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1. 
   saschafer | Sep 14, 2007 05:25pm | #1

   I'm having trouble reconciling "full overlay" with "conceal the doors within the carcass." I can't picture what that would look like.

   -Steve

    

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   JohnG | Sep 14, 2007 05:34pm | #2

   If the door is full overlay, it would be too large to slide into the opening.

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   ring | Sep 14, 2007 07:29pm | #3

   I really feel uncomfortable about using these words, because you never know, but I do believe that "it can't be done". You've got a contradiction in terms. By definition, the door overlays the cabinet size and therefore cannot fit inside it at the same time.

   David Ring

   http://www.touchwood.co.il/?id=1&lang=e

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   oldusty | Sep 14, 2007 10:26pm | #7

   David and All ,

                    I've seen those listed in the specs but have never used the overlay feature .  Looks like the pivot point or aspects of the system are modified like your trick on 3/8" lipped with standard parts Euro hinges .

              A new trick for old Dogs .

                                             dusty, The angular box maker

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   ring | Sep 14, 2007 10:32pm | #8

   Yeah, the pivot point can be gotten to work, but a full overlay door is taller than the cabinet.  The height can't fit inside...

    David Ring

   http://www.touchwood.co.il/?id=1&lang=e

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   oldusty | Sep 15, 2007 03:05am | #9

     I think when they say full overlay , the edges fully overlaying , not the height is what they are talking about .

       What happens as you know , is the pocket doors become flush / inset , and sometimes the other doors or drawers may not be inset . This edge overlaying feature can allow say, a pair of doors over another pair. 1/4" horizontal  reveals , they would look the same , without being inset .

                   Hey David how are you at angular cabinets ?

                                  dusty

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   ring | Sep 15, 2007 09:41am | #10

   Hey David how are you at angular cabinets ?

   Hi Dusty,

   Well, I've done some nightmare angular cabinets at times.  We did a huge job last year for offices in Manhattan that had a 15' run of cabinets which was angled at 7°  -  the top sloped down at the same time that the depth of the cabinets decreased continuously by 7° !  Since it all had to be taken down and shipped in pieces, it was quite a headache.

   What've you got?

    David Ring

   http://www.touchwood.co.il/?id=1&lang=e

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   oldusty | Sep 15, 2007 06:42pm | #11

        David ,

                        Over the years I've built some angular stuff as needed , this started out a normal entertainment corner tv sectional ,,,except it changed into a say 48" wide tall cabinet set diagonally across the corner of the room , then one of these little strangeozoid shaped cabinets on each side .

          It did take some head scratching but the hardest part is bout over , ready to glue the faces to the boxes .I glued the angle face members before assembling the face,the wood is still in a rough state in these photos.

                    dusty

   
4. 
   brad805 | Sep 14, 2007 07:36pm | #4

   How about these? 

   http://www.leevalley.com/hardware/page.aspx?c=1&p=48629&cat=3,41305,55408&ap=1

   If not, suggest you check out Hafele or Hettich to see if they can accommodate.

   Good luck

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   metalspinner | Sep 14, 2007 08:09pm | #5

   Hmmm...

   I guess the "full overlay" as described in my first post relates only to the hinge side of the door overlaying the cabinet side 3/4". Sorry to confuse things with poor descriptions.

   Brad805,

   The desciption by Lee Valley in the link you posted is a bit misleading because it mentions full overlay hinges, but is used for "inset doors only."  These are the hinges and slides I was going to use, but then after closer examination realized they were for inset doors.

    

   After some more digging with Google I found these...

   http://wwhardware.com/catalog.cfm/groupid/Pivot%20Door%20Hardware/catid/KV8091%20Full%20Overlay%20Heavy%20Duty/showprod/1

   Has anyone used these before? Or have another brand to recommend?

   Thanks!

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   saschafer | Sep 14, 2007 08:36pm | #6

   "The desciption by Lee Valley in the link you posted is a bit misleading because it mentions full overlay hinges, but is used for 'inset doors only.'"

   You might want to check with them, because I think these may be what you want. Your doors are "overlay" on the vertical, hinge-side edge, and "inset" on the horizontal, top and bottom edges. When LV says that they're for inset doors, they may be referring to "top/bottom inset" rather than "inset all the way 'round."

   -Steve

    

   Edited 9/14/2007 1:37 pm ET by saschafer