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   forestgirl | Apr 09, 2003 09:12pm | #1

   How long is the table?  The current 8" with  a 65" table runs about $775 including shipping.  There's a new one with a longer table for more (check http://www.grizzly.com for details).

   If you check the tables and fence and they check out, and everything works at 90* etc., it's probably a good buy.  Two things to keep in mind:  Their quality control 10 years ago was probably not as good as it is today so don't buy sight-unseen, and the motor will be spendy if it has to be replaced anytime soon, so you'd want to check it out.

   forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl   ;-)

   
   

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   Edited 4/9/2003 2:13:57 PM ET by forestgirl

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   Jeff | Apr 10, 2003 02:16am | #3

   Thanks FG

   Thats the type of stuff I need to figure it out.

   I won't buy it sight unseen.

   Anything else you know that might have changed, let me know.

   Jeff

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   forestgirl | Apr 10, 2003 06:20am | #6

   I'd go into the "viewing" with the expectation that you're going to see a machine that's been in use recently and still performs well.  If what you actually see is a machine that's been sitting in a corner, neglected, rusty spots, spider-condos inside and out, it's probably time to walk away.  If it were an old Delta-Rockwell machine or some such, it'd be a different story.  If the WWer who owns it condemned it to boredom, that might tell you something right there.

   On the other hand, if he's been using it right along and it cuts a 90* edge, he must have gotten one of the good ones that was made 10 years ago!  Try to get it for $375 <g>.forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl   ;-)

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   Jeff | Apr 10, 2003 04:14pm | #7

   Hi FG

   I'm going with some cash to help haggle.

   The story I got was he just retired and closed his fulltime shop,

   combined equipment at home and is letting go the extra stuff because

   he has no room.

   If true, the jointer should be good.

   Hopefully, I'll see it this Sunday.

   Jeff

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   BG | Apr 09, 2003 09:34pm | #2

   Jeff,

   Maybe you could send Frenchy an e-mail and get some info from him too.  He loves his, however, as FG said, your looking at a 10 year old model and that maybe different.

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   Jeff | Apr 10, 2003 02:18am | #4

   Thanks BG

   Yeah, I'm worried about the 10 years old.

   I know about Grizzly's history.

   I hope Frenchy sees this and replies.

   Jeff

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   Armin110 | Apr 10, 2003 04:44am | #5

   I wouldn't pay that much for an older Grizzly jointer,  the early machines were questionalbe at best; the newer stuff is pretty good. A friend of mine had a 6 inch grizzly about 10 years old, now he uses it as an anvil.http://www.northernsunwoodworks.com

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   fdampier5 | Apr 10, 2003 05:09pm | #10

   I'm gonna surprise some people here..

     It's true that mine has held up to some very heavy use and it's construction is so basic that it should last a long time without a lot of worries..

     However, 

     At $500 dollars that is probably what was paid for the jointer when it was new.. Is it new? not if it's ten years old..    often we see something that is cheaper than what a brand new one would be and we lead with our wallet..

     True a new one would cost $225.00 more but then it has ten years less wear and a new warrantee.. (not to mention improvements made over  the years..)  Thus a fair market value of that jointer should be much closer to $300 dollars (asuming it's in great operating shape and needs nothing.) 

     Think of it this way, would you pay the owner of a used pickup truck the same price he paid for the truck when it was ten years old?  If you could then there is a real advantage to buying new and selling ten years later.. 

     The differance is depreciation..

    Are you near a major city? If so they have places that buy and sell used shop equipment.  Around here they are called Re-tool but who knows what it is near you..

     Go in and ask them what they would pay for that jointer, chances are my offer is more than generous..  

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   forestgirl | Apr 10, 2003 07:25pm | #11

   Frenchy, your math is off a bit.  The guy is asking $450 for the jointer.  A new one is $775.  Figure Jeff can get it for $375 if he's charming (and we all know he is!).  Doesn't matter what the guy paid for it originally.  He's just a lucky victim of inflation.  Jeff would be getting it for less than 50%. 

   Actually, we've not had much inflation in the last 10 years.  Will bet he paid more than $500.

   That extra $400 could go for some sweet lumber or another tool for the stable (or food for the table, LOL).

   forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl   ;-)

   Edited 4/10/2003 12:25:59 PM ET by forestgirl

   Edited 4/10/2003 12:35:13 PM ET by forestgirl

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   Jeff | Apr 10, 2003 07:53pm | #12

   Thanks all.

   Good food for thought.

   I haven't made up my mind at all till I see the unit and know if he's

   willing to deal.

   I realize the 2" gain isn't much.

   Now I'm sorry I passed on a huge 12" last year.

   Keep the feedback coming as I mull this over some more.

   Thanks again.

   Jeff

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   DJK | Apr 10, 2003 08:12pm | #13

   For you Grizzly lovers the price 10 years ago was $629, as seen in an ad. Don't buy it, look for a 12" - 16" machine. I can get you a deal on a 30" Oliver 166-V jointer with a single phase 5hp motor.

   Dave Koury

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   AlanTurner | Apr 10, 2003 09:16pm | #15

   Dave,

   I'm with you on this one, for sure.  Old American iron is great stuff which will never wear out and works far better than most of the new stuff.  An older jointer, depending, has the ability in the fence for skewing, which will permit a shearing cut, which is better for figured woods.  The newer machines I have seen do not permit the fence to be angled.  Three phase is frequently the issue, and there one just hs to decide.  What do you want for that old 30" Oliver?

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   DJK | Apr 11, 2003 05:06am | #18

   The OLD Oliver is a 1953, 166-v, 30" jointer with a 108" bed. It has a 5hp single phase, 1725 rpm Westinghouse motor that is is the size of a current 20hp motor. It's belt driven. Has been in storage for the past 12 years. I'd let it go for $5000. I wanted to keep it for my six year old daughter to use when she gets around to taking woodshop. I have a 5hp, PM66 in storage for her as well. I'll bring home the 36" Moak band saw next week and clean that up.

   Jeff: As for being short on space for a large jointer, look for a wide short bed machine. I have a 16" Sidney with a 66" bed, paid $300. Only takes up a bit more space than an 8".

   Dave Koury

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   forestgirl | Apr 10, 2003 10:05pm | #16

   Didn't realize you had so much space available!  I'd have to get rid of something (or oust the step-son's auto stuff) to fit in anything bigger than 8".  Since the step-son keeps our Chevy's all running, can't go there!forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl   ;-)

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   Jeff | Apr 11, 2003 02:22am | #17

   Hi everyone

   Fg - no, I don't have that much room, so I'm adding more this summer.

   All - I wouldn't mind a larger 12" older machine in good shape.

   Not 3 phase. 16" or 20" is a little big.

   Ah yes, toys toys toys.

   Oh well, back to work.

   Jeff

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   MHargrove | Apr 11, 2003 05:16am | #19

   Because I'm a beginner, I'm still seeing terminology that's new to me.  Your post contained a new concept for me that I need exlained.  What is this "food" thing that you're advocating spending good money on?

   -M.

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   forestgirl | Apr 11, 2003 05:27am | #20

   "Food" is that stuff that, years ago, I could consume at will with no adverse effects whatsoever.  If you don't know about it yet, I'll leave well enough alone -- you'll be better off for it, LOL.  forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl   ;-)

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   MHargrove | Apr 11, 2003 05:42am | #21

   Ohhh!  Now I know what you mean.  I used to have the same "problem", but finally admitted it and went through a 12-step program to kick the habit.  Now I can spend all of my money on life-essential tools and wood.  ;-)

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   DJK | Apr 10, 2003 04:19pm | #8

   It's only 2" larger. I'd hold off and look for a larger used machine. Your on the east coast with alot of used equipment for sale. The west coasters have less availiable good used machinery so they jump on the first tool that comes along. What will you do with the 6" Jet, sell local, it's not worth much. Go to http://www.woodweb.com and look around or post a WTB ad. You may be surprised.

   Dave Koury

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   bobpowers | Apr 10, 2003 04:28pm | #9

   Hi Jeff,

   I have a 6" Grizzly jointer that's about 10 years old and have never had a minute's trouble with it.

   Also, the place where I buy most of my hardwood has an 8" Grizzly that works just fine, and it's seen lots of hard use.

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   Napie | Apr 10, 2003 09:08pm | #14

   I bought a completely rebuilt Boice Crane long bed, (66" direct drive), for only $575 two years ago.  I sold my Asian machine tools years ago, I could get used American iron of far greater quality for less money.