Hi all. I’m working through the creation of a replacement stock on an old m12 Win. I’ve had fun drilling, now working on inletting, but looking ahead to finish details. I’m using some beautiful English walnut that i rescued from a development project 6 or 7 years ago and had milled. Air dryed since.
I’ve had some minor experience with various oils in the past few years, and seen some really nice stuff. I’m into boat woodwork as well as guns, and got to use some Daly’s SeaFin on my own boat which had stunning effectiveness after some serious abuse. The gun guys are saying to use TruOil. The salesmen change their story store to store as far as best gunstock finish. I’ve used indoor oils outdoors with decent results and vice versa. The names change, but what’s the real difference? Why not use a boat oil on a gunstock? The SeaFin is hardening, (polymerized???) very thin for good penetration, holds its clear color well, and has impressed me with its durability in situations that would destroy a gun. Aside from cost, why not use gunstock oil on boats?
I am not trying to start an oily brawl, but would love to hear some sound-off on the differences between high-end all-weather oil finishes in regards to gunstocks. I know very little about the composition of these oils and how they compare to each other, particularly in this case.
Thanks much. -B
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-B
I'm not familiar with SeaFin, but would suggest that any hardening oil would be fine on a gunstock. Even a gun used hard in the field will get a wipe down after being brought in out of the rain/snow. Any of the penetrating oil finishes on the market are relatively durable, and in case of dings or scrapes across rocks or fence wire, repairable by sanding and overcoating.
Film finishes, like varnishes or lacquers are more difficult to repair/touch up if damaged.
I've used Minwax Antique Oil, Formby's Tung Oil Finish, and Polyurethane varnish on various gunstocks. All are durable enough to turn water if wetted in the field. In retrospect, I like the looks of the poly the least. I wanted a glossy, filled pore film, and that's what I got, the reality did not match my expectations. The prettiest finish I have put on a stock is shellac on a reproduction Colt 1860 Army that I re-gripped with crotch walnut. I figure that watermarks will not be a problem, as it will never get wet in its case ;-), but wonder about the effects of cleaning solvents over time ...
Ray
Ray,
Thanks for the input. I may try a few samples of the SeaFin on some scrap wood before i make up my mind. I will for sure chase an oil finish rather than a film finish... seen too many old cheap gunstocks that look HORRIBLE with a few scratches, dings, peeling etc, plus i love the feel of a well done oil finish. I'm not afraid of the work involved in doing it right... seen several suggestions to push it to 30+ coats with at least a day between each to dry. If worse comes to worse I can recruit my family to help oil and buff. =)
One thing I that impressed me with the SeaFin was its hardening. I used it on pretty, but soft, cedar in my boat. The oil is the thinnest I've ever used, though that is amongst a fairly limited number of products, and it drew into the wood very well. Took more coats of course, but it seemed to stabilize that cedar up to a quarter inch deep on end grain. Plus as I said, it held color and surface through some pretty extreme weather abuse. It's not cheap, I think around $30 a quart, but I'm doing a gunstock with it, not a whole boat. Will be cheaper than buying gunstock oils in the half-cup bottles anyway.
-B
I will say (again) I have no first hand experience in this, but from reading this board and others for ages, have seen a lot of ideas. I think in a question about tool handles one time, it was suggested to immerse the wood handles in boiled linseed oil and just let it absorb all it would. I wonder if that would work for this application. Don't know "what" oil would be best. It might have been Howie who suggested this long ago.
I agree about film finishes probably being worthless.
Good luck.
I can't comment on the two finishes you asked about but thought you might like to look at some fine scatter guns for inspiration.
http://connecticutshotgun.com/csmc/PhotoGallery/galazan/album/index.html
Wow... that is a stunning gallery. Incredible work by a master. In comparison to that, my stock will look a lot more like your signature tagline. I'll bet that guy doesn't use WD40 for finish. =)
I've done a little more reading. Birchwood Casey's TruOil is a polymerized linseed oil. Apparently it drys to a very thin film that builds well and can be buffed to a decent shine.
This came from Daly's website on SeaFin Ship n Shore (which was the product I used before.)
"
Daly’s SeaFin Ship `N Shore is a deeply penetrating wood waterproofing sealer. As it
penetrates, SeaFin Ship `N Shore becomes an integral part of the cell structure, harden-
ing the wood from 15% to 25%. SeaFin Ship `N Shore is practically colorless, odorless
and non-toxic. Does not raise the grain and because of deep penetration, leaves no
surface film to chip, crack, chalk, blister or peel. SeaFin Ship `N Shore is an excellent
conditioner for wood surfaces such as decks, handrails, cabins, hulls, masts and canvas
or any area where paint or varnish is to be used. "
Listed in the specs were the ingredients "Resin, Rosin, and Oil Modified Urethane," whatever that is. =) So I sent off an email to Daly's asking about its use and compatibilites. We'll see what they have to say.
I'm thinking it would be great to have that significant hardening factor but I also want some build and buff... and certainly don't want oil coats sloughing off of this stuff.
I used truoil on my wormy chestnut coffee table and it looks wonderful. I also recoated an end table ( oak) and found it to be outstanding on it as well. They both had been previously coated with a polyurethane coating so one coat was sufficient. I've used it on several gun stocks and never had to use more than one coat. Other men told me about using several applications but that's never been the case for me; I have no idea why that is. God bless, I wish you well.
Well, "Wrong ... ", from your 6th comment, "I think 'e's got it". A coat of your deeply penetrating seafaring sealer followed by a coat or three of Birchwood Casey True Oil. I assume the Winchester "m12" you mention is a civilian version of their "Trench Sweeper" of WW I fame - the Model 12 pump shotgun with a two piece stock; butt and fore end. If so, and you're going to put your prized possession to work, especially in a duck blind during weather only fit for waterfowl, I'd suggest also using your penetrating finish on the end grain of the butt stock and the inside of the fore end as extra protection.
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