Grizzly 1023SL Good price or not?
Hi guys,
I am fairly new to wood working. I am setting up my shop and I am tired of driving 30 minutes to my father-in-laws garage to use his 20 year old craftsman 1HP tablesaw. I don’t have a truck and loading work into my 10 year old Honda CRV is well…frustrating at best.
I found a local who is selling a Grizzly 1023SL (a left tilt 3HP cabinet saw with cast iron wings) which also includes a shopfox mobile base, shop fox beismeyer-like fence, and a zero clearance insert for $700 (no dado blade and no riving knife just a splitter and a ridiculously cheap blade guard. I checked the saw out this evening and have until Monday to make my decision.
- The saw was purchased 5 years ago and is literally in like new condition.
- The owner has only used the saw on one project.
- The table is almost dead flat and the run-out is minimal. I am sure with a little tweaking I can get the thing tuned fine.
- I turned the saw on and ripped 3/4 red oak and it cut like butter. Very little vibration. I think it is in great condition.
So the questions:
- Is the $700 price fair? (I have heard that Grizzly sometimes sales these things new for around $795.00)
- What concerns should I have if the saw hasn’t been used in 5 years
- Is there anything else you would suggest I should take a look at before I make my decision
- How do I explain to my wife she will have to park outside of the garage? 🙂
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Sounds Good
Robin,
I have the G1023RLX, which is the same as the one you are looking at except I have the 52" rip capacity extension kit, which is important to me. I paid about $800 for mine and it also came with a mobile base which I sold because I don't need it.
If you don't need the extension rails then I'd go for it. I use my saw daily sometimes for many hours a day. I've had Powermatic Model 66s in the past and this saw is comparable in my opinion.
Minor dislikes:
The Shopfox fence I have is too heavy and too long.
The arbor was too tight and I was having difficulty changing blades. I sanded the arbor down a little bit and it's much better now.
The saw "sings" a bit at times. I thought it was the blade but it does it with no blade on it sometimes too.
This is a smooth running, heavy duty saw, designed to run hard all day.
Bret
You could likely find a Unisaw for about the same price. I'd call it $150 too high.
I've got the 1023slx
I've had my 1023slx for 6 years and she's runnin like a charm today and has handled everything I ever wanted it to do. I paid 1100 back then and It's still the same price. I'd offer 600 and if it's in truly good shape (passes the nickle test). I'm going to be getting the sawstop in feb (saving now) and look to sell mine for around that price and mine has 7' rails.
Thanks for your posts
Hey I appreciate your posts guys. I sent the seller an email and told him that based on some research and some forum discussions, I could offer $600. I heard back that he is not interested at that price, so I asked him to keep me on his call list if he finds that he can't sell the saw for $700. I am a little bummed out because I was looking forward to having a better saw. He basically told me that for the saw, blade, zero clearance insert, and mobile shop fox base he was into it for $1,200.00 I guess that it is important for him to try and recover his costs, even though for me I am not interested in over-paying. I guess I will just sit tight and see if he comes back to me in a few weeks if the saw doesn't sell.
Thanks for all of your comments. You really helped me out.
Sincerely,
Will
ya never know
He may call you back. Know your price and stay. If you think 700 was worth it get it, but try to believe in your own hunches. If you think deep down 700 is too much let her go. Go to http://www.irsacutions.com (has nothing to do with the gov't). This site liquidates factory closeouts etc. Watch those auctions and you will see TS's a lot of old iron too, go for a song. I seen Powermatics (the old green machines0 go for 300 bucks. There is a $3000 laguna bandsaw current top bid is 600 bucks.
A few may have been sold for a brief time at $795 when they were closed out to make room for the G1023RL that has the riving knife, but the vast majority of the G1023SL models sold for closer to $1100, IIRC. $700 for a 1023SL in great condition seems pretty fair....not a steal, but fair for both parties IMHO. It's a nice saw. Walnutacre Woodworking makes a retrofit riving knife and blade guard that fits the G1023SL. It works great...I've had one on my Shop Fox W1677 (essentially a white Griz 1023SL) for over 2 years. I think you may have a tough time finding a nicer saw for $700.
I bought a 1023 new about 4 years ago. It's been a good saw, after fixing a couple of problems. First problem was the raising and lowering wheel was missing a part, and would not lock in place when I tightened the lock knob. The second problem was they also forgot to put in the set screws on the motor pulley. Third problem is the arbor wrench which is the cheapest wrench ever and spreads even with minimal pressure. Once I took care of these things it's been a nice saw.
Saw deal..
I own that exact saw too, and like it very much. It's been a good, strong machine for me, very accurate, and it was a huge upgrade from my previous saw.
I installed the BORK (Bolt-on riving knife) on it and have grown quite used to that. Which brings up my point...
If I were looking into buy a saw today, I might opt to pay extra for one with the latest and greatest technology - a riving knife system that was designed into the saw from the ground up. Don't get me wrong - the BORK works pretty well, and for a hundred bucks or so it was worth it. But I think even the maker of the BORK would agree that it does not rival a designed-in riving knife. It's an aftermarket add-on.
Also, consider resale value down the road. With so many new saws on the market being built with riving knives, how is that going to affect the prices of saws without that technology? I suspect it will depress prices, as woodworkers may opt to buy what is widely considered safer machinery when they have the choice.
Just my opinion, but it might be something worth thinking about. But as for the saw itself, I'm pleased with my purchase. If I had waited only more year though, I could have bought one with a built-in riving knife. And that would undoubtedly be the last saw I'd ever buy..
Zolton
I know this is an old thread, but I just saw it while trying to figure out how to go about selling my shop tools. Is the OP (or anyone else) still interested in a similar saw ?
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