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   RickL | Jun 07, 2004 02:27am | #1

   http://www.microsi.com/prod-fcls.html

   These folks have some kind of copper adhesive that looks interesting.

   http://www.chmetal.com/index.html

   You might sell them on this companies metal laminate as they have the glue thing figured out. The other advantage is it's prefinished and works with regular laminate tools. What kind of finish do they want on the copper? It's not going to stay nice and shiny especially in a bar setting.

   I've done a fair amout of metal laminating and mechanical fasterners are the best way to go. I've also glued a lot of stainless to substrates with Epoxy.

   You could also check with adhesive companies like 3M for suitable glues as well as the Epoxy companies.

   Edited 6/6/2004 7:50 pm ET by rick3ddd

   
   

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   Edited 6/6/2004 7:57 pm ET by rick3ddd

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   nikkiwood | Jun 07, 2004 02:44am | #2

   One of my suppliers, Jaekle Minnesota, has just started to carry a line of foil covered laminates -- including copper. The manufacturer has obviously found a way to glue copper to a substrate, so clearly an adhesive does exist.

   However, your life would be really easy if you could find a way to adapt this material to your design -- since you can handle it just as you would conventional laminate.

   If that seems promising to you, and if you cannot find the product info on your own, reply back here, and I'll get the particulars for you.

   EDIT: Rick3ddd posted his reply while I was writing mine. The link he offered (for Chem Metal) is the very stuff I was talking about.

   
   

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   Edited 6/7/2004 12:48 am ET by nikkiwood

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   sawdust50 | Jun 07, 2004 07:16am | #3

   Hey!

   I have done copper and aluminum on hardwoods by using polyureathane

   construction adhesive.  After I made sure the metal and the substrate surface (the hardwood) were tightly matched in profile and shape, I wiped the surfaces with mineral spirits before spreading a thin coat of the adhesive on the wood.  It helpe to"scrub" the back of the copper with a green 3M pad.  Then I placed the copper on the surface and used a laminate roller to futher compress the bond area.

   Use the poly adhesive sparingly in the middle, but a decent bea around the edges.

   try it on scraps first to get the hang of the amount of adhesive to use for the area to be attached.

   good luck

   duster

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   JoeWood | Jun 07, 2004 05:17pm | #4

   I've also used Poly for gluing copper. Remember to intriduce a little moisture.

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   JerryPacMan | Jun 07, 2004 06:42pm | #5

   Copper-Bond is an epoxy that is made for gluing copper.  I would guess it have no trougle sticking to wood.  Be aware that it dries fast and is very hard when dry.  McMaster-Carr stocks Copper-Bond.  Formica makes a copper laminate that could work for your project.

   http://www.noblecompany.com/copper.html

    

   Life is what happens to you when you're making other plans .

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   PlaneWood | Jun 07, 2004 06:58pm | #6

   I've sent that company some email to inquire about Copper Bond's ability to adhere to brass.

   PlaneWood by Mike_in_Katy (maker of fine sawdust!)PlaneWood

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   RickL | Jun 07, 2004 09:29pm | #7

   Just got off the phone with the tech about copper-bond. It will not work with wood. It will work with some other metals , brass included, which it should as they share a common base metal.  She got an email  from someone, I think the next poster but it was a bad address so it came back.  It's been around for 20 years or so and designed for hard to get to areas.

   Edited 6/7/2004 4:43 pm ET by rick3ddd

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   RickL | Jun 07, 2004 09:43pm | #8

   Dave I suggest you get them to go with samples of stuff that will work.  Most all the laminate companies make some kind of prefinished copper type laminate. It's got a real finish on it not to mention  a protective coating and works like any laminate.  If they are loaded and insist on the real thing glued  up I'd do some tests with various glues and see what works. Use the techs at the adhesive companies.

    You were never too clear on what the ultimate finish they wanted would be.  Another much more complicated issue in my opinion and experience. Many clients think you can stop time and it will have the same look.  Metal tend to change over time and copper certainly can run the gamut.  

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   djpp | Jun 10, 2004 06:47am | #9

   thanks everyone, I appreciate the help.

    yes, they are loaded and and were hoping it would always look like a shiney penny. all I can do is let them know it will age and require a lot of maintenence. 

    I think I have decided on a two part, low viscosity epoxy. I tried samples of the low visc, marine epoxy,rc7, and poly. the low visc had the best adhesion after 48 hours the thinnest glue line and was easiest to work with.

                                thanks again, Dave Peschio

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   JohnWW | Jun 10, 2004 04:37pm | #10

   Dave,

   I would check with the maker of any epoxy you use to be certain that the epoxy works with copper over the long term.  Epoxies have a bad habit of forming a strong bond with certain metals initially but drastically losing joint strength a few months later.

   John W.

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   AlanTurner | Jun 10, 2004 09:16pm | #11

   Dave,

   A year or 2 ago I saw a David Marks show where he was making a copper covered something, and he glued it, I think with epoxy. You will find him and his shows on the web and might benefit from his experience.

   Alan

   http://www.alanturnerfurnituremaker.com