vintage Craftsman router. I am searching for what router lift or router mount was originally used on these router table extensions? The table extension fit perfectly with the bolt pattern onto my table saw but I cannot find any router bolt plate to match. What did Craftsman cast this table for a router match? I also recognize that my original TS machined edges are square and the cast iron router table extension has a machined bevel edge. I would guess the extension table was from a 315. model and my saw is a 113. model but the main issue is what router bolt pattern was used on these table saw extenions ( 27″x 10″)?
Forged in Fire,
Russ
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Is there an opening for a drop-in plate, or is the table drilled for the router? Photos would help. Send photos of the underside also to get the most out of the group.
I don't know about the router but I'm curious how much you spent on it, if you don't me prying?
Understand that this saw was purchased with 100.00 gift from my Grandmom when I was 15 and now 70. I also became an Industrial Arts teacher because of this saw. Answer: about 700. At this point without the use of router table. I had the base powder coated, new grade 5 bolts, two vintage extension tables, bearings, wiring. I could have purchased an equivalent saw stop/grizzly new but this saw is a purr...
Robert E Jr:
Here is what I spent:
motor wiring +new bearing 109.00
Powder coat base 100.00
Fence upgrade. 150.00
Ext table router. 160.00
Grade 5 bolts + 50.00
Machine CI pulleys + new belt. 60.00
Bora mobile base. 60.00
Router table inserts?
New router?
Fence clamps?
New 60 tooth 10” blade
Est 69.00
Question marks are future expenses. Prices were high perhaps shipping internet costs. If this saw didn’t have the personal history attached, surely would buy a new one!
Thanks for your suggestions and look for new photos of my saw this week sometime!
Nice saw! It looks like they drilled it for just about anything, or more likely it was drilled repeatedly by prior owners for whatever router they wanted to use.
Pull the plastic baseplate off your router and see if you can find 3 holes that line up. With how thick the table is I would not look to add a plate or lift, you'll run out of bit length very quickly.
Thanks MJ:
I removed the plastic plate as you kindly suggested, and sure enough the 3-10/32”holes matched and my router is mounted. Now, I am looking for 2.5” inserts, but am continuing to look for the router that matches the 4”x 4” hole pattern w/3/8” holes? I will purchase a new one if I find one, and I will post new photos later today for you to see.
Really appreciate your help,
Russ
If you know the age of the router table extension, look up an old Craftsman catalog at the Internet Archive. Chances are that the routers they sold at the time were those that the table was drilled for.
Love the fence upgrade! Going to steal that. I’ve been scouring the internet for the router model for my 315 extension. What was the verdict? A vintage craftsman router?
I have a Porter Cable 7539 and a Triton TRA001, both have a 4" square mounting pattern. The PC is no longer made, but the Triton is a terriffic machine that I have in my cast iron tablesaw wing router table pretty much permanently.
Thanks for the router ID and I just added a Kreg safety switch for my original 55yo craftsman router. Made a fence upgrade for router. Difficult for bit change on this router but mounting holes fit on the table. I will use this setup for functionality, and may go to your Triton TRA001 suggestion. Waiting for the mail and a new belt.
Thanks again for helping me upgrade router choices!
Russ
Check out my new upgrade photos?
Looks great! If you go to the Triton you'll love the automatic spindle lock when you bring it all the way up for changing bits...above the table and with just one wrench. You might want to check the specs against the thickness of that old iron though.
Mine is mounted without the plastic base plate on a 1/4" thick aluminum plate and I have a solid 1/2" above the table to get a wrench on it.
Nice work. The old 113. C-man saws that were cared for can still provide better service than many of their modern equivalents. Like you I was lucky enough to have one handed from grandpa to dad to me.
I recently put a new motor on it (the old one used grease cups), replaced the arbor bearings and it spins a full kerf, 10" blade just fine. I use it primarily as a cross cut station with a sled.
Nice looking table. I'm with MJ on the Triton TRA001. An outstanding router. I've had mine for at least three years now IIRC.
Love the fence upgrade! Going to steal that. I’ve been trying to figure out what router will fit in my wing, it doesn’t have the extra drilled wholes. You think I just try older craftsman?
Looks like the triangle holes will work on the old craftsman’s, the four, large, odd ones I don’t know.
The four large holes seem oddly spaced, too.
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