I am searching for a dust collector for a small weekend shop to run the following items: 6″ Jointer, 13″ planer, table saw, router table, etc. I am considering either the Grizzly 1028Z or the Delta 50-850. Does any one have any suggestions or comments for these machines or others dust collectors?
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Kevin, I have a SF 2 hp 110/220v model that works good in 220(110 use in a motor that large wants to kick the breaker all the time). My thought is go to large rather than to small.I looked quite a while before buying and.....I would bet big $$$ that most if not all are made in the same factory,than sent to different paint shops.If you line them up( also table saws,band saws,ect,ect,ect)they are all practicly the same! So if you want to pay for a name DELTA or whatever go ahead but it's probably just Brand X in a nice suit. my $0.02 SGB
Thanks for you help, and I agree completely about the brand x machines of the world.
I just can't help but mention the HF 2hp dust collector that can be bought for $119.
I have one. It sure ain't 2hp, but I bet it's close to 1 1/2.
This BB has a thread 50 pages long. Enjoy
http://www.forums.woodnet.net/ubbthreads/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=UBB2The proof is in the puddin'
nicobie,
I assume that the HF you are referring to is Harbor Freight which sells the DC these days for $160. I just want to make sure due to several others pieces of junk that I purchased at a low price but recieved poor quality tools and equipment.
Thanks for your help.
Kevin
Nope, they are still selling for $119 US.
If even one person trys out DC, it's a good thing.
Glad I was able to help. I guess.The proof is in the puddin'
Kevin
I did a lot of homework and came up with the Penn State. It already comes with the felt bags which are necessary to really filter small particles. You have to add at an additional cost with most other brands. That excludes the Jet on with the built on cannister.
I hook the 1 HP PS model to one machine at a time as I have it mounted on a mobile base. It's an excellent machine at a very reasonable price. I also added a separator and this is a big plus as it catches most larger sawdust before it hits the impellor. I am very satisfied and it sure makes a difference.
http://www.pennstateind.com
Good luck and have a look...
sarge..jt
I appreciate the advice and thanks for the photos.
kevin
OK, Sarge, now you really goofed. You've offered photographic proof that you really have a tool show room rather than a shop! (grin!!)
If the tidiness/cleanliness of your workshop is any testimony to the effectiveness of your dust collection system, then you should suggest that Penn State use your photos in their promotional literature. Yes, I've read your response on blowing out the shop with a leaf blower occasionally, but I really do mean all this as a compliment to your housekeeping.
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Dennis in Bellevue WA
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Dennis
Now, how do I explain this. Well, you did not get to see the wall lined with big saw-dust producers. I had to go on mobile bases as you guys on this forum have shamed me into buying(to keep up with you guys and gals, that's what I told the wife anyway<g>) more than the 900 sq. feet will hold. I even had to take an additional 600 sq. feet from the 1/2 basement in the rear of shop for assembly. All the dirt and dust gets sweep over on the opposite side of where your pointing the camera.
So now you understand that the shop is as cluttery and dusty as anyones. You do believe me now, correct? D*mn, where's Johnny Cochran when I need him. ha..ha..
Thanks my friend for the comps...
sarge..jt
That's a beautiful shop. Like to see more pics.
What are the mats on the floor? Can they be swept or do you have to vac them?
You must find that they help? Availability? Price? Sizes?
Thanks!
Fred
fred
Thank you for the compliments, sir. The mats on the far side are interlocks from HD. They can be had much cheaper from Sams Club, I found out later. 24" x 24" in a 4 pak for about $8.00. I paid around $15. The mats on the left are more of a man-made fiber. I have an old sheppard with arthiritis who slips on concrete.
The interlocks can be swept or vacuumed. If you stand in the back of the shop, you can blow them with a leaf blower by moving forward after opening the doors. The interlocks don't allow you to roll heavy mobile tools easily. Can be done though. Yes, they help when standing long periods. I seem to be getting softer these days. ha..ha..
Any questions that remain, just ask...
sarge..jt
Oh man!!!! You guys are killing me. DC's are going for $119 to $169. I paid $275 for my 'Total Shop' 1 1/2 HP 110/220 'Y' inlet and basis hose pachage about 14 years ago. Time, choices and competition have really effected the prices. Ahhh!! I guess I have to be happy about that, its all for the gooder.
Sarge, So thats what a clean shop looks like! Fess up, thats the cleanest its ever been, you worked for weeks before taking those pictures. Really, Nice spread and toys dude.
I have one large mat, I highly recommend them. Standing on concrete all day makes me hurt and feel old.
Enjoy, Roy
Roy
Thanks. Yes, the mat does help considerably. I can't stand on concrete all day without a lot of pain. I could walk all day, but being stationary is a different ball game.
sarge..jt
Sarge,
Your shop will pass any inspection! When my wife asks for my Christmas list next year I'm handing her your shop pics.
Seriously, it's a beautifully planned and constructed area. It looks like the ideal place to work. I'd say you gave a lot of thought to safety too.
Thanks very much for sharing your pictures.
And thanks for answering my questions on the matts. I'll check them out at Sam's Club. Looks what I need - my cement floor is getting to me.
Fred
Fred
Keep in mind I've been fooling with WW on a non commercial basis for about 30 years. I don't have to get in a hurry, so about 3 years ago I took the time and put a little organization to it. I don't have to go very far to get anything related to a tool as it's within steps. Ran 2 spearate 20 amps lines. One down each side with bucho (many) recepticles.
Yes, I believe in safety. You are the master of the shop and the biggest safety factor is you. Other things are helpful aids, but they are not a replacement for good ole common sense.
The nice part about the mats is you don't have to purchase all you need at once. I have them around the stationary power tools. I left lanes so I could wheel the other large sawdust producers to an area close to the door. Less clean up with that factor and it keeps much dust away from the heater flame in the rear.
I thought I had enough space, but recently I had to put most of what was stationary on mobile bases. I added a SCMS and I just couldn't leave it all stationary. I usually build my own bases, cabinets and stands for the power tools. Got bigger than my britches, so had to take an additional 600 sq. ft. from the 1/2 basement behind what you see for the assembly area. Wood rack is there also.
The good news is full approval from the First Lady. The bad news is she discovered I could build something round with a project I just finished for my part time work. I envision a honey-do list is in the works. ha..ha..
The mats are a real foot and leg saver. They will not totally eliminate the problem, but are 80% better than just the concrete..
Have a great day...
sarge..jt
Now that looks like a well planned comfortable work space!
jdg
jdg
Thanks for the compliment. I'm not much of a thinker by nature, but I did take a year and set it up the way I wanted. I got tired of chasing things around when I needed them. I work alone, so you know that a little planning helps solve some of those hold this, hold that conversations you have with yourself. ha..ha..
Pretty comfortable to work in. I did recently have to expand back in the 1/2 basement behind what you see. The wood rack was already there, but I had to move assembly for the most part back there when I was building the 40' counter.
I just mentioned your name over in that other thread. I also with-drew from it. I got friends and good customers down S. Louisiane way. I also got freinds here in Atlanta from England came over for the C-5-A project at Lockheed Aircraft here in Marietta, Ga. years ago. They just stayed.
In due respect to both, I with-drew. Go over and read it and I think you might understand my reasoning. I'm hoping you do anyway.
Thanks again and if I can help, give a shout. You aren't that far away.
sarge..jt
I don't recall ever being offended by something you've said. If I was - so what - that's my problem. And I'd get over it. So far it's been my experience with you that you've been nothing but a good ole wise southern boy (don't know about the ole).
On your suggestion that we're not that far away ->
Right. And I appreciate you recognizing that and putting it out. We're not that far, and I make it Atlanta way every now and then. And Richard's not too much further west. And there's been a few other posts from others - Ed from Miss, someone in Montegomery? maybe. I'd like to know other woodworkers, see thier work, visit shops, etc. I've pretty much just developed my interest out there alone in the shop and looking at antiques and magazines. It's been without the face to face influence of others. So I'm missing that sort of contact a bit and surely would be interested in meeting you and others.
Isn't there a big woodworking show there in Atlanta occasionally? Not "The Woodworking Shows" but another one? Annually is it? In April, August? I've heard about it but havn't made one. I'd like to. Do you know anything of that? If so, could you post info on it?
jdg
The big woodworking show in Atlanta is the IWF and it comes around every 2 years I believe.Tom
jdg
Tom from down the street answered you question about the big WW show. If I'm not mistaken it's every year as it also the showcase for maufactures to show their new wares to distributors. It's very large in the World Congress Center. The WW show's are this week-end here at Gwinnett Civic Center. About 9 miles from my home.
You have not offened me, quite the contrary. Read post#201 to Neimicek1 and you will understand. You probaly already have by now.
The big show here is either Aug or Oct.. October I think. That would be an excellent one to attend. Be happy to show you around Highland Hardware also. It has catered to the southern WW since the early 70's. It is quite a learning center as classes every week-end and bigger Seminars. I have seen Maloof, Frid, Klauz, Odate and Kresnov there over the years. If it's made anywhere and it has to do with WW, they probaly got it.
And if you come, bring some home-made Reaux. I just can't get it right like them good folks down southern Louisiana way do it. I can out-talk em, but I can't out-cook um. ha..ha..
Best Regards...
sarge..jt
I did a quick search. IWF is every two years in august. Next one is 2004.
http://www.iwf2002.com/AttendeeInfo/AboutAtlanta.aspTom
Tom
Thanks for the heads up. I though it was every year. I went last fall but missed the year before. I guess I didn't miss since they didn't have it. ha..ha..
I'm glad somebody close knows how to use this computer to the max. I'm kinda stupid with it. Fortunately my wife isn't and I get a little assist when the going gets rough. he..
Are you going to the WW show this week-end at Gwinnett Civic Center? Got to get back to the shop as got a project due out by Monday, then it's back to the real part-time job.
Have a good day, this rain isn't helping much.. Good news-better than snow.
sarge..jt
I'll be at the woodworkers guild booth friday from 3:30 to 7:00. I have a couple of peices on display as well. You gonna be there?Tom
Tom
Yeah, but not till Sat. or Sun. I will work through the nite and do my best to get over tomorrow. What's the initial of your last name so I would know who to ask for.
Or, if you're the only Tom ( I assume you refer to Ga. WW Guild), that's enough.
Regards...
sarge..jt
Last initial is W. I have a workbench, bed and a chair on display. Hope yyou can make it up there.Tom
Tom
Do my absolute best. I have a coat of laminate glue to lay. I need to get a haircut, but it has been side-stepped for 2 months now anyway. ha..ha...
You've probaly already on the way to the Civic Center at this point. They have a Bruce Springsteen concert next door later in the evening.
sarge..jt
Tom
You might look for the thread Kudo's to Tom from Knots in the cafe section. Seems jdg would need some pictures if you have any. Someone started a thread about your work and pics are required by the 11:00 o'clock news. ha..ha..
sarge..jt
Appreciate it. I'm going to try to make the IWF show when it returns and I'd love to visit Highland Hardware. I get their catalog - or I used to. Think I'll pass on this weekend's show. I went to the one in New Orleans a couple of weeks back and it sorta filled me up for the time being. Lots of vendors weren't there - sparse. I'm sure Atlanta will draw a much much bigger show though, which would be nice to see. The only other WW show I've seen was in Nashville a couple of years ago. I'd guess it was mid size.
jdg
jdg
The big one is a mind opener. They have all the latest as it is geared to the distributors. Let me know if you come this way.
Have a good day...
sarge..jt
SARGE,
I have a technical question about that separator lid on your DC. I know Rockler carries that style.
I have often wondered how much "jumps" the inlet/outlet gap. I've never seen one upside down to see if there is a flow direction diverter, or if it is as it appears.
I've built my own system and separator for my shop, but get inquiries about these types of separator lids.
Could you elaborate about the lid for me please?
Sonny
I will try to answer to the best of my ability, as I am not an engineer. The separator inlet and outlet are molded plastic that sit at an angle on both inlet and outlet. It looks like that would cause the cyclone action that would let it swirl in the can. The inlet air is forced to hit the side of that can. I would like to see first-hand, but I won't fit in there. ha..ha..
Let me use an example to give you an idea. I just built a 40' parts counter for my work. I used cheap yellow pine 1" x 12" lumber to rip into narrower pieces for the frame-work. I actually ripped about 900 or 1000 linear feet when all was said and done. I emptied the barrel on the separator 3 times when it was about 1/2 full. (45 gallons of sawdust made the barrels). The bottom felt 1 micron bag is coated partially on the sides and has about 1" fine sawdust in the bottom. Pretty efficient IMO.
Hopefully, that will give you a mental picture and an opinion can be made from that. I'm happy with the results. I can sure tell the difference in the air quality in the shop. BTW, I did install a mesh screen over the inlet side ti catch any large piece or screw that might accidentally come through before it hit the impellor. Is it necessary. I don't know. Am I into over-kill and precautious. You bet. he..
Hope this helps and have a good day...
sarge..jt
Sarge,
Thank You!
And it sounds like it works good.
I too have a screen in my homemade cyclone. All I get is "flour" in my bags. Mine is 1/8" round hole sheet metal I scrounged off an old electronic encloseure from the junk bin at work.
I'll use your experiance in future replies to folks.
Thanks!
Sonny
Sarge - re your description of the cyclone separator, Lee Valley now sells a clear plastic separator lid which would allow you to see the action and know when to empty. $38.95 http://www.leevalley.com Order for either 2 1/2" or 4" hoses.
Fred
fred
Wish I had known. That is an excellent idea. I kinda got the feel on when to empty on the other, but I would like to see what happens down there. Seems to work like a charm without seeing the evidence. But, as you I'm curious.
Now, I'm probaly gonna spend $39 on something I don't necessarily need. ha..ha..
Thanks and have a good day...
sarge..jt
I have a Delta DC like you mention.
But it is part of a shop collector system that is extensive. It has worked fine for me and got a top review in another magazine.
I did modify the inlet of the blower housing at the fan to open it up for a full 6" inlet from its stock 4" hole to the fan. Because I run a 6" line to my cyclone and a 4" from the cyclone into the shop were a Harbor Freight blower lives as a booster blower (dirty air blower, as they say in industrial applications) for the distribution piping in the shop.
I run 1 micron bags on the Delta blower as a final filtering medium. My system is what's called a "total loss system" as none of the air taken in is returned to the shop. (Where I live the weather permits me to do this.) So because of all of the above, my set-up is a hybred system (with the booster blower in it).
I like my Delta system just fine and would recommend it.
If I was just starting out though, I recommend a cyclone system to folks. They were out of my price range back then, so I built what I have. Many are available from different companies, in many HP and CFM ratings.
Being as I'm new here, I don't know if I'm allowed to post a link or not to my homepage. But I'll try. http://home.earthlink.net/~sonnypie/home.htm
This is a page about the Delta and cyclone. I maintain this personal webpage for folks to browse and take ideas from. There are no advertising connections to it.
Hope this helps.
Sonny
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