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   WillGeorge | Jun 18, 2005 09:24pm | #1

   to demonstrate to a customer a hinge from a catalog ...

   If this is common for you I would try to see what the mmg ( geee MFG!). has on the web .. Some have data sheets you can view.. Worth a try!

   
   

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   Edited 6/18/2005 4:20 pm ET by Will George

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   notDusty | Jun 19, 2005 12:37am | #2

                Butch ,

                              Yes , there are hinges that will do what you ask. In fact that is a fairly standard application . If the cabinets are side to side with 3/4" sides , you can use a 5/8" overlay more or less and leave about 1/4" gap between them. With the euro hinge you will have the ability to dial them in and out as needed . Blum , Mepla and most any brand has what you need . Order a pair or so and create a mock up on a sample door . Actually on a face less box with overlay door application you can use the same hinge and mounting plate as on a face frame cabinet in most cases .

                good   luck                     dusty

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   SenorDorado | Jun 19, 2005 02:40am | #3

   Thanks dusty. Blum seems to be a popular brand with a lot of variations. When you say "dial them in" I take this to mean the side to side and vertical adjustments mentioned in the catalogs. I'm wondering if there are websites from the manufacturers that have illustrations and practical examples. Worth a look see.Work safely!Butch

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   dondownunder | Jun 19, 2005 05:56am | #4

   Butch

   As mentioned there are a multitude of hinges out there, and almost as many mounts as well, so the appropriate combination will cover almost any application. Unless you use specilty hinges for thick doors these units are good for doors up to about 22mm or 7/8". Also don't feel that you're Robinson Crusoe - I have two apprentices who took about a year to get their heads around the various combinations & they're pretty switched on.

   Hinge 101: There are 3 basic configurations of hinge - full overlay, half overlay & inset. This applies regardless of openning angle which are commonly 110* & 165*(there are others but don't get too hung up on that yet).

   The amount of overlay is governed by 2 factors - firstly the distance the cup is bored from the edge of the door (called 'cup distance', 'tab' or 'bore measurement' depending on brand). The greater the distance here the greater the overlay.

   Secondly the height of the mount (attached to the gable) will affect the overlay - the higher the mount the smaller the overlay. Some manufacturers have a wide range, eg Hafele have 2,4,6&8 whilst Grass has only 3.

   So in your application a 110* full overlay is required if you have an individual gable per door*. I suggest you then get an intermediate mount, do a mock up to determine your cup distance allowing about 2mm between doors, or a door & an end panel. This is sufficent to allow a door to open without fouling its nieghbour. Note that these two are different in that to achieve a 2mm gap between doors requires 1mm reveal per door, 2mm at an end is a 2mm reveal. The amount of adjustment is not great, being +/-2mm, so getting it right is an advantage when fine tuning later.

   *[If a gable or divider is shared then you can either use half covers on each door or offset your divider & use a full cover on one door & an inset on the other.]

   Hinge 201: For almost every hinge there is an option of 'snap on' or 'slide on'. Snap on hinges are slightly more expensive but if you need to remove the door & want it back in the same location after adjustment is made then use snap ons. I don't buy slide ons unless there is no option (which require the loosening of an adjusting screw to  remove the door) as we remove doors for transport, pack seperately to avoid damage & refit on site. Time to fit about 5 seconds.

   Hope this is of benefit - come back if I can help some more.

   Don

    

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   SenorDorado | Jun 19, 2005 03:04pm | #7

   Don I really appreciate your feedback and advice. I'll put all this to practical use and let you know how it all comes out.Work Safely!Butch

   Edited 6/19/2005 8:24 am ET by BUTCHNME2

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   notDusty | Jun 19, 2005 07:08am | #5

    Butch ,

                Yes, when I said dial them in I mean adjust them to fit just right . Euro hinges are by far a way of making us look like a genius . Also they give us the ability to keep the doors fitting nicely as the wood moves and any seasonal movement or settling of the room or whatever . Choose a supplier and request a product catalog on whichever brand of hinges they carry , and you will have a spec breakdown so you will understand the different applications , and be able to determine the best hinge for each job . A pozzi drive screw driver is the only tool you will need to adjust the hinges .

                                               dusty

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   SenorDorado | Jun 19, 2005 03:11pm | #8

   Dusty I'm not sure what a pozzi driver is. I'm guessing this is a phillips head screw driver. Am I correct? Also in order to drill the hole for the cup what size Forstner bit is required?Thanks for all the advise, and as always Work safely.Butch

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   KeithNewton | Jun 19, 2005 05:34pm | #10

   You should get the drill bit from the supplier. I think it is 35 mm.

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   SenorDorado | Jun 19, 2005 10:50pm | #11

   Thanks, now that you mention it 35 mm sounds familiar.Work safely!Butch

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   papanick | Jun 20, 2005 07:26pm | #13

   if you can't find a proper 35mm bit, a 1-3/8" Forstner will do the trick (it's 34.925mm).

   Just watch the centre point, sneak up on the correct depth and no more. typically 10.5 or 11mm (7/16" light)The older I get, the better I was....

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   polarsea1 | Jun 19, 2005 08:06am | #6

   Blum's Clip Top half cranked hinge is what you are looking for.

   http://www.cabinetparts2.com/tech_data/blum/blumcatp11cliptop107.pdf

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   SenorDorado | Jun 19, 2005 03:22pm | #9

   Nice thread. I'll certainly put this site into good use.Work Safely!Butch

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   seanfitz | Jun 20, 2005 05:35am | #12

   I like these guys very much.

   http://www.youngdale.com

   If you go with their product be sure to order the plans for the hinge mortising fixture. It mounts on the table saw. It makes hinge mortises much easier, faster,and cheaper. 

   The tooling for drilling cup hinge mortises, or routing for single or double demountable hinges is available through the hinge supplier and generally works on only their hardware. So look at total cost.

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   Thew | Jun 20, 2005 08:12pm | #14

   If you have a woodworking store near you, they often have displays set up using the actual hinges. I found this very helpful for the first few applications I had. The Rockler near me has this set up. In fact, I think I even saw a similar display at Home Depot.