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   notDusty | Jun 18, 2006 06:02pm | #1

       Hi C .            When you say the doors will be inset 1 full inch , are they 1" thick ? not sure I get that .

   As far as hinges , the hinges used on bifold doors ,I know them as  mortise hinges require no mortise and only take 1/16th " of space , you can  use a high quality butt hinge , sewing machine lid hinges can be flush mounted  in the back side of the doors as well .

              hope this helps             dusty

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   citrouille | Jun 18, 2006 07:25pm | #2

   Dusty,The doors will be set one inch inside the frame of the unit.
   I am not asking about the set of hinges from door to door but the set that connects the doors with the flip slide.C.

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   sapwood | Jun 19, 2006 07:58pm | #3

   I'm not sure what you are trying to do. I've never encountered a door that was both bi-fold and flipper.

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   John_D | Jun 19, 2006 09:21pm | #4

   I've never encountered a door that was both bi-fold and flipper.

   Me either, but it's a clever idea.  Today's TV screens are getting quite wide, but not deep, so this could be a great way to get full-width doors fully recessed in a shallower cabinet.My goal is for my work to outlast me.  Expect my joinery to get simpler as time goes by.

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   citrouille | Jun 19, 2006 10:05pm | #5

   John, that is exactly what I am trying to accomplish, (I guess I should have tryed to express myself more clearly but there is a language barrier here).
   I have some ideas but I am sure there is someone out there who has the kinks all worked out.C.

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   notDusty | Jun 20, 2006 01:32am | #6

   C ,         Several possibilities , one you could make the bi folding door or doors narrower then the sliding door to clear the standard Euro hinge ,or  have you considered using a Tambour either horizontal or vertical halves ?

                     dusty

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   citrouille | Jun 20, 2006 01:46am | #7

   Two good ideas, Dusty, but both would compromise the design.
   I did find a "cranked hinge" from White Chapel that will do the job quite well and is of very high quality (very important).Thanks,C.

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   sapwood | Jun 20, 2006 05:44am | #10

   I'm somewhat familiar with that cranked hinge, but cannot visualize how you might adapt it to your situation. Can you elaborate?

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   sapwood | Jun 20, 2006 06:05am | #11

   OK, I couldn't let it rest. Is this what you have in mind? You could mount the carrier panel with drawer slides. They'd never be seen. I think it'd work.

   
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   Bolts | Jun 20, 2006 10:26am | #12

   The pocket door hardware sets I've mentioned work in a similar way except they are all ready to be mounted the hinges usually come with them.You can make it fool proof but not idiot proof 

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   citrouille | Jun 20, 2006 01:49pm | #13

   Sapwood,If i was able to post pictures on this forum I would have posted what you just did, with the exception that the leg of the hinge that goes to the carrier is straight.Thanks,C.

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   John_D | Jun 20, 2006 01:47am | #8

   I guess I'm not sure what issue you're running into.  Have you looked at standard pocket door hardware?  I don't see why you couldn't install a bifold door on such a hinge, it has no "knowledge" of anything other than the outer edge of the door.My goal is for my work to outlast me.  Expect my joinery to get simpler as time goes by.

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   Bolts | Jun 20, 2006 04:12am | #9

   Hettich the European company make adjustable  Bi fold hinges that go into 35mm bores they might work try the Hettich America web site. They are called(Folding door hinge with offset pivot opening angle 180deg).order No.046 787 Ps A flipper door pivots o/head to have the doors go into the ends of the cabinet they are pocket doors you need the appropriate pocket door hardware set from who ever you are comfortable with ,Hettich,Hafele, Blum Accuride .,etc 

   Regards John B

   You can make it fool proof but not idiot proof 

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   Dave45 | Jun 20, 2006 03:42pm | #14

   I did bifold flipper doors on an entertainment center a couple of years ago and got all my hardware from Rockler (http://www.rockler.com).

   Because of really tight clearance issues, I mortised bifold hinges (see picture) into the door sections but they could be surface mounted if you have the room.

   
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   citrouille | Jun 20, 2006 10:53pm | #15

   Dave,
   My original question was about the hinge connecting the outmost door to the flipper rail.
   Your inmost doors must be narrower than the other ones because you have European hinges there. My doors must be of identical width and must sit flat against each other therefore excluding the Eurohinge.Thanks for the input anyway.C.