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   PADDYDAHAT | Jan 25, 2007 04:05am | #1

   Paul, as an old guy who dosen't dance on the key board too well I share your pain. The better info is from the users here, not the reviews, but ya have to bring something to the party-information- how will you use the tool ? Random, seldom used, buy the cheapest, harbor freight, cambell housefield, sears, acme no name. A serious hobby shop, Porter Cable, Boststch. Commercial shop banging on it all day every day then there are several brands -bigger $- that will do the job. Paddy

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   hammer1 | Jan 25, 2007 04:38am | #2

   The search function for Knots seems to be moody. Sometimes it works well, other times it can't find anything. A portion of this site is only open to those that have paid a membership fee. I'm not a paid member, so I don't know if you can access old magazine articles without the membership. Hopefully, someone who is knowledgeable about the system will respond.

   I do know a little about pin nailers, though. Like many tools, you get what you pay for. The top of the line gun is the Max. I think it shoots the widest range of pins, if you can find them. No clips to add to the magazine, nice sharp nose, nor mar tip, diverted exhaust, no dry fire, twin safety trigger. I have one and it's an excellent gun. Cadex has a gun under their name that looks just like the Max but is less money. After these two, the others may not take the full range of pin sizes, may require the addition of a guide in the magazine when you change lengths, may have a blunter nose and may not drive the pins in all materials as well as the Max or Cadex. Quite a few folks have the Cadex, so they can weigh in.

   Beat it to fit / Paint it to match

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   sapwood | Jan 25, 2007 04:43am | #3

   Fine Homebuilding had an article/review on 23ga guns. That may be what you are remembering. I don't recall one in Fine Woodworking.

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   forestgirl | Jan 25, 2007 05:42am | #4

   I, too, find the search functions at both Knots and the paid membership area frustrating.  So frustrating I can't even organize my thoughts enough to compose a comprehensive and understandable list of problems!  I tried to help you earlier by going to the Pd. Membership area and searching "pin nailers" (I don't think you'll find them under "pinners").  The only actual review listed was for brad nailers, not pin nailers.  There's a video specific to the Grex pin nailer.  Not much else available.

   Whoever it was who said Fine Homebuilding might be the right publication could be on the right track.  I'm not remembering anything in FWW either.

   forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-) 
   

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   81treehouse | Jan 25, 2007 06:00am | #5

   I posted back to the original requester to try MayJune 2004, #170, p. 30.  I found what I thought he wanted under "Nailers".  Also attached a picture of the screen shot of the FWW index page.

    A bad day woodworking is better than a good day working -- yes, I'm retired!

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   nikkiwood | Jan 25, 2007 10:05am | #6

   I don't know about the subscription site, but searching for anything at Knots is like looking for a needle in a haystack -- and it has been that way as long as I have been around.

   As far as 23 ga. pinners are concerned, here is a post I put up at BT sometime ago that might be helpful:

   http://forums.taunton.com/tp-breaktime/messages?msg=81231.25

   If you read through this thread, you will learn you should avoid the pinners from PC and Senco.

   ********************************************************
   "It is what we learn after we think we know it all, that counts."

   John Wooden 1910-

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   Lataxe | Jan 25, 2007 01:29pm | #8

   NK,

   Welcome back, you naughty boy!  I am relieved and glad to see your return.

   Lataxe

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   nikkiwood | Jan 25, 2007 05:14pm | #9

   Thanks ---- ah, the cost of standing up for principle.........nikkiwood, the unrepentant********************************************************
   "It is what we learn after we think we know it all, that counts."

   John Wooden 1910-

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   cowtown | Jan 25, 2007 12:59pm | #7

   23 gauge pinners are evolving faster than you want to obsess about going back in time for that elusive archival info;

   well, you got yerself to the right place, and if you stopped and thunked about it, where else could you go?? Cogitate for a second, not a minute, but merely a second, and you'd figure out that the milieu that yer tapping into has likely a million person- years of experience, and I don't know what area of endeavour you earn yer living in, but I betcha if yer bosses could access that level of experience for free, you'd be out of a job. Of course, if you work for yerself, you can appreciate that knowledge and experience has a real and definable value, and yet, here is my perspective absolutely for free.

   Meanwhile back to yer question....

   "I'm looking for one tool review on 23 guage pinners."

   And it's been a tad over a year ago that I heard about them too, and just opted to opt in. Such an exquisite idea

   Before we go further, just for fun I popped "23 ga" into the search engine on this site and generated over 50 hits. The info is out there, and it's available to you. I daresay I'm repeating what you may already know.

   Availability of the 23 ga device was for me limited (at that time)to an Omer, cost about 375is cdn. In retrospect, it was like buying a Lamborghini cause I didn't know about the Honda...

   Impressed so much, opted fer a 70 buck import for the truck nailer trough about 6 months ago.

   The omer was capabable of 30mm, the import maxed out at 1" (25mm}, so when I saw an 1.375" gun at 70 bucks on a boxing day special, I just scarfed it up. Yhe guns that could only use 1" were around 30 bucks

   All I gotta say is watch the max length of these suckers- but don't go OCD on us, 23 ga ain't got but a tad of strucxtural strength- merely to hold while the glue dries.

   1" is gonna be plenty if it's holdinging 1/4" edging in place, and will serve well in locking in returns on any mouldings. Heck, I've even used the 1" to secure guides for plunge routing pseudo raised panel MDF doors-enuf lateral support, minimal filling required.

   Import entry level is for the 1" around 40 bucks on sale . Why dwell on the question. Cheaper than a lot of simple router bits.

   To boot, for the most part these puppies often come with spare driver pins too! Dewalt take note, or not!

   The low cost imported units have a utility/availabily not generally found in NA mfgd units ( I've bin looking for the PC units without success ever since I bought my first 23 ga unit) and I cannot believe I'm actually saying this.....After 1 year there is absolutely no difference in functionality between the $300+ omer and the 70 buck import.

   Some folks have even talked about the lack of guilt associated with taking the nose of an imported 23ga nailer to the grinder to get a smaller "blemish", vs tossing a 300 buck tool on the grinding wheel. Can's say as I wouldn't share the anxiety...

   Join the learning curve at the low end- it's about 300 bucks cheaper than joining at the high end.

   Buy all means go looking for archival info, at best it's exactly that-archival and old. Better to watch for or beg for boxing day pricing on these puppies. They are likely evolving as this gets posted.

   And, big fella, you gotta have a grinder, cause sometimes these fine pins don't set flush or below the surface, and not one single mfg has popped up to offer a nail set small enuf to sink an errant 23 gauge pin without leaving a massive scar. You need the grinder to taper yer finest nail-set to bout half that diameter.

   I dunno if that satisfies yer requirements for a review. My experience is based on use of 3 23 gauge nailers, although it's only for a year or so.

   Eric-

7. 
   GEide | Jan 25, 2007 06:06pm | #10

   Dear Paul,

    

   Sorry to hear you’re having trouble searching the site. In case this helps, check out the two links I pasted below. The first takes you to our Tool Guide where you can read about 5 different models. Click on the “Editor's Review” hyperlink for each one and you can read Roland Johnson’s review of each. (FWW.com à Tool Guide tab à Air Powered à Pin Nailers)

    

   The second link, also from the “Tool Guide” takes you to articles on Pneumatic Nailers.

    

   http://www.taunton.com/finewoodworking/ToolGuide/ToolguideDirectory.aspx?dir=Pneumatic+Nailers&subdir=Pin+Nailers

    

   http://www.taunton.com/finewoodworking/ToolGuide/ToolGuideBrowseResults.aspx?dir=Pneumatic%20Nailers

     

   Gina

   Fine Woodworking

   
   

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   Edited 1/25/2007 10:08 am ET by GEide