It been a long while since I been around- doesn’t look like I missed anything.
You know when I first came hear there were some real interesting woodworking discussed on this site.
Now looks like it is more House building and Yuppie want-a- be’s .
Am I the only one that feels this way?
It’s getting like going Lowes – where has all the REAL WOODWORKERS GONE.
I would like your input
Ron
Replies
Well, I'm still here, pugnacious as ever. Got a woodworking topic you want to air Ron, or are you happy just whining and griping? Slainte.
Richard! How are you? I hope all is going well.
Joe Gourlay (the bubinga buffoon from Houston)
Ron:
First off quit whining! If you want real wood working discussions why don't you start one? Second, I know of a lot of the Yuppie wanna be's that can and do have amazing wood working skills.
Could it just be that they have discovered spell check on their computers so they don't come across as poorly as you have?
Wood working should be something we can all enjoy in whatever fashion we wish. For some it very well may be Lowes or home depot for now. Maybe all of us "old-guys" should be a little more welcoming and help them see there is so much more than the Lowes mentality! So the next time you jump into a discussion, how about sharing some of your knowledge and experience? I for one have been involved in the custom furniture business for nearly 30 years and I still learn new things everyday sometimes even from the Yuppies!
Madison (And yup that's a Girl's Name!)
Touche!
Ya know I some what agree with with Ron. Ive been coming here along time. Now I mostly lurk. It seems the questions being asked are for the most part repetitive , same thing over and over . A lot of the questions have been beat to death reserrected and beat to death again. If the new folks would simply search the archives they would find ample enough threads with answers to their questions.
Im not bashing the new guys Im merely pointing out that the what kind of table saw question has been worn out..now Ill go back to lurking.
Darkworksite4:
El americano pasado hacia fuera ase la bandera
I think it is a good sign that the "same old questions" keep getting asked. It means that there are newbies coming into our craft. Newcomers mean that there will be more of us in the future. This ensures that there will continue to be books and vendors and online boards and all the other things we rely on.
Experienced folks can either not read "same old questions", or if you want to be helpful, you can answer one again to help out the newbies. In either case, it is easy to do, and no occasion for complaints.
I know Jamie that new people coming into the craft is great. But I still can understand why Ron feels the way he does. I go to some other sites and the new guys are very welcome and the oldies help them much like I do here. But it seems here FWIW the repetitive questions are more and more the norm. Im not complaining and I didnt take Rons post as a complaint but more as a observation.
Darkworksite4:
El americano pasado hacia fuera ase la bandera
part of the 'problem' is that woodworkers have faced the same problems for 5000 years - there are no new questions - - after one reaches a certain level of experience and competancy, the need for questions is reduced, hence the preponderance of 'entry level' questions -
I particularly enjoy the photos, particularly of projects of R Millard's, or Richard Jones, or the other accomplished woodworkers to inspire me to try for another level - - It would be good if there was some incentive for more people to 'bang their own drum' - I'm sure there are lots of humble lurkers out there with works that could inspire us..."there's enough for everyone"
I think I'm beginning to see Ron's point. Anyone who hasn't might look at the "Bow [sic] to cut long boards..." and the "wood staining for the uninitiated" threads below. Does this site really have to be at that level? What happened to the "fine" part?
Alan
Edited 5/8/2004 6:53 pm ET by Alan
Edited 5/8/2004 6:56 pm ET by Alan
Alan
I can understand what you're saying using the "cutting long boards" thread for example. But this is an open site and that means anyone that gets FWW and anyone that doesn't. It was a question from someone that doesn't know and would like to know.
I read the thread and 4 posts had already answered and covered 4 different ways the poster could proceed. The poster was covered and I proceeded on. Where else could the poster have gotten the info so easily and in a short time frame. HD or Lowe's?? Check the current crop of tool dept. folks and there and that's out. Buy a book on general carpentry which won't answer the question specifically as the book cannot relate to the individual circumstances as posted by the poster.
I think the bottom line is, there are those patient and understanding enough to answer the basic questions. If you are not one of those or not in the mood, move on. I read them if I have the time as every now and then someone's reply will toss out a "new trick" I have never seen or heard of. Nobody knows it all. Nobody has experienced every angle.
An alternative to those that become disturbed to the point they rage or be-little about the lack of philosophical WW questions would be to move their shop and themselves into isolation. Install a large mirror and they can authoratatively stand in front of it and ask REAL WOOD-WORKER questions. Then they can answer their own. A perfect conversation with a sure-fire way of avoiding the repetitive basic question that an introductory has few alternatives but to ask. ha.. ha....
Regards...
sarge..jt
Proud member of the : "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>)
The forum's at the level of those that participate. If you want to raise the standard, you'll have to post something that does.
Woodworkers come in all shapes, sizes and skill levels. Some of us make only fine cabinetwork. Some of us do a little of everything. Some do it as a hobby.
I buy stuff at Lowe's -- why should I drive a hundred miles to get 2x4's for a potting table? I also buy stuff at Steve Wall's in Mayodan, NC, for the same reason, reversed. Why would I pay $8.50/bf for S4S oak when I can buy rough oak from Steve for enough less to make a 100 mile round trip worth the gas in a Suburban.
Leon Jester, Roanoke, VA
Another Roanoker! I have thought of traveling to Wal Lumber. Does he have good material? How long does it take to get there from Roanoke?
Bones:
Steve's just down U.S. 220 in Mayodan, NC, about ten or so miles below the state line.
Takes about an hour and a half unless there's a race in Martinsville.
If you call ahead or e-mail, they'll have your lumber waiting for you. Steve's got good stuff, very competitive pricing. Nice folks to do business with.
http://www.walllumber.com or
1-800-633-4062
Leon Jester, Roanoke, VA
Ron,
I'm new here and this may be a stupid question but...
What are those little black diamonds every 19-7/32" on my tape measure for?
And heres one for the rest of you:
I want to have a piece of furniture built, how much will it cost?
Please be as accurate as possible.
Thanx.
Mr T
Happiness is a cold wet nose
Life is is never to busy to stop and pet the Doggies!!
I am what is referred to as a newbie and also a wanna be. I would like to thank all of the people who have previously answered my "silly questions". Because of them, I have become an acceptable woodworker. I am really sorry to read this post and I am sure you have probably scared off a lot of the people who would ask these menial questions. To all of you newbies take heart, there are a lot of other forums out there that do not mind so called 'silly questions' and actually like them.
Sincerely, bob black
bob
I wouldn't pack your luggage so soon. You will see more positive response than negative as you already have. You have just as much right here and to ask any question or make any statement as anyone else.
Let me teach you a trick about transaction history. Go to Mr T's post and look at the very top where the name appears as FROM: Click on the name and you will see the profile. Mr T joined Sept. 11, 2001. This was the 15th post since that date. Does this indicate we have a very shy person that lurks? Or maybe that computer character knows so much as not to have to ask a quetion or doesn't bother with an answer. Only 15 posts total and the 15th is sarcasm. That doesn't sound like a shy person to me. Sounds as if someone's bored. It's referred to as "trolling".
My suggestion is to keep asking the questions as you have and you will continue to get answers as you have. If someone gets out-of-line and in your face, direct them to your ... well, you get the drift. ha.. ha... ha..ha..ha..
The main thing is don't take some so serious, as they are not attempting to be.
Regards...
sarge..jt
Proud member of the : "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>)
Edited 5/8/2004 9:32 pm ET by SARGE
Mr T
"Im new here........."
You became a member on Sept. 11, 2001. That doesn't quite make you knew here.
"Here's one for the rest of you:"
"I want to have a piece of furniture built, how much will it cost? Try to be as accurate as possible".
Add (in your head or a calculator, CPA if necessary) the cost of material, labor, added mark-up by the builder, taxes and delivery if applicable and you have your cost. Tips are optional.
Enjoy your new furniture...
sarge..jtProud member of the : "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>)
"You became a member on Sept. 11, 2001."
Hey Sarge,
You have a profound gift for understatement! We all became "members" on that date, and boy, has the world changed since then!
All the best from sunny San Diego,
-Jazzdogg-
Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, you're right.
Edited 5/8/2004 9:06 pm ET by jazzdogg
jazz
Yep... Getting to where you can't trust anyone anymore, especially in-laws. ha.. ha...
80's in Atlanta and nice...
Regards...
sarge..jtProud member of the : "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>)
Jeeeze it was a joke at least thats how I took it. Mr T has quite a sense of humour and is a very light hearted guy. He is a regular at FHB and we are constantly answering that question about the black diamonds on the tape measure which is simular to the what table saw should I buy.
One of the other sites that I frequent have a lot of newbies there but the newbies questions are the same but different without all the repetition. http://www.woodworking.org Lots of good info and craftsman and humour mixed in. Its not the same old which TS to buy but maybe a I have a chance to buy a general TS or a Jet which would you prefer, then the next newbie would ask about say a rigid and a delta for example. Here at this site we have the advantage of using the archives. Which have all the answers to the questions in debth.
Darkworksite4:
El americano pasado hacia fuera ase la bandera
Edited 5/8/2004 11:24 pm ET by RonT
Ron
In that case, my apology to Mr. T. He didn't tip off he was kiddin' and when I saw the 15 post, thought he was trolling. The question he ask about the black diamond did tip off he was a builder, carpenter, etc. and not being one I found it interesting.
I had never paid attention to the black diamond as I'm not a carpenter and don't do framing. Not even an inquisitive thought. But I will take an amuteur stab at it just for fun. Guessing from the fact that you got black arrow-heads at 16-32-60, etc. for 16" centers on 2 x 4 stud centers. The larger black at 24"-48"-72" etc. are for stud centers on 2 x 6.
Here's my guess. The black daimonds are used when you got a door or window that is double studded. The distance from the inside of the door frame stud to the next supporting stud center is 19 3/16". 3 1/8" ( wet studs usually are about 1 9/16" thick) calculated for the double stud and 17/32" for the center of adjacent stud. That leaves 16" spacing between the center of double studs at door frame to the center of the single. You nail your inner door stud and tab the tape to the inside of door opening. Black diamond is marked as center of the next stud.
Thought about it for a couple of minutes and this is all I could come up with. So, what's the purpose of the black diamond?
Regards...
sarge..jtProud member of the : "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>)
There are no black diamonds on my tape, Sarge. There never have been, but I'm in the UK and work in metric. I used to live in the US as you know, but that's neither here nor there. However, if you divide 97-1/2" by 19-7/32" you get 5-- well near enough. How big is a standard piece of plasterboard or sheetrock? That I believe should point you in the right direction to an answer.
Mr. T's a regular with verbal diaerrheoa over at Taunton's hairy ersed, butt crack exposing, hammer swinging corner, and probably a lurker here at this effiminate, pinkie pointing, tea drinking end. A complete role reversal with myself most likely. I often go over there for light entertainment but rarely post. Slainte.RJFurniture
Slainte
Thanks. I had seen the black diamonds before, but as far as my know-ledge and use they could have been a map to the Ace of Spades hidden somewhere near the end of the tape.
If I ever fill out an application for a sheet-rock crew I'm gonna flaunt that one. Wonder if they would still hire after I tell them I don't do over-head sheet-rock as it's a PITA and will only do the walls. Nah, probably not. Think I will stick to what I do and staying at Holiday Inn instead. ha.. ha...
Regards...
sarge..jtProud member of the : "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>)
Sarge,
They are for a different layout mainly for floor joist and engineered wood. You can use them for framing as well, save some lumber but for some reason its not as popular as 16 OC and 24 OC. I dont use it because when Im laying out I use a framineing square which has 16 OC and 24 OC. I dont frame that often either to get used to a different system.
Darkworksite4:
El americano pasado hacia fuera ase la bandera
Edited 5/9/2004 12:28 pm ET by RonT
Ron
Thanks for all the info including the ID of Mr T. And now I know on both counts. Framing is very competitive down in GA. I don't know if codes come into play or not, but I have never seen any framing crew that didn't use 16" or 24". We don't have too many homes collapse or blow away, so I think that will continue to be the norm here. ha.. ha...
Regards...
sarge..jtProud member of the : "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>)
Mistah T as always you got me laughing..one of these days when I meet you im gonna buy ya a beer or anyother drink ya want...
Darkworksite4:
El americano pasado hacia fuera ase la bandera
Pretty hard to add to what others have so elegantly (Madison) or succinctly (Richard/Sgian) have said! Sheesh, Ron, if you don't like the place, then bring something to the table to improve it (per Sgian) or bow out until things come back to your liking. Attacking the members will get you nowhere.
You want our input? Uhhhhh, right. OK, my guess is that with approaching summertime comes a lessening of woodworking activities due to other distractions in life such as gardening, house-painting, vacationing, fishing, swimming, whatever! So things get a little slow at the forums. No biggie.
forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Another proud member of the "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>)
Edited 5/8/2004 12:14 pm ET by forestgirl
I think you have misunderstood my post. I loved what Madison had to say and could not have said it better myself.
Wow, I really screwed up! <insert red face here.> I was addressing Ron. Sorrrrry!forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)Another proud member of the "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>)
My guess is all WW's at any level at one time were "wanna-bes". What certification do you feel is required to be in the class you refer to as REAL WOOD-WORKERS?
Did you not ever have to ask any simple questions on your way to advanced or did you just evolve from the cradle as a REAL WOOD-WORKER?
sarge..jt
Proud member of the : "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>)
There is, now, "a five dollar fine for whinin'."
I haven't seen a forum...an active one, anyway...where the questions didn't repeat themselves as new members join. Archives are nice, but they don't answer all the specific questions.
New members are a good thing...so are folks tired of it and their answers reflecting that dropping out.
The answer is real simple, IMO. Save your standard answers on MS Word...index them...and pull them up for a cut and paste in seconds rather than reinvent the wheel.
“When we build, let us think that we build forever. Let it not be for present delight nor for present use alone. Let it be such work as our descendants will thank us for; and let us think...that a time is to come when those (heirlooms) will be held sacred because our hands have touched them, and that men will say, as they look upon the labor and wrought substance of them, ‘See! This our father did for us.’ “ --John Ruskin.
This forum may be occasionally repetitive but, collectively, we can only deal with the questions that are asked or address problems that are brought to the forum. From my perspective, I've been butchering wood for almost 30 years. I've heard most of the "old" questions, and learned from the old answers. Often, the old questions now generate NEW answers that shake up my way of viewing things...I like that!
Regards,
Ron (in Ottawa)
Ron,
I have felt the same way about the FWW forum but then I realized that it was only interesting to me when I first got here because of the people who did ask the repetitve questions...I wasn't about to search for them. Those were the questions that drew me into the forums.
I also realize that most of the repetitve questions now are worthless to me. But as I think about it, I have about ten books on woodworking. 90% of the info in those books is repetitve too. But I buy the books because of the 10% of original information that cannot be found elsewhere.
I applaud this site. This site does answer my questions....many times without me even having to ask. Woodworking is a dying art and this is one of very few places on the internet that keeps pros like me and beginners alike keeping the artform alive.
In my part of the nation, it is difficult to find someone to talk to about my craft but this site makes it possible to converse with craftsmen of all kinds.
ALL PRAISE TAUNTON!
GK
Yea gabe I agree with ya. Maybe thats it. I dont ask questions like I used to a few years ago.
Darkworksite4:
El americano pasado hacia fuera ase la bandera
Not only am I a yuppie wannabe, I am a lawyer yuppie wannabe who discovered that woodworking is a great hobby, even for people who may not be able to do "fine" woodoworking. I didn't mean to offend the real woodworkers out there with stupid questions. I guess it was pretty presumptuous of me to buy Fine Woodworking, let alone write a message to such a forum as this. I am truly sorry for dumbing down the dialogue -- is it okay if I still lurk? Maybe this Board should be password protected to keep the likes of me and my kind from accidentally wandering in and thinking that this is merely a place where readers of a particular magazine might discuss their common interests.
Just a thought...
It seems to me that the question of repetitive questions has been brought up plenty of times too. In fact, it bores me more than a "who makes the best TS" query.
Everybody has to start from scratch developing their skills. Come to think of it, the only difference in my work now from when I was a 'newbie' is that now I ruin more expensive wood. No particle board for me!
>> I guess it was pretty presumptuous of me to buy Fine Woodworking
Not presumptuous at all, Mark. Ultimately, that's what this forum is for, to get more people to subscribe to Fine Woodworking. In fact, what you really ought to do is buy all the back issues available from Taunton, then go on eBay and buy all the missing ones, read them all cover to cover, then come back and ask whatever questions you like.
WRT lurking, don't you think asking permission to lurk is kind of silly? 1) How could anyone know if you were lurking. 2) Why would anyone who knew object? 3) How could they prevent you from lurking if they did object?
BTW, do you know how the law regards damage to trees growing on a property line? There's a thread at Over the Fence started by someone who is afraid the new neighbors are killing the tree on or near the property line.
Marc was being sarcastic, I laughed a lot when I read his post... re-read and do the same ;)
>> Marc was being sarcastic ...
So was I.
Mark,
I'm a self employed wood worker since 1976. Custom reproductions, repair, restoration, conservation work on antiques. Just been on this list for a little while.
Couple years ago, I had a midlife thing, and bought an antique motorcycle. Been on the "virtual Indian" weblist for a while as well.
It's been a revelation to me to compare the responses on both lists to questions from clueless newbies (like me on the Indian list). There seems to be more of a welcoming attitude in the biking group and less elitism there. Some of those guys are re-engineering this old outdated iron for a run at the land speed record, re-making obsolete parts to modern specs, doing scholarly research on 75-100 yr old factory standards. Not your average grease monkeys, but if I write in and ask the best way to get into 1st gear without grinding, I don't get a condescending attitude along with the answer.
All-
What is it about woodworking that makes each of us feel he/she is the supreme authority on our little niche we've carved out? Is it that typically we are isolated out in our shops? I worked in three different shops before opening my own, and found that there are at least three "right" ways to do many of the everyday operations we perform. Maybe it's some kind of residual holdover from the secretive "art and mystery" of the trade that the old time master was to teach his apprentice. Like our knowledge will be diluted if it gets spread around. Maybe it was so painfully gained we need to give some discomfort along with the advice?
Granted there are many more posters to this list who go way out of their way to be helpful than otherwise. However, I've noticed a fair bit of attitude, along with the advice from a few of the listers. "Sheesh, don't you know THAT yet? Go read some books first then come back with your questions." A beginner doesn't need/ have time for that- he's having enough grief getting his table tops to stay flat long enough to glue them to the aprons!
Excuse the rant, I feel much better now, thanks.
Ray
Joinerswork:
Maybe human nature that once someone has done something perfectly (if there is such a thing) and then done it many times well, there is a degree of either confidence or competence developed. From where I am sitting, I don't know if it is superiority as much as point-of-view.
Again, in my opinion, the quickly typed word via the internet, leaves much of the tone and feeling of the writer to be interpreted by the reader. So, a certain brevity in writing might be interpreted as an emotion unintended by the writer. Alternatively, this quick medium allows things to be done so quickly without having to "face your accuser" and so I think people react quickly and fire off notes without thinking or at least, without considering how they will be received. Just a fact, but alot of manners are missing. So be it.
I have learned much from this website, read what I want to read and avoid the rest. I have always found most are willing to help, support, provide critique and inspire new thinking. Not sure what more we should expect from ourselves. Perhaps the website has not changed much, but someone can always add a valuable post that will advance our communication with each other on the topic of woodworking -- which interests us all.
Just to provide some BALANCE here, I am posting a link to my "Welcome Newbie's" thread from January of this year. Note the enthusiastic nature of the posts and responses, and the level of participation (126 posts!) No reason for a handful of grumps, naysayers and "elitists" (borrowed that one, eh?) to spoil the fun for the rest of us.
http://forums.taunton.com/tp-knots/messages?msg=15688.1forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)Another proud member of the "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>)
For a lawyer you sure are excitable. But as a lawyer you also surprized me failing to read and interpret this thread. So to cut to the chase in a way you can understand. USE THE ARCHIVES.
Darkworksite4:
El americano pasado hacia fuera ase la bandera
Ron
There is a great amount of wealth in the Archives. But the problem I fore-see with just checking the Archives is that if most of the questions asked could be answered by the Archives, we would all be congreating in the Cafe cause there would be very few post period.
Not everyone is interested in the Cafe. Therefore, the participation in the other categories would dwindle for lack of interest. I love being alone in my shop. But I also like to get other peoples views and angles even if I have the solution already. As joinerswork stated, there a lot of different ways to skin a cat. Somebodies elses might be more attractive to me than the one I currently use.
If everyone just checked the archives, there would be no live discussion outside the cafe where something new leaked out. Bottom line is I have no other reason to visit the site other than check the archives. Been in the archives and it's very quiet and lonely, just like a one man shop.
I like to get out of the shop ocassinally and see what people are thinking in regions around the world. Someone just might have come up with something new that isn't in the Archives and I want to know what it is.
Regards...
sarge..jt Proud member of the : "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>)
Yes and No Sarge, Yes there is a aweful lot of info there. For the standard what TS should I buy for example the archives is a great place. But there are so many new tools and products coming out and techniques ect. That there is still plenty of things to talk about. For example water based finishes. they are becomeing quite sophisitcated and LVLP are becoming popular, I think even the Jet or Delta TS issue would be great if they are asking about new products. Heck like that delta 18" BS its actually cheaper than the the 14" when you add some accessories like a moblie base and fence. There is plenty of things to talk about.
Darkworksite4:
El americano pasado hacia fuera ase la bandera
Ron
I can't disagree with that. But I am still for the open, come one-come-all, if ya wanna know ask forum. We all have the option to ask, answer or read any thread or post. We also have the option to lurk, remain silent, answer no questions or ignore any thread or stay off-line.
That gives all a lot of options and you simply have to chose the one's that express your needs, mood or abilities at the moment. I see no problems as I have options to come or go as I please, eat when I'm hungry, sleep when I'm tired and drink when I'm thirsty. Twenty-four/seven operation and the "enter" and "exit" lights are always on.. ha.. ha...
Regards...
sarge.jtProud member of the : "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>)
Sure I know your right and I do that. I dont really spend alot of time here like I used to. I do alot of lurking. Dont get me wrong Im not about new people asking the same questions but If they would just use the archives they for the most part would find there answer.
A fine example of what TS to buy is over at BT. A guy has a mak and wants to replace it because his blade guard is broken. So people suggest ways to buy a new one or repair the old one rather than replace a good tool. That sort of thing.
Darkworksite4:
El americano pasado hacia fuera ase la bandera
I'm a Yuppie. Go jump in a lake. I'd say it stronger, the moderator would bleep my post.
Chill out and check the archives
Darkworksite4:
El americano pasado hacia fuera ase la bandera
Must be a private joke. Check the archives? Check the archives for what?
This clown says all Yuppies and hobby woodworkers are idiots, and we're supposed to the check the archives? Huh?
If all the hobby woodworkers and Yuppies boycotted Fine Woodworking and left it to the pros, the magazine and this BB would be out of business in about 2 months. Think about that.
If this was a joke post, I didn't get it. Next time, try a smiley face or something like that.
17652.40 in reply to 17652.1
I'm a Yuppie. Go jump in a lake. I'd say it stronger, the moderator would bleep my post.
Yea for a relatively new poster at least one I havent seen before who is a business professional by your profile...Yea your post definately tells me you have a lot of class.
It been a long while since I been around- doesn't look like I missed anything.
You know when I first came hear there were some real interesting woodworking discussed on this site.
Now looks like it is more House building and Yuppie want-a- be's .
Am I the only one that feels this way?
It's getting like going Lowes - where has all the REAL WOODWORKERS GONE.
I would like your input
Ron
Please show me in his post copied above where he called anyone I mean anyone a idiot. I think your reading way to much into this and taking this way to personal. BTW there was a time in the not to distant past where this site WAS about 80-90% pro's who posted here. Not that it was a better or worse crowd just different.
I notice the same at Breaktime. The old guys are gone, Now a lot of DIY'ers are there. Again not that its a bad thing just different. They had the same sort of discussions abuiot homebuilding tools ect and they had there disagreements but it was definately more fun then it is now. For one thing I wouldnt be even having this discussion with you.
Darkworksite4:
El americano pasado hacia fuera ase la bandera
Edited 5/11/2004 10:04 am ET by RonT
Well for my part I have found a lot of helpful people here willing to share their knowledge and passion. In the end, when you are at the top of your craft pretty much all questions will sound repetitive for you. But for the person asking them they are new. If everyone simply used the archives the forum would die because there would be nothing to talk about.
I am new to wood working but I have participated in other types of forums where I was the one providing the answers. Never have I said to someone "That questions has been answered before, search the message base". I would simply answer the question again trying to be helpful and nice to someone who had less knowledge than I did. Sometimes I did not feel like answering so I did not. Choice was mine to do either but never have I even considered bashing someone for asking a question.
Might be nothing new for you but perhaps if you chatted with people that have less or no experience, you would find nice ideas you had not thought about before. New people bring new ideas since they don't know the limitations yet, sometimes that is all it takes for a master to do something he (or she) had never done before.
Edited 5/11/2004 1:33 pm ET by Calendyr
I'm not a professional woodworker. I am a contractor. This BB is a great BB with lots of helpful people and advice. Thanks to you all. That having been said, this post is ridiculous. I hope it is a joke.
Regards,
Boris
"Sir, I may be drunk, but you're crazy, and I'll be sober tomorrow" -- WC Fields, "Its a Gift" 1934
Hmmmm , I can't speak for every one else but, How would I respond?....
BITE ME!
I can respond to that..Check the archives
Darkworksite4:
El americano pasado hacia fuera ase la bandera
Ron,
I respectfully suggest you take a deep probe of your attitude.
Where else would you suggest people who are adopting woodworking as a hobby/love/pasttime/profession go to avoid getting in the way of really good woodworkers like you??
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