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   SteveSchoene | Apr 27, 2006 01:16am | #1

   Paint, using a light color, or use poly--here's a good place for poly.  The coatings will make it easier to keep down dust.  But don't get too carried away, you don't want slick floors, just enough to lightly seal. If you want a full finish on the floor, you should consider adding non-skid at key points.   

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   SantaBarbaraSawDust | Apr 27, 2006 01:20am | #2

   Dang Jon,

   You are in remission from what?

   I have two brothers who have died from two different types of cancers, 23 years ago(older brother) and 5 months ago(younger brother), I'm 49.

   Stop the pity party and start the table saw, when you can't do that any more, start the hand tools, there are plenty to use. When you can't do that anymore, design your ideas to be made by others.

   Enjoy.

    

   Terry
   Santa Barbara,CA
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   arkboy100 | Apr 27, 2006 01:31am | #3

   Terry,

   This sure isn't any pity party just pure happiness over beating off Stage 4 T Cell Lymphoma. The really nice thing is I got to retire early and can just make sawdust now full time.

   Jon

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   SantaBarbaraSawDust | Apr 27, 2006 02:13am | #4

   Understood.

    

    Terry
   Santa Barbara,CA

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   loucarabasi | May 04, 2006 02:12am | #31

   Congratulations on you kicking that cancers a$$. God bless you. Now go kick up some saw dust.

   You'll be in our prayers, Lou

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   arkboy100 | May 04, 2006 06:03pm | #33

   Thanks, Lou

   I never knew the power that is in your last phrase until the big C. Not only do I welcome those, I believe they work.

   Jon

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   hdgis1 | Apr 27, 2006 05:15am | #5

   Congrats on your remission!

   and if your looking for someone to help you use all of that sapce, I am new to the world of professional furniture making and would glady help you out!

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   cigarmike | Apr 27, 2006 04:15pm | #6

   Congratulations on beating the big "C". Now for my main comment: you lucky bum.

   I would need to fill this much space with some serious tools, preferably from Italy or Austria. Since you have teased us with this picture, you are obligated to show us some shop shots when you are done. As for the floor; a light-colored industrial  paint would really set it off, such as light gray or a brick color. And there are additives that can be added to the paint to give it some tooth, to make it non-slip.

   Stay save and watch those fingers.

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   arkboy100 | Apr 28, 2006 12:13am | #11

   Thanks for the reply and advice. I sure liked the contrasting colors of my former dream shop (see attached "prior to bringing in the tools")

   I'll set up some drawings and pictures as I go through the construction.

    

   Jon

   
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   BilljustBill | Apr 28, 2006 03:43am | #15

   Jon,

   You have one very nice workshop area.  I saw that you said you have a basement, but I was wondering what the cost of your workshop was and what is the going price per sq. ft. is in your area?

   Thanks,

   Bill

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   arkboy100 | May 01, 2006 10:13pm | #22

   Biil --

   There was an old basement foundation that we raised up 4 feet to give me 10 ft clearance under the joists. The foot print of the basement is 2088 sq ft and I added a 1204 sq ft apartment adjacent to the shop so total sq ft under roof is 3292. The apartment will be my poker room and "I can't stand you anymore" retreat plus extra room when the grandkids visit. It will make for some good rental property for my wife after I'm gone also.

   Now for costs! sssssshhh (I have to wisper now as other ears might be listening) I am budgeted for $75/sq ft and that is without architect, foundation or land but with radiant heat and 3 - 2 ton air conditioners, finished T&G 8" pine ceiling in shop area, maple hardwood floor in apt plus pretty nice kitchen and bath, and a 50 year commercial steel roof. If I can come in at budget, that won't be a bad price.

   This price does not include any work needed to secure and automate the front entrance to the property which I haven't finalized my thinking on. See attached shot of current entrance. Stay intune as I go through construction, I will be posting other pictures and explainations (and asking questions from all of you)

   Jon

   
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   dgreen | May 01, 2006 10:17pm | #23

   WOW very nice!! Have you budgeted for the team of wild horses your wife is going to need to drag you out of the shop??

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   WillGeorge | May 03, 2006 05:31pm | #28

   some good rental property for my wife after I'm gone also.LOL.. LOL.. THAT WAS SO FUNNY! She will problably use it to store your ashes! Never RENT it!Gee.. And byt the way.. The trees blocked the view!

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   aaronb | Apr 27, 2006 06:50pm | #7

   Jon,

   Good luck with the new shop, I just finished one about the same size and really enjoyed the process of planning and building it. http://forums.taunton.com/fw-knots/messages?msg=7043.1 I would go with paint on the floor. I don't know if epoxy would work, but that is an option i wish i had for done for mine.

   Aaron

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   arkboy100 | Apr 28, 2006 12:32am | #12

   Thanks for your reply and the link to your pictures. It looks like you are using a heat exchanger from Radiantdirect. The one I just purchased and not installed yet is a system from them using a Polarius 1000 water heater with plex -AL-plex run in Warmboard and am using only one zone. I am in much milder climate than you up in Minn so I won't need that much heat.

   I have always preferred my DC pipes to be run under the floor and in my new shop I have a full basement under it so I will be able to suspend my runs under the floor joists and come up through the floor as needed. I use an Oneida 31/2HP cyclone, plus in my new shop I will have a Bream Whole house vacumn with wall outlets in my bench area and paint roon. I find the dust from hand routing and sanding is more irritating then anything else and I'm always cobbling up hose attachments to sanders & routers with a noisy shop vac. This new system should be great.

   I'll post pictures as I get futher along. Your shop really looks neat and clean. If I hadn't found my property with an exiting basement (former house burned to the ground), I probably would have done the steel building type like you.

   Stay in touch and stay safe.

   Jon

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   aaronb | Apr 28, 2006 04:54pm | #20

   My radiant pump is from Radiant direct but my heat source is shown on the photo next to the pump. It is a Seisco electric miniboiler. It is about 10"x16" and about 5" deep. The board shown in the picture is my entire radiant system and is sized to heat the entire 2,000 sq ft. The seisco is an on demand boiler that instanatiously heats the water. Here is a link to my earlier post about it. I have been very happy with the performance and cost to run. http://forums.taunton.com/fw-knots/messages?msg=24307.1

   Aaron

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   sapwood | Apr 27, 2006 07:50pm | #8

   Paint the floor. If left natural that's too much wood. You'll never find that errant little wood chip or flake of veneer you need to glue back into place on a wood floor. (I've been there.)

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   arkboy100 | Apr 28, 2006 12:32am | #13

   Good point. Thanks for the tip

   Jon

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   Rennie | Apr 27, 2006 11:21pm | #9

   Other than telling you that I drooled while reading your post there is one thing I would advise you to do (or not do) do not use standard cool white flourescent lamps! Go the extra few bucks and use Daylight lamps. They will make your time in the shop feel better and your color vision will not be fooled when matching grain, applying finishes, etc. I have them in my shop and would never build another shop without them. In fact, I put them in my office at work - boy do I get comments!

   
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   arkboy100 | Apr 28, 2006 12:05am | #10

   Thanks for the tip on lighting. Been down that road befor and agree completely. The only different lighting I use is the high and low bay metal hiride in my machine area that has a vaulted ceiling plus task lighting.

    

   Your shop is really beautiful and sooooo clean. How many illegals does it take to keep it so clean? LOL

   Jon

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   Rennie | Apr 28, 2006 03:34pm | #18

   I wish I could say it is always so clean! I do, however, make a point of doing a top to bottom clean up after the completion of each project - so, it does look something like this several times a year. The pictures are several years old and there have been some changes - most notable is the selling of the Shopsmith (my first major power tool bought nearly 30 years ago) and the addition of an 18" band saw, 2 drill presses, and a disc/belt sanding center. I've also boubled the amount of lumber - people keep giving me free wood! Come to think of it, tomorrow is cleaning day as I have just finished some new furniture for our church.

   
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   mudman | May 02, 2006 08:37pm | #27

   "Your shop is really beautiful and sooooo clean. How many illegals does it take to keep it so clean? LOL"

   I can't believe you said that.

   Seeing that you are from Arkansas I can think of many nasty slams that could apply to you. But I have been to Arkansas and know that the prejudiced stereo types about Arkansanians are no more true than those about latino imigrant workers (illegal or other wise).

   And for the record my 2,000 sqft shop requires one "illegal" to help keep it clean. He also can layout and cut haunched double tennons, change jointer knifes and cut accurate dado/ rabbit joints for case work in one setup.

   Mike

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   arkboy100 | May 03, 2006 08:08pm | #29

   Hi Mike,

   Please stay light on the topic of illegals as I was. It was said in jest. Its a current topic of conversation all over the country and really so here in NW Arkansas, ortherwise known as Tyson Land! lol

   Matter of fact we probably do have alot of illegals, but most of our latino reidents(about 20% in our community) are legal. The Feds did a raid last year on two places and netted 12 eastern Europeans that were illegals. One of the guys who regularly uses a crew to help keep my "forrest" trimed, is a latino and he always tells me not to ask any questions, so I don't. He has been in the community for over 15 years and is a well known contractor. And so it goes.....

   Sure doesn't have anything to do with woodworking, so sorry I even wrote the above.

   Jon

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   mudman | May 04, 2006 05:49pm | #32

   Sorry to react so ...... harshly. I get tired of hearing imigrants (legal or otherwise) being slamed. I believe that your comment was tongue in cheek. I remember when Tyson got busted last year. I believe that it affected plants across the nation.

   mike

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   jeff100 | Apr 28, 2006 08:16am | #17

   Rennie, any chance of getting a closer view of your lumber rack?  I'm need to build one and the one you show in front of your big door, looks about the right size.

   Thanks,

   Jeff

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   Rennie | Apr 28, 2006 03:40pm | #19

   I believe I found the design in a magazine (not FW) published about 10 years ago. It's a simple design made from 2x4's. The arms and central post are 3 2x's face glued and screwed with the center piece being left out where the arms intersect to provide a mortise. Likewise, the center is allowed to run long on the arms to provide a tenon. Lots of hefty bolts and some very strong wheels round out the project. It has space for sheet goods on one side, and lumber on the other. I hold a lot!! (but I still have stacks on the floor!)

   Hope this helps. I'll try to get another picture up....if I can clear the stacks away!

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   BruceS | Apr 28, 2006 01:46am | #14

   RE: Floor paint,  I would recomend an epoxy paint.  I worked in a powerplant for 30 years,  with coal dust, cinders and ashes a constant menace and the epoxy paint held up better than anything else we tried.

   Enjoy your shop.

   Work Safe,  Count to 10 when your done for the day !!

   Bruce S. 

    

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   PlaneWood | Apr 28, 2006 07:08am | #16

   Well, mine would have a bed, a fridge, a potty, & a rocker-recliner.  Already got a TV, computer, and stereo system out here.  Oh yeah, and a door that locks from the inside.  I guess a shower might help too.

   PlaneWood by Mike_in_Katy (maker of fine sawdust!)
   PlaneWood

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    WillGeorge | Apr 28, 2006 05:45pm | #21

    called in all the guilt trip chips with the wife ..

    I did that once and she wanted to know what I was Up-To NOW?

    I just hugged her and asked for the check book...

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    arkboy100 | May 01, 2006 10:46pm | #24

    Hey, this is Arkansas....LOL; property tax will be about $600/yr and is frozen if you are disabled or over 65. ( Plus pensions and SS has no income tax on it. Come on down!! or up, depending where you are from).

    Jon

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   arkboy100 | May 01, 2006 11:02pm | #25

   Here is my shop layout showing the machine area, bench area, specialty wood and sheet goods storage, paint room and hardware room. The bench area has a 10 ft high ceiling underneath a messanine(sp) storage area, while the machine area has vaulted ceilings 28 ft high sloping down to 14 ft. The drawing attached shows current thinking on machine and bench layout but I will be installing the ducts for DC under the floor in the next 3 weeks so will have to be pretty exact by then. -----later

   Jon

   
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   BilljustBill | May 02, 2006 02:53am | #26

       Jon,

         I know when you close your eyes while in your evening easy-chair or when you put your head down on your pillow at night,  you've got to have a one great smile on your face!!!

       I'll be looking forward to seeing your updates !!   Looks like a great shop for the FWW annual "Tools and Shops" edition.....

       Bill

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   bldean | May 04, 2006 12:35am | #30

   I havn't read all of the posts but I did take a look at your shop layout. Nice peice of real estate you're going to have. I'm sure most of the people on this post are jealous. One feeling I had about your shop was the placement of your wood storage in realtion to your garage door. I know I wouldn't really want to be lugging my stock across my shop only to bring it back when I need it. Other than that please send some pics as the project progresses. Thanks and best of luck.  By the way congrats on beating the big "C".

    

   Leigh

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   arkboy100 | May 04, 2006 06:23pm | #34

   Thanks for your note, Leigh, and your comment on the wood storage. That has been a problem for me in my current shop and I wanted to get it right this time. (maybe I blew it again! LOL)

   I have about 10,000 BF of air dried quarter sawn hardwoods that I harvested myself over the past 15 years here in Arkansas and now that I had to give up my farm and move into a town, I need space to store my treasure. Not shown on the shop drawing is the apartment that with a 18x 24 deck mirrows the Wood/Paint/hardware wing. Under that deck is my lumber storage and air drying room. It has 12 foot ceiling and I will use Humity/temp controlled vent fans in there.

   The wood storage room in the shop drawing is for sheet goods and a pipe wood rack for purchased kiln dried lumber storage or raw lumber from my storage being acculmated for a specific progect.

   I have one of those great Kubota RTV that hauls 1500# and my plan is to use that to bring wood into the shop storage. It will come up a ramp outside the 10 ft carriage doors (that also has a dock plate space) and through the shop to the lumber area.

   Keep the comments coming as I already have logged 5 different items from you folk's suggestions.

   Jon

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   arkboy100 | May 07, 2006 02:16am | #35

   Its been raining just about every day for the past two weeks. Framers get some time in the AM but thats about it. The attached pictures show the sub floor (that shiney stuff is the Warmboard for the radiant heat. The pic marked Dry is a shot of the Wood drying room and garage wing of the basement.

   More to come....

   
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   OB | May 07, 2006 08:02am | #36

   Your framers are afraid of some rain. They wouldn't have a job here in the Pacific North West. So it rains the framing would continue & it would sit for a few days to dry out after it quite raining & other things could be found to keep them busy.  Give them the swim suits & tell them to get busy. I can say this I worked on crews in the rain in rain gear & kept right on going & the framing got done rain or shine. Seems this new breed of construction crew gets paid to much now days their not hungry enough. Maybe their finish carpenters too so they can get in out of the rain. But that would be rather strange because not to many framers can do finish work & build that square, level or plumb thats why we need finish carpenters so that window trim will be nice square &  plumb, level & interior doors square, level & plumb so the doors will work right.

   Forgive me I've seen some terrible framing & very poor foundation work which is where the nice level, plumb & square building starts.Good, better, best never let it rest until your good is better & your better best.