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   Knotscott | Jan 27, 2006 06:02pm | #1

   My guess is that your referring to the Craftsman 22114 that's on sale through 2/4/06 with the 2 free blades after rebate? 

   If so, the GI has a bit of an advantage in the Biese fence, but there's a price premium of nearly $200 to get it.  The 22114 has the advantage of the cabinet mounted trunnions and some extra weight.  Otherwise both are functionally similar, with more minor differences. 

   Obviously the decision boils to down to which you like best....I'm a happy owner of a 22124 but also like some things about the GI.  Here's the scheme I would lay out to maximize the value of my expenditure ... :D .....  The last time I looked, the Biesemeyer 40" Homeshop fence was available on Amazon.com for $260 delivered after entering the discount code "SAVETO30".  I'd order the Biese, grab a 22114, sell the 22114's fence on Ebay (saw one go last summer for $175 new), and install the Biese on it for a premium of about $100.  Send in the rebate for the blades and have 3 blades in your inventory (including the stock blade), a nice stable 400# saw (including extra weight from the Biese) with a great fence and the easier to align trunnions for ~ $675.  You'd be fairly comparable to a 22124 for $180 less than the current sale price ($855), and $100 under the GI with nearly the exact same fence.  You might even find that the 22114's stock fence is sufficient...owners don't seem to complain about it much. 

   I'd also consider selling the 3 new blades on Ebay and buying a Forrest 40T WWII, DeWalt 7657, or Freud F410.

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   Edited 1/27/2006 10:21 am ET by scotty

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   woodwhisperer | Jan 27, 2006 10:21pm | #2

   Scotty:

    

   Thank  You for your reply. I was concern about the saw dust on the 22114, I heard some people have complain about it. How your experience has been.

   I also have a good INCRA Fence for the table saw.

   So the questions is do I need the 2HP from the Hybrid GI or 1.5 HP from Craftsman will be enough.

   Tito

    

    

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   Knotscott | Jan 27, 2006 11:53pm | #3

   DC in the Sears saws is very much like most other enclosed bases...much is dependent on the DC system, but it's better than that of a stock contractor saw, and typically at least as good as one that's been enclosed. The complaints I've read have mainly come from people wanting to know why there's still some saw dust in the bottom of the cabinet....look inside most Uni's and PM66's and you'll find some saw dust...it accumulates to a point, then plateaus. That's normal as far as I know, and suspect many of those complaints are due to unrealistic expectations. Some people have moved the motor cord out of the way a bit to reduce the build up. The idea is to prevent as much as possible from going above the table, there's usually very little concern for what collects below. Some percentage escapes above as with any saw, but the Sears do as well as most...all saws benefit from some above table DC as well. I do clean out the enclosure periodically, but haven't found it to be problematic at all. The The GI has the full enclosure plus a blade shroud that dumps near the 4" port, so I'd guess it would do slightly better than most. I'm not sure you'll see much difference in the 1/2hp rating. Good alignment and blade should make more difference than power. The Sears has an advantage in ease of alignment. The GI has an interesting dual drive stage that's said to improve torque. The motor is actuall only 11.4 amps, which opened it up to alot of scrutiny early on about the 2HP claim...many felt it was overrated. That may be the case as for as the motor itself goes, but that dual drive stage seems to work well enough to offset the potentially smaller motor...owners claim it has plenty of power. I have not had the pleasure of trying one out yet.If you've already got an Incra fence you plan to use, do you plan to sell the stock fences?FWIW, here's a link to a post on another forum from a guy who recently researched the hybrids, plus a link to my Epinions review of my 22124:
   http://sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?t=30174
   http://www.epinions.com/content_184778395268

   Edited 1/27/2006 7:05 pm ET by scotty