For those of you who are not IT savy, I recently had my identity stolen. Yes I went from a mild manner rampant poster who was trying to retire to someone called Slim Eball.
Not only did they post rude and proposterous messages on this bulletin board in my name but they also invaded my business information, hacked my website stole my email and credit card information.
Thankfully, someone sent me an email and chewed me out. It started me looking and the result was that I found the problem and was able to hault it.
It took me until now to get things to the point that I now fell safe comming back to this site., (albeit an hotmail account with no ties to my business). I do know who did it and I will deal with that legally. The process for that is in progress at this time.
For anyone who was affected by this, I feel badly. I wish I felt as if I should apologize but since I did nothing to cause this, all I can say is that I am sorry that someone out there feels the need to act in such a manner. I just hope they are not truly Woodworkers and rather, just a low life son of a gun who has nothing better to do than try to make others lives as miserable as their own.
For those of you who are IT savy, it was a Microsoft Outlook 5.0 attack in combination with Windows 2000 terminal server. They were on my system and using all of my saved identities. The minute they touched my credit card information it became a Federal Offense. An investigation is underway right now. This post is part of that investigation. Fair warning.
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Steve/Slim/JS123-
Yeah, right.
Sorry, Donald C. Brown, you obviously have a problem. Thank you for narrowing the search.
And what would that obvious problem be, in your opinion?
What does my opinion matter to someone like you? Spattering like this was has no meaningfull purpose. Had you experienced a few days in hell like I have, you would know.
You offered the opinion that I obviously have a problem. I assumed you had something in mind, and I was curious about the problem you had identified. If you had nothing in mind, then so be it.
JS123
I recieved your message 51 from What's Wrong With This Picture asking me to go to this thread and read explanation! I know absolutely nothing about computers as I was only introduced about 2 weeks ago. I ask my wife who is a programmer for an assist on your explanation. She advises that it would be highly un-likely. What would be the logic of someone using your idenity to post on this Forum?
If you are not the person that made the comments you should not feel guilty! If you are you are a sick puppy!!! If I were you and what you say proves to be true, I would be more concerned with my credit card statements at the end of the month!
I will leave this one to our highly qualified MIS guys! I'm sure they will figure it out. Meanwhile I've got to try to figure out if all these accessories I have in my shop are jigs or fixtures. They work well and seem to be safe---But I Just Don't Know!
Good luck with the prosecution..
Sarge.
Steve buddy, don't ever change - you are too funny!
Don't you know when to stop?
I'm sorry, I have no sympathy. You rant and rave about how great you are, but you belittle anyone else with a suggestion or a new idea. I am not buying that someone stole your taunton press Fine woodworking ID and plotted this chaotic plan to make you look bad. Maybe you should enjoy the read only discussions and let the rest of us that want to talk about woodworking use the forum without your snide little comments.
Steve Robinson
When the "Guess Who" post was put up, I did a little checking of my own.
(For the benefit of anyone who didn't see the post, it was a photograph of a woman with grotesquely enlarged breasts, under the caption 'Splinter Groupie')
The 'View Source' option gave me the code for the page, which showed me that the picture came from your web-site and that notification of any replies to the post should be sent to your e-mail address.
A visit to your web-site showed the picture with the caption 'Splinters' in your photo Gallery.
A comparison of the time when posts were made by Steve Schefer and Slim Eball some one and a half hours apart with the visitors record shows that the only one logged in during that time was Slim Eball(SSCHEFER)
Now you are asking us to believe that all this (which was entirely consistent with your previous behaviour, by the way) was the work of a hacker -- and, presumably, all the other offensive posts in your name/s.
You are also asking us to believe that you, who post every day on this board, didn't spot this for 2 or 3 days.
Incidentally, perhaps Danford Jennings would now like to comment on his sniggering approval of the 'Guess Who' picture.
Edited 8/5/2002 3:25:38 AM ET by IANDG
Excellent analysis. Bravo!
Do you suppose Steve's coomputer ineptness in disguising his identity by simply saying "I'm someone else" is related to his retirement as a self-styled Information Technology Consultant?
We have been treated to the Information Technology version of "My dog ate my homework" or "The Devil made me do it."
Rich
"When the "Guess Who" post was put up, I did a little checking of my own.(For the benefit of anyone who didn't see the post, it was a photograph of a woman with grotesquely enlarged breasts, under the caption 'Splinter Groupie'"
hey Ian where the splinter hooters at????? (Yea I know I have a sick sense of humour sometimes) Darkworksite4: When the job is to small for everyone else, Its just about right for me"
hey Ian where the splinter hooters at????? Thank you Ron, for making my point better than I ever could.
Edited 8/5/2002 10:15:21 PM ET by IanDG
IanDG-
Are we absolutely sure that Taunton, or Prospero, or the FBI, or someone or something hasn't removed Steve from the scene? He disappeared as Steve Schefer for a day or two after taking a lot of pounding about his childish behavior on the jigs and fixtures thread. Then he reappeared as Slim Eball and posted a few times, one of them the reprehensible Guess Who? picture. That thread disappeared very quickly (we don't know who removed it), but so did Slim Eball. If I had an inquiring mind, I'd wonder if Steve wasn't invited to take his custom to some other venue.
After a pause of a couple of days, Steve, returned under yet another alias, this time having figured out how to use a new name without having it linked to his old one. But we haven't heard from Steve the past couple of days. Considering his compulsion to post almost continuously, this is uncharacteristic behavior. Has he been blocked from Knots? Has he been spirited off by the very people who stole his identity? Perhaps they stole his soul, also.
I'm convinced he'll be back under one alias or another -- as someone mentioned in this thread, he's done this before.
First of all you are an outright liar. If there was a Federal Investagation into this you would be told to shut up, say NOTHING and do NOTHING. Instead you come in here and blab about it, that will alert the person(s) who did this to stay offline for a few weeks. If in fact you did get hacked, it was because YOU download a unknown program that transmitted all that info to the supposed hacker. Do me and everyone in here a favor and find someplace else to post your dribble.
Steve/all other A.K.A.s you use-
Your pants on fire yet?
Dave and Donald. You are absolutely right. The guy is a liar. His story of being hacked is pathetic. An attempt at sympathy or a diversion from the Slim stuff.
What a fool. Wacked, not hacked.
Rich
An investigation is underway right now. This post is part of that investigation.
Slimeball:
I'm sure the FBI is holding its breath waiting for your analysis.
Please tell us how Don's post "narrowed the search". Maybe the FBI knows he's been a dear friend of mine for many moons, which could explain why they haven't contacted me for any info in this matter.
Others:
Thanks for ripping Steve a new one. It isn't usually my style to go to the authorities, but in this case i emailed some of TPTB at Taunton when the "Guess Who" thread was brought to my attention. Tim was gone during this time and recently sent me a nice letter on his return--thanks, Tim. Before that, all i got was a response from the editor with the analogy that Taunton only supplies the phone booths and what people choose to write on the walls doesn't interest them, though they will delete posts they deem offensive, eventually.
Unfortunately, they don't delete offensive posters, since Slimeball is still with us.
Splintie,
A slimeball, yes. But censorship is a worse offense than anything he's done. I abhor censorship, for any reason.
Why censor him? Words cannot harm. We don't have to read his messages, and he only solidifies the opinions that others hold by his continuing idiocy.
At worst, he is comic relief.
Rich
Rich,
This wasn't just words -- the picture was calculated to hold Splinter up to ridicule before her peers. It was also sexist -- the sort of image that, if it were circulated within a work environment, would have entitled her to damages -- I am appalled that Taunton treated her complaint so lightly.
Words can harm -- that's why we have laws against Libel and Slander.
Edited 8/5/2002 10:23:47 PM ET by IanDG
In the end, one is either a gentleman or one is not. My wonderful old Grandfather used to say,"Meliore uno huomo nobile morte, che uno porco che viva."
Frank Biscardi
One is either a gentleman or not. That says it all.
We all know that Steve is definitely not. And every time he posts it is more obvious.
Just ignore him. Attention is what he desires. He's pathetic.
I remain opposed to censorship. It is a very slippery slope.
Rich
I abhor censorship, for any reason.
I too, abhor censorship, but i love reason more. (I notice as i type this i'm wearing a t-shirt printed with the First Amendment.)
This wasn't a toothpaste polishing debate gone crazy, but an extreme expression of denigration of women. Is it any wonder only two woodworker women post here? If this truly were the workplace and i got the same response, i would hang Taunton's hide on the fence for fostering this environment both here and on Breaktime. Is my participation voluntary? Certainly, just as a woman is free to get another job if she objects to having her butt pinched. Still, the courts upheld the right of a person not to be harrassed at work.
I contracted with FWW for an article to be presented online. I have a website (currently hidden) under the name splintergroupie. I used to refer clients and acquaintances to this board. I really don't need the kind of interest or response expressed by the likes of Nanasy/Ron Teti/Danforth Jenningses of the world in my professional world, nor do i need the embarrassment and explanations. Just bec Steve is stupid doesn't make him harmless.
Splintie,
I didn't see the offensive post and I feel bad for the pain that it caused. It is not right, it is not desired it is hateful.
I, among many others, have been the target of hateful thoughts and words from others from time to time. Unfortunately, such is life, at times. The recipient of slander has the right to ask for compensation when slander has occured. That's what we have a legal system for.
Censorship is not the answer and it causes other, more horrible consequences. With all it's warts, the (relative) right of free speech is part of our Bill or Rights.
Rest assured that the hateful opinions that slanderers unleash are not shared by others just because they hear them. The hateful words only reinforce their negative opinion toward their source.
The best thing that we can do toward these jerks is to exclude them from us by ignoring them. But when you advocate censorship, you ultimately find yourself in a society that judges first, questions never, condemns frequently and oppresses most.
The decision is not ours, anyway, and Tim may have already tried to remove him from the forum. That can't really ever be effectively enforced, if one has any knowledge of computers and networking. And it is actually fraught with 1st ammendment problems if the bannnished one ever wants to really fight.
Don't let that jerk get to you.
Rich
Believe me, with the present precarious state our Bill of Rights is in, i don't take a loss of liberty lightly. Even the shunning you prefer accomplishes many of the objectives of censorship. (I'm thus far on the losing end of a battle trying to convince the cooksters of that.)
Self-discipline is best, but failing that...well, it looks like the job got done anyway. If Don Brown weren't here, i would be tempted to make a smilie face.
All this is pretty amazing, even more so considering the high regard in which Mr. Shaffer previously held himself. Perhaps this is evidence of a "Knots burnout syndrome" or something along those lines.
Splintergroupie, don't think too badly of Mr. Jennings. Everyone makes mistakes, and whereas the initial post seems to have been malicious I would bet the comment from Mr. Jennings was just an attempt at comraderie. He is a long-time contributor to the forum and his positive contributions still outweigh this boorish incident many, many times over.
Steve, from the sound of things we know your personal life is taking a change - but -you know better then to act like a troll in this forum. I told everyone about your computer IP's and even MAC numbers that can be very easily traced to the source. This is a forum of information for everyone from the best to the least. Plenty of other places to participate in adolescent behavior. Straighten up and come back and post not just to answer but to have some meat...Pike...
Splintergroupie,
I have been lurking on Knots for > 3 years and would venture to call myself one of the "old-guard". I would like to perhaps be a bit presumptious and speak for my collegues here.
I think this entire buisness has been exceptionally unfortunate. You have been treated most disgracefully by someone who probably has profound psychiatric problems.The great majority of us have enjoyed your posts, insights and experience as a woodworker. You have always given good advice and been an asset to this forum.
I hope this doesn't sour you to the board. We have lost alot of the senior people with the change in software, which is quite unfortunate.I almost bolted a few months ago and understand your frustrations. I think I speak for my friends here when I say we hope you stick around.
Best regards,
Frank
Biscardi: Well said.
Splintergroupie: I also hope you stay.
Dennis
Judging by her lively posts, always witty, frequently informative, sometimes droll, and now and again off-color, I have never imagined Splintergroupie to be a 19th century porcelain doll kind of lady. I doubt that she would fall to pieces or avoid the occasional pleasures of this forum merely because she had been affronted by a dumb-bell. If this were a real as opposed to a virtual meeting place, I guess she would smack the dumb-bell in the ear and spit on him, rather than quiver and slink away.
And now I see that Splintergroupie is, indeed, back, while apparently it is the dumb-bell slinking around out of sight. So all is right with the world of Knots.
Meanwhile, what brave soul at the Taunton Press is going to volunteer as the editor of Splintergroupie's article?
That has been and will continue to be me...though thank God I have a copy editor!
Tim____________Tim SamsAssociate Editor, Fine WoodworkingKnots Moderator
I guess she would smack the dumb-bell in the ear and spit on him
Oh, how you wound me! That is just crude!
In real life, the proper solution is three pints followed by leg-wrestling. Some attribute my success in vanquishing my foes to a lower center of gravity. Others say i am practically devoid of gravity--at least i think that's what "air-head" means.
As far as editing my article goes, may we have a vote frm the floor on whether the word "bikini" ends up in print for the first time in a Taunton article? All those in favor...
Can we just stop all the bull and get back to what this forum is about, sharing woodworking questions and problems etc.
Enough is enough even little kids don't drag it on as long as this. If as much time was spent on solving peoples woodworking problems as has been spent on this post the knowledge would be tremendous. There are enough an_l retentive people in the world without bringing into this area.
Lets get back to real life and positive answers to real woodworking questions.
I second the motion.
THANK YOU!!!
TerryH13 and Mark W. Davis-
By all means. Perhaps you could lead the group by asking some interesing woodworking questions.
OK, When your turning a vessel of some kind, is it best to turn the outside first, then the inside, or vice versa, and what are the pro's and cons of each?
No, no. Start a new thread, "Turning Vessels," or something. I thought you wanted to get rid of this thread.
Good question. I'm sure you will receive informed advice.
Mark,
I would do the outside first. If you want to make the walls real thin then you can shine a light into the inside to get the desired transparency if you want it that thin. Have seen some articles on real thin bowls and the result is rather nice.
By the way have you noticed tha Mr. Brown (take that anyway you want) really never seems to finish anything other than to start an argument and then leave. Have you ever seen any of his work? I checked thru all the post's, not one thing has been shown, mostly all Criticism.
Terry,
Don Brown has posted for a long time on this site and often contributes a great deal to the discussion (woodworking and otherwise). I'm sorry you haven't seen that. He also has a very dry sense of humor which is quite welcome on this board. So let's take your encouragement and get back to woodworking, please. Thanks.
Tim____________Tim SamsAssociate Editor, Fine WoodworkingKnots Moderator
Tim,
I understand that, but everyone is entitiled to their opinion, as I have seen on these forums and some get down right nasty, but if we can't all joust with fun opinions then so be it. Good example, Dano, he's Opinionated but to a point and is humurous but he does come up with darn good advice. I have seen some opinions that were totally out of context. I value the Opinions of everyone on this site and have gotten more advice from the people here than a lot of books and videos etc. Even Mr. Browns. So I don't agree with what he says, but am intitled to my opinion, is'nt that the American Way and yes you can get tired of post's going on and on and on. So if I said lets stop then whats the harm.
I will say this, these are some of the best forums for woodworking and answers and I have been reading Finewoodworking for many years. Also have collected every magazine back to the beginning. (Might be missing one or two) but would not trade them for anything.
If we cannot communicate and banter back and forth then we are all missing something. Maybe that's what the problem with good ole America these days no one can banter without feeling like they are on top.
Respectively,
Terry
Keep your friends close
Keep your enemies closer
Edited 8/8/2002 7:40:56 PM ET by TERRYH13
Tim, we have recently had a similar unpleasant thread on Cooks Talk and Li closed it. Why don't you do this site a favor and do the same thing.Gretchen
As I understand it, the reading of threads on this board is not compulsory.I would have thought it easier to ignore the threads that displeased you rather than clamour for them to be closed on the basis of your personal preferences.
Edited 8/8/2002 7:35:09 PM ET by IanDG
Just a thought, Gretchen...if they're having trouble over there with conflict resolution, maybe on CT you could post a link to this thread? Or maybe we could do without Tim for a stint, do a lend-lease thang?
So what do you think? Turn the inside or the outside first? Or the other cheek?
<G>
Splinter my darlin', any time you want to have a leg wrestle Im on.
I LOVE leg wrestling, I was damn good at it too if i may say. Add a few pints to it, well, how much fun can a fella have?
I have laughed till I cried at more of your posts than ny other. You cant leave, what would i do??
I will put on the cyber gloves on your behalf anytime however. <G>
Wood Hoon
Terry, Thanks. Knots is the first and only site I have ever engaged in on line conversation, other than work. I am quite amused at the personalities involved here. I learned a long time ago, that a written word on a screen is sometimes hard to interpret, and dry senses of humor are the toughest. I just try to remember that we all love wood working, and to just let it go, becuase it might just be me who is not understanding, and that my tone may not be conveyed properly either. Anyway, I'm getting ready to turn a deep vessel soon out of some Eucalyptus. What do you reccomend I do with any cracks in the wood? Should I fill them? then turn it, or wait till it's a shape and epoxy it? or leave it and hope it doesn't come apart. The crack is not big, but it will be part of the vessel itself.
I loooove this forum. Where else could you get all this amusement in one place! the other forums are either so serious and dry or else you feel like you are interfereing in a family gathering. Keep it up,guys!!
Mark,
I'm not the greatest turner but before I would turn anything that had a crack in it I would try and fill it with an epoxy mixed with some of the sanding dust from the wood. When ever I have had something spinning like that on a lathe I get nervous about it coming apart. Just me. How big is the part? Is it green or dry?
[email protected]
Easier to communicate.
Terry
I've done a lot of spindle type turnings over the years, But my one bad accident in the shop was lathe related. Turning a shallow bowl too fast, and the tool crossed center and instantly popped right back out and split the area between my left thumb and forefinger. broke the thumb in 3 places. Hurt like hell. This was 20 years ago now, and I've not ventured into a bowl or vessel since. But, I have this gorgeous hunk of Eucalyptus burl, that is crying to be turned into a deep Vase or soethin. It is seasoned and dry. The crak is pretty tight, but I'm going to try and epoxy it for the reasons you stated, as well as my own fear. Turn ther other cheek, that was cute. I like that. Humor is tough to read on line isn't it? I think that's why we have so many conflicts on these boards. Anyway, thanks for the help folks, have a safe weekend full of woorworking activities, I plan to.
Hi Mark,
Off original topic (was there an original topic on this one?), but here is another potential solution to your problem.
Have seen professional turners over here (Aust) work on Eucalyptus. Their technique for crack repair is similar.
They squirt a little superglue into the crack, burnish the area with some fine dust from the item being turned and the spray the repair with superglue hardener then continue turning. Takes a minute start to finish.
Cheers, Eddie
Edited 8/9/2002 9:03:10 PM ET by eddie
Thank you Sir. I've got it all chucked up ready to go this week. I've also got plenty of the glue and accelerator. Appreciate the response.
Hi Mark,
When you finish the turning, please let us know how it went.
Cheers, eddie
Certainly, however, this week did not go as planned, and with a birthday party to throw this weekend, and lawns to mow, etc, I'm not sure it'l get done till next week sometime. But I will write back and let you know. I think it is important for this site to have feedback on advice. Later.
You were compelled to read this thread, were you?
Edited 8/8/2002 5:19:15 PM ET by IanDG
"I really don't need the kind of interest or response expressed by the likes of Nanasy/Ron Teti/Danforth
Jenningses of the world in my professional world, nor do i need the embarrassment and explanations. "
Wow splints...that hurts.... Darkworksite4: When the job is to small for everyone else, Its just about right for me"
Hi folks,
I was out last week and unfortunately, Mark Coleman (sysop) had to take care of some of the problems that took place here. I wouldn't wish that on anybody.
Anyway, yes Steve has been gagged until I figure out what's going on. I am waiting to hear from him via email.
My sincere apologies to Splintergroupie for the post that was made that was offensive. It stinks and has no place here.
Tim
____________Tim SamsAssociate Editor, Fine WoodworkingKnots Moderator
Edited 8/6/2002 10:47:48 AM ET by Tim Sams
Thank you Tim
Steve has been gagged until I figure out what's going on
Large-size "Free the Schefer Three" pin-on buttons are now available for $1 each in quantities of ten or more. T-Shirts will go on sale soon. US currency only, please. Limited quantities, so act now.
Gag me with a tool handle.
I think this guy should just go away. I have never heard him say anything positive about anyone but himself. I see he posts a response to almost every discussion on here. If he were such a buisness man, He would be out in the shop and not on the computer putting his $0.02 cents in this forum. Most people that work for a living don't have time to sit behind a computer all day.
Edited 8/5/2002 9:58:11 PM ET by SROB200
Ladies and Gentlemen:
I do think that it is time to end this post. The only thing that this post has done is to take the kinship away from each of us. This is a unique group of people who post here that are very supportive to each other and have a great sense of humor. I've been bash here once by somebody that had the idea in his head he was the greatest woodworker the world have ever seen or will ever see again. My answer to a question I had posted here was absurb and against all reasoning per his "wealth" of woodworking knowledge. Turns out that the person in question was not even a woodworker at all. As for the ladies who are here, if I ever post something that is offense to you , please let ME know.
Dave in Pa.
Thanks for the invitation to stay; i am severely humbled by the support and respectfully thank each and every one of you for sticking your necks out.
I got a surprise from the exec editor this morning that i myself am on probation over this deal as a result of our heated email exchanges; it seems much depends on whose ox is being gored. So it's hard to tell if my posts, including this one, will be tolerated...beige isn't my color. It seems like censorship is the order of the day, though..maybe some fallout from our national pass-time of jailing subversives without a hearing.
I'd like to stress that i have nothing but the highest regard for Tim's handling of the issue once it was handed off to him; it's a crying shame that he wasn't in charge of this from the get-go. <bow to Tim>
I have to go make space for a lathe getting trucked down here this afternoon, so play nice!!!!
Being put on probation for complaining about being humiliated is pretty par for the course these days. It seems that the squeaky wheel no longer gets greased, it just gets threatened to be replaced. I learned THAT lesson a long time ago.
Interesting that this forum is losing members and participation. I don't have to wonder why when it seems that the PTB's don't care about anything except their personal paycheck and eliminating anyone who makes waves instead of fixing what's squeaking or broken. It's a pretty std boardroom rationale. Too bad it showed up here.
Welcome back Dave Wright. It's a real shame that we here at knots have lost touch with a lot of you more experinced woodworkers. FWIW I would love to see the more experinced woodworkers come back and share some of their knowledge with us less experinced woodworkers.
Dave in Pa.
Edited 8/8/2002 10:10:14 AM ET by DAVE6281
Dave,
No, her article is still on. And the reference she was making was to a private email between she and our editor. The issue has been resolved.
Tim
____________
Tim Sams
Associate Editor, Fine Woodworking
Knots Moderator
Dear Editor-
In the tenth grade, Miss Sturgis would have rapped your knuckles soundly with her ruler.
It should be, "...between her and our editor." Object of a preposition.
You're welcome,
Don
Thank you Don. Consider my knuckles duly wacked!
Tim____________Tim SamsAssociate Editor, Fine WoodworkingKnots Moderator
Oh, goody, a wacking, a wacking! <Holy Grail fans are panting>
Oh, dear, now we have spelling problems, too. Unless you have crazy knuckles...
<G>
Edited 8/8/2002 12:27:34 PM ET by SPLINTIE
--- how do you know that the error wasn't neglecting to capitalise 'she'?
Ha!
It's occured to me that maybe being on this forum actually reduces one's chances of acceptance by FWW.
I've wondered, too; i suspect it's a double-edged sword. There actually are some posters who've appeared in the mag, though i don't know if the chicken or the egg was first. Tim was encouraging enough, but the road to publication has been more tortuous than i would have ever imagined, no doubt complicated by my charming onscreen persona. <pausing a moment to allow you to wipe your monitors> One thing i am sure of is that participation drastically increases one's chances of being viewed as mentally ill.
I made a stink over the move to this software bec i still believe a deal was struck with the devil to exchange members' information for cheap hosting. I've tried other forums furnished with elaborate mental gynasiums, but they seemed consumptive instead of generative, like taking in an art gallery instead of producing something. Others were just dry as dust. I empathize with both your discouragement over and attraction to this forum. The garden is dying for lack of water while TP thinks slapping a coat of paint on the fence is the answer.
As an aside--nobody panic!--cyber libel law is fascinating. A publisher of print media is responsible for the veracity of all they produce, while a bookstore is not since they are only distributors of the material. In online fora in the US (UK is much stricter), however, so far it's murky whether the publisher who provides the bulletin board is liable for content, and much depends on how involved they are with the day-to-day running of the board. Sometimes an online publisher is treated akin to a bookstore while other times held as accountable as a print publisher. The opinions presented for both views seem equally reasonable, too, which means case law in different countries can have totally different outcomes. This should make for some interesting law involving the World-Wide Web, eh? I see a new specialty type of lawyer developing.
Anyway, Dave, will you join me in encouraging Tim to change that "she" to "her" in his answer to your article viability question? <reference charming onscreen persona>
Dave and Splintie-
I think you both are chasing phantoms if you think exposure on this furum reduces a person's chances of having an article published in Fine Woodworking.
I know nothing about the inner workings or Taunton's editorial boards, but I take a non-conspiritorial view: The editors are normally intelligent people who reckognize that their jobs depend on filling issue after issue with interesting articles that retain current readers and attract new ones (read, if you want: keep the profits rising). Why would they be anything but ecstatic to find a fresh new voice who had something interesting to say?
Splintie apparently had something fresh and interesting to say and was able to say it in an interesting way, because the editors accepted (even solicited, for all I know) her article. Whatever the travails of getting from draft to publication, I don't for a moment doubt Tim's word that it will eventually see print.
I just can't accept rejection of a proposed article as evidence for a prejudice against Knots contributors. There probably is a simpler explanation.
Donald,
I think I should probably come forward and confirm that your assumptions are right on. The editors do lurk here and there have been some authors who have been tapped for what they know. In fact, in an editorial meeting just yesterday, a print out of one Knots person's excellent response was used as a good reason to solicit an article from that person.
Dave's guess that we have more proposals than what we know what to do with is partially true. Many articles we solicit, but we still accept a fair number of articles from proposals. And as I've stated in another discussion on this matter, there are many reasons why a proposal are rejected. But one's online persona on Knots is not one of them.
I confess that Splintie's delays have had to do with my schedule. She has been more than patient, as many of our authors have to be.
Tim____________Tim SamsAssociate Editor, Fine WoodworkingKnots Moderator
Pardon me, Mr. Brown, but would you please offer your knuckles when you're done writing "recognize" on the board 100 times?
Jim-
Yes, yes. Just as soon as I finish writing "wreck-ognize."
Don
Hey that's not funny! I still have bad dreams after 8 years of Catholic school with Sister Mary Bust Your Chops and I'm 46. I can't even be in the same room with a yard stick or a wooden pointer and the smell of chalk makes me sick to my stomach. I am somewhat comforted though when I remember my little sister's revenge. A nun pulled her out of her seat by her braided pig tails when she was in 2nd grade. In her wild flailing and groping she managed to separate said nun's habit from her head much to the delight of the class and horror of the nun :)John O'Connell - JKO Handcrafted Woodworking
Life is tough. It's tougher if you're stupid - John Wayne
Ah, yes, "Suffer the little children......"Thank God some of the chickens are coming home to roost at last.
Edited 8/8/2002 4:24:33 PM ET by IanDG
John, have you ever seen the book titled,"I Was Raised Catholic -- Can You Tell?". The cover shows a guy (I don't recall that it was a nun) standing in front of a big blackboard with a yardstick in his hand. Very funny.
Speaking of funny, it's good to see Splintie back on this board. She is one of the most creative and accomplished woodworkers around, and one of the funniest, too. And successful. I for one am eager to see her article. A lot of experience and practical wisdom is bound to surface.
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