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1. 
   DCarr10760 | Sep 09, 2005 06:08pm | #1

   Hi Ceder,

   Look up and to the left and find the box that says "Show Discussions" change the value to "All" from "Show unread"  That may help.

   As for help with the Duckwork...

   Sorry, couldn't resist!

   DavidC

    

   
2. 
   fozz | Sep 09, 2005 06:51pm | #2

   Hi Cederworker,

   I've been thinking about dust collection but have done anything yet. What I am looking at is Oneida Air Systems: http://www.oneida-air.com

   As an aside, don't feel bad about having trouble navigating here. I find it is not as intuitive as all the other bulletin boards and forums I visit.

   Good Luck,
   Bill

3. 
   timberrattler | Sep 09, 2005 07:13pm | #3

   Dr.,

   I have a Clayton oscillating spindle sander that I am very happy with. Good quality, very quite.

    

4. 
   ram | Sep 09, 2005 07:21pm | #4

   I'm still using a stop-gap 1.5 HP single stage bag dust collector, and fervently wish to upgrade. Priorities, priorities, sigh... In my "research", I hear about two suppliers most often: Oneida (http://www.oneida-air.com/) and Woodsucker (http://www.woodsucker.com/). Both have fans and I've never heard a serious complaint about either.

   If you're of an adventurous bent and would consider building your own cyclone, you can read about Bill Pentz's research and design at http://billpentz.com//woodworking/cyclone/index.cfm. There is a maker of Bill's design for serious hobbiests at http://www.clearvuecyclones.com/.

   Hope this helps, -robert

5. 
   DIBL | Sep 10, 2005 04:13am | #5

   I have an Oneida system and I love it.  Relatively quiet and vibration free, good CFM suction, free help from the factory to design my ductwork layout, excellent separation of large particles keeps pleated filter clean for a long time, excellent performance of the 1 micron filter -- the thing and it vents directly back into my workshop and I get virtually no dust coming out of it.  My only regret is that they released a more powerful version of the model I bought only months after my purchase.

   -- David

6. 
   DonStephan | Sep 11, 2005 05:10pm | #6

   In addition to Oneida, there is also http://www.bluetornadocyclones.com

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   Daleinok | Sep 12, 2005 01:04am | #7

   Thanks Don the Bluetonardocylcone looks as if it might be good suggestion.  I'll be doing a quite a bit of comparison befor I buy, based on the cost.  The first thing I need to do is determin what size unit I need.  My shop is quite large as I have always heard the you wish you would have built it larger, so I built a 3,000 ft. shop.

   Do you have one of these units or are you just looking?

   Thanks

   Doc.

7. 
   jeffb | Sep 12, 2005 02:57am | #8

   I have recently added a mid-grade Delta dust collector to my shop, so it probably is not what you are looking for, but I wanted to suggest that you get something for over head air borne dust.  I have not tackled this yet, but my Delta does a good job with the dust that falls below my table saw, jointer, etc.  I now need help with the stuff that gets in the air.

   Jeff

1. 
   Archfella94 | Sep 12, 2005 10:23pm | #9

   Ceder,

   i have a dust gorilla from oneida air systems and it works wonderful. I would highly reccommend oneida-air systems to anyone looking to purchase a high quality dust collection system. Linda Nielson is the lady i worked with and she is wonderful to work with and is very helpful.. the phone number to onieda air systems is 1 800 732 4065 Ext 124.

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   Daleinok | Sep 12, 2005 10:34pm | #10

   Archeffa94

   Thanks for the update.I had written to onida last night and got a responce for her this AM.  What size unit do you have and what size shop?

   Thanks again

   Doc

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   Archfella94 | Sep 12, 2005 11:02pm | #11

   Doc,

    

   My shop is 24x36. about 900 square feet a small cry from yours. I have the following pieces of equipment hooked in to my dust collection system. drill press, band saw, 10" miter saw, 10" radial arm saw,router station, 1.5 hp shaper, floor sweep, mortising machine. The system i have is 2 hp and has plenty of pick up at the floor sweep that is located at the other end of the shop.

    

   Scott

1. 
   Daleinok | Sep 12, 2005 11:41pm | #12

   Thanks Scott,

   I am leaning toward toh oneita, only the 3 hp. commercial unit.  Have you heard or read much about the woodsucker?   These two are at the top of my list.

   Thanks

   Doc.

2. 
   Archfella94 | Sep 12, 2005 11:49pm | #13

   Doc,

    

   I don't know about the woodsucker, but if you give oneida air system you layout they will size the equipment a for you.. i am sure you won't be disatisfied.

3. 
   jim | Sep 13, 2005 10:36pm | #20

   Cederworker;

   I have the three hp commercial and it works great.

   I can have two blast  gates open and it will still take all my 22" planer can throw at it.

   My experience with Oneida, how ever, was some what less than satisfactory. My salesman repeatedly promised shipping and I just sat waiting for about two extra weeks. Twice he told me the unit was shipped and it was not. Then the freight co. lost my system.  Also, I was told the unit would fit in an area it would not.  It took a call to a VP to finally get it straightened out.

   I would consider Oneida again but would take a much closer look at competitors and insist on some sort of no broken promise deal.

   Regards,

   Jim

4. 
   Daleinok | Sep 14, 2005 01:42am | #21

   Jim:

   Sorry to here about the trouble in ordering,shipping, etc...  But sounds like the 3 hp Onedia is the way to go, by what most of the wood workers are telling me.  I would be interestes to know what equiptment you have on your DC.  You said that you have two blast gates open at one time didn't you?  What are the dimenations anyway.

   Thanks

   Doc. 

5. 
   jim | Sep 14, 2005 06:19am | #22

   Doc;

   I have the following equipment.

   10" saw w/5" outlet

   18" band saw w/4" outlet

   Shaper W/5" outlet

   edge sander w/4" outlet

   22" planer w/ 6" outlet

   37" drum sander w/ two 4" outlets

   16" jointer w/ 6" outlet

   misc outlet 4" for router table, drill press or what ever

   Also, I have  two floor sweeps.  When I have left two gates open it has been unintentional as I work alone. Sometime I leave the planer and jointer open working boards between the two.

   Regards;

   Jim

6. 
   morningwood | Sep 15, 2005 01:08am | #26

   Jim,

   I also had a problem with installing the Oneida cyclone. I have the 2 hp commercial and built a room I thought would house it, I followed the dimensions provided by Oneida and luckily built it oversize. Even with the extra dimensions the dust collector barely fits. Everything is installed and hooked up and this collector really rocks.

   Rob

    

7. 
   jim | Sep 15, 2005 01:59pm | #27

   Rob;

   Not exactly sure why it is so difficult to properly show dimensions. I too built to just slightly larger than their dims and system did not fit, it required a special elbow between collector and filter.

   Also, for anybody considering a system with access to a sheet metal shop. Filters can be purchased from Torit-Donaldson at a very substantial savings, but you need to take the time to properly compare them. Fabric filters are made by American fabric filter and can be custom made per application at reasonable cost.

   Regards,

   Jim

8. 
   PlaneWood | Sep 13, 2005 05:39am | #14

   Well, if at all feasible with your shop, I would suggest that you consider pouring a pad outside and setting the DC out on the side of your shop.  Make a little enclosure and cut holes in the wall for blast gates.  Also consider cutting about a 2'x2' hole in the wall for return air from the DC.  Put filters in the hole to catch the residual dust that always escapes from the bags.  This will prevent heated or air conditioned air from getting lost.

   This will keep noise and residual dust out of the shop.  If you have neighbors close by, then sound proof the enclosure.

   PlaneWood by Mike_in_Katy (maker of fine sawdust!)
   PlaneWood

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   Daleinok | Sep 13, 2005 04:57pm | #17

   That would be a great idea except I have a log house that is landscaped all around it.  My shop is about 30 yards in back of my house, and has alot of trees around it and would be hard to get around to empty. 

   Thank for your suggestion

   Doc.

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   PlaneWood | Sep 13, 2005 07:01pm | #18

   The next best thing would be to make an enclosure/closet inside your shop if there is room.  Cut a hole in the door and add filters for the return air.

   PlaneWood by Mike_in_Katy (maker of fine sawdust!)PlaneWood

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   Archfella94 | Sep 13, 2005 08:36pm | #19

   Doc,

    

   i have in floor radiant heat in my shop and found this is the most stable heat source for a shop. I also have a 60 gallon 240 volt compressor from craftsman and it does serve me well. i paid about 750.00 for the compressor. As far as the dust collector goes for a 2 hp complete system including the duct work and equipment connections it was around 3,000.00 for the complete system. Leigh is the best dovetail tool on the market in my opinion and expect to pay around 325.00 for it.

9. 
   mudman | Sep 13, 2005 06:35am | #15

   Hello Dr. Dale,

   Welcome to our comunity. While you are building a large shop, you may or may not need a big system (over 3 horse). I have a 1,000 sqft, shop but all my machinery is contained in a little over half that space. Even in most 2000+ sqft shops the machinery is contained in 700 sq ft with the rest being devoted to assemby and finishing. My point is that the size of your DC system is related to the requirements of the machines and the length of the duct runs. In a one man shop even the number of machines in not an issue since it is hard to run more than one machine at the same time by your self. So, we really need to know more about your shop. There are some very good books out there on the subject that will answer your DC needs most accurately.

   Mike

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   Daleinok | Sep 13, 2005 04:51pm | #16

   Hey Mike:

    

   Very good point, you are absolutely right I will have no more that two machines going at one time.  The length of duct work is probably the only concern.  I do have all my machines in an area of about 1600 - 1800 sq.ft.  I'm sure where ever the place I get my DC they will lay out the dimension and sizes of off shut duct work.  

   QUESTION ???  Where are the best prices on shop needs?  Oneita / woodsucker DC.  Adedia / Leigh dovetail jigs.  Mortising machines & tenning jigs.  spinel sanders. 

   I know that there is not a one size fits all, but if you have found these items and know what price they are please write back.

   I have not heard any one address air compressors 220 v.  I've put so much out already spent so much and need so much more I'd like not to over pay if you know what I need. 

   I really hate to think about but! what is the best way to heat a shop this size?  3,000, Could heat 2,000 sq.ft. while just a little heat goes to  the other 1,000 

   Thanks again

   Doc. 

   Edited 9/13/2005 10:06 am ET by cederworker

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   mudman | Sep 14, 2005 07:39pm | #23

   Most of the shops in my area (Dallas, TX) use kerosene forced air heaters. They look like a big tube with a gas tank. They will heat a very large area somewhat effeciently. Of course it is only really cold in Texas about 4 weeks. I would recomend seperating your finishing and maybe assembly area so you can heat them seperately. Remember most glue wont work in the cold and finishing in the cold sucks.

   If you are patient, E-bay is the best place to find deals on some things. Items like the dove tail jig you mention sell very high on E-bay so I'd get it on Amazon. Amazon consistantly has the best prices on new stuff. Look in your area for an aircompressor service/ manufacturer. All metro sized cities have them. They generally have rebuild units that are great prices. If you want to use the compressor for finishing get one with at least 10 CFM @ 90 psi. This will cost $400 to $600 new. If you will be using hi cfm tools (like a random orbit sander) youll need 14 CFM or more, about $800. The more expensive units in a given class will last longer between rebuilds, but most wood workers don't use their compressors enough to justify a top of the line unit.

   Gotta go,

   Mike

10. 
    tms | Sep 14, 2005 10:06pm | #24

    Hey Doc,

    Welcome to the site. You're sure to get a number of opinions here, the problem is make sense of it all.

    I have an Onieda 3HP cyclone, with snap together ducting bought from Onieda. I also had some trouble with shipping from Onieda, but from what I was able to determin, it was the Yellow Freight affiliate that was at fault, not Onieda. On subsequent shippments, and returns of uneeded ducting etc., they were careful to make sure that things went smoothly.

    I decided to go with a 3Ø system, since the power company only charged me $700 to put in the extra transformer and hookup. If you can get a deal like that, take it!

    I also have a 2HP, 3Ø , two stage, Seylor-Beal air compressor that I got from salvage. You can get some good deals on used 3Ø industrial equipment. I have saved my initial $700 several time over.

    Tom

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   mudman | Sep 15, 2005 12:32am | #25

   TMS

   where do you live? I was quoted $1900 to install the transformer and run the quad. The main lines are about 20 feet from the shop, so the installation could not be easier.

   Mike