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   nikkiwood | Apr 28, 2007 11:20am | #1

   Here is a link to a much expanded manual for the Domino written by Rick Christopherson:

   http://festool.home.att.net/

   Just scroll to the bottom of the page, , accept the terms, and you will gain access to the manual.

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   "It is what we learn after we think we know it all, that counts."

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   Justaccord | Apr 28, 2007 04:23pm | #2

   Charlie,

   I've just taken a look at your web pages -- excellent and helpful work for a new Domino owner such as myself. Would you mind posting them at the FOG as well -- they would come in handy.

   BTW, Jerry Work has completed a lengthy manual on the Domino that is now in final review by Festool before being released and together with Rick Christopherson's manual will solve the problem created by factory documentation.

   Dave

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   Hastings | Apr 28, 2007 04:48pm | #4

   Just:Why do you suggest that Charlie post this on the Felder Owner's Group?Just kidding! But there are two FOGs.Hastings

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   Hastings | Apr 28, 2007 04:45pm | #3

   Charlie:

   In addition to Rick Christopherson's manual, Jerry Work is near to completing an 80-page tome. See:

   http://festoolownersgroup.com/index.php?topic=530.0

   I had a quick glance at your site and I do not see anything that is markedly better than Christopherson's work. If you haven't already done so, you should post this over on the Festool Owner's Group. You should also read the post here called, "Domino Disease". Also a several posters there have produced a number of excellent videos.

   It would seem that your friendly competition has got there first! If you want to contribute something to the body of knowledge, might I suggest a number of controlled experiments on the strength of Domino joints versus their logical alternatives. There are folk here, for example, who wouldn't trust it for a chair. More empirical data in this regard would advance the state of the art.

   Finally, and I do hope you don't mind me mentioning this, but I find your style of prose a little too gushing. There is a lot of healthy scepticism here over this tool and I think many might feel that you are suffering from an overdose of the Festool Koolaid. There's a fine line between enthusiasm, which is good, and zealotry, which is not to so good.

   I have a Domino, and yesterday I put slots in the kitchen floor to "locate" a removeable side panel (for emergency access to utlilities). What other tool could have done that in ten minutes?

   Regards,

   Hastings

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   polarsea1 | Apr 28, 2007 09:26pm | #5

   Hastings,

   To critique the man's work, possibly more than a 'quick look' is in order. The next order of business would be to ask yourself what you are actually contributing to the conversation.

    

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   Hastings | Apr 28, 2007 10:06pm | #6

   Polar:I thought the contribution to the conversation was to alert the OP that there are number of other people engaged in publishing very similar guides, one of which I have used and the other that I am anxious to read. In addition there some excellent blogs and videos. There's a limit for these type of resources; maybe the OP has something new to bring, but it would be worth checking out he alternatives before embarking.I read enough in the site to form an initial impression, which is all you're going to get from most visitors. I wanted to warn him that his choice of prose rather put me off. As a sample of one, probably not that useful, but if others have similar reactions then he might want to change something.Are these not useful observations? He did ask for feedback n'est ce pas? In fact his exact words, "What I hope to get is some feedback on the info I've put up on the web".That is what I tried to do with the caveat that it was not exhaustive. I think initial impressions are useful, since they are the one's that matter most.There's less in this than meets the eye; so I am sorry you feel that my post didn't add anything. But isn't something better than nothing? So at least the OP can sort the "wheat from the chaff".Regards,Hastings

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   polarsea1 | Apr 28, 2007 10:47pm | #7

   Hastings,

   The site seems to be pointed at Domino owners and those who are contemplating buying the tool.  I found the various diagrams that he has on his site to be interesting enough to print up for future reference.  I'm grateful that he posted the link.

    

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   user-200815 | Apr 29, 2007 08:35pm | #8

   WOW!I didn't intend to get anyone upset, with me or anyone else.Some reponses to the reponses my post triggered:Fisrt - I'm petty thick skinned. If you hang around in rec.woodworking very long you develop thick skin if you didn't already have it - or wander off to some calmer group. So I wasn't put off by the comments about "gushing" or "zeolotry". I'm "enthusiastic" about woodworking in general and I'm more than "enthusiastic" about the DOMINO. Maybe "evangelical" is a more apt term for my post about the DOMINO.I took the critique as it was intended - feedback that I asked for - and got. Much appreciated. Now about the content - the info provided . . . Did it make sense? Did the diagrams and photos and other illustrations convey the info adequately? If you were interested in learning more about the DOMINO would you bookmark this stuff and come back later to examine it more closely? I spent too many years reading dry, "objective" - and boring computer applications manuals. The teacher in Ferris Beuhler's Day Off guy would drive me up the wall - monotine voice, no facial expressions, no gestures - and a bow tie.My "style" of writing is more conversational than professorial. If I'm excited about something that should come through loud and clear - perhaps too loud and maybe way too clear. When it comes to instructions - I'd rather the instructor assume I know nothing about the subject than to assume I know almost as much about the subject as he/she does. Too much critical information doesn't get mentioned because it's assumed to be "common knowledge" that "everybody knows".My objective is to get a reader to say "I understand - at least most of what he's trying to get acrossed" AND "Hell, if even this guy can do it, maybe I'll give it a try.". (note the lack of an exclamation point at the end of the last quote? Don't want any gushing in that example). Between the illustrations / diagrams and tables and the text to go with them - or visa versa - I hope I've provided some useful info in a useful way.To FOG - I've applied to one of the two that are apparently out there and will post DOMINO stuff there as well.I did manage to download Christopher's 24 page pdf format manual. For some mysterious reason I can only print one page at a time. But from just viewing the pdf version I learned a good deal more about the DOMINO and look foreward to the 80 page version.If you want an example of a great owner's / user's manual try and check out the Yahoo Felder Owners Group. Hardbound, glossy paper, with table of content AND index - over 200 pages if I recall correctly. Everything and anything you ever wanted to know, and things you wouldn't even think of about Felder Combination Machines is probably in this $60 or $70 BOOK - and that's a "member price".
   I own a combi - a Robland X31 - can't afford a Felder.Will post an illustrated example that hopefully gets acrossed
   some of the handy capabilities built into the DOMINO. That
   will be a separate thread.Got to get - helping a friend put in some fence and gate posts.luego (that's "later" for the english only readers)charlie b

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   MatthewSchenker | Apr 30, 2007 12:01am | #10

   Charlie b,
   You wrote:
   "To FOG - I've applied to one of the two that are apparently out there and will post DOMINO stuff there as well."I happen to be the owner/administrator of the Festool Owners Group. Just let me know if you need assistance posting Domino information. We have numerous discussions going on regarding the Domino, including the development of unique jigs and techniques. Your information would be welcomed.Thanks,
   Matthew

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   RGJ | Apr 29, 2007 09:20pm | #9

   I think a thank you is in order for your effort. Nice job. I love this tool as well.

    

   Thanks, RGJ

   We only do this once. Enjoy the ride.