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   migraine | Apr 25, 2003 07:09am | #1

   Go HVLP with a pressure 2+gal pressure pot(my pots is a Binks).  Mask sure the top of the pot has 2 pressure guages.  One to control the pot and one to control the nozzle.  Some pots only have the one and you need to use the compressor regulator which does not give you enough consistant control.  I have a Binks gun and the other brands that a GOOD paint distributer sells would probably be sufficient.  Every store/finisher swears theirs is best.  Make sure you do gety a brand from a good supplier that has replacement tips redily availble.  There are many different needles and nozzles for different type of finishes and viscosities.   Talk to your local paint rep.  they may be able to tell you when they have a manufacture's promotional sale coming up.

   By the way, I have siphon pots, airless sprayers,  gravity and siphon shading guns, and even a few of the old "illegal" Binks 2001 guns that don't meet the Calif requirements and they ALL come in handy at some time or another.  DON'T skimp on the price of the gun and pot .  I find the 15'-25' pot hose is more than sufficient.

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   RW | Apr 25, 2003 04:34pm | #2

   Ron, I don't think anyones just trying to blow hot air at you. I've read most of your recent posts on finishing. If you say how do I finish red oak, it's too broad a question for anyone to be able to give you what you want. I suspect most are trying to illustrate some options so you can refine what it is you're looking for. On the spray systems, I thought it was wide open again, and not knowing what you were spraying, directed the answer towards things you might consider to refine your selection. I rarely tell anyone "Do THIS". I usually say "here's options." Not many people outside the military respond well to just being given orders, and here on the forum, there's often multiple acceptable ways to solving any given issue. If you don't want to think about it and just want something that works without considering the other issues, then I'll echo what I said earlier and migraine's post - get a 2001 pressure pot from Binks with dual regulators. Spend the money for a good filter between the compressor and the pot. You'll be content.

   "The child is grown / The dream is gone / And I have become / Comfortably numb "      lyrics by Roger Waters

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   Kell | Apr 25, 2003 04:49pm | #3

   Ron,

   Here's my two cents.  If you've never done any spraying, start with one gun on one project where the finish is not life and death.  Learn what you can from that experience and then make a decision on what you'd like to try next.  While there are black and white answers to some questions, finishing is an area where there are many right answers and few wrong ones.  There's a great deal of hocus pocus involved, in my opinion.

   FWIW I have a Porter Cable HLVP gun that I bought at Lowe's for $100.  So far, I have shot aniline dye, lacquer and water based poly with it and each time I was able to get exactly the colors and finishes I wanted.  I use a 30 gallon, 5HP PC compressor that is oilless.  There are others who read this forum who would scoff at my rig and say they could get a much better finish, much faster, with more / different equipment.  That doesn't make them right or me wrong.  It simply makes us different.  And my customers, one of whom is my wife, have no complaints.

   Good luck and enjoy the journey,

   Kell

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   WorkshopJon | Apr 25, 2003 05:16pm | #4

   Ronnie,

   I've been spraying finishes professionally for over twenty years (nearly every kind imaginal) so here's my take. You say,

   "I am buying a Campbell Hausfeid Compressorr 7hp ,60 gal,SCFM 11.8 /40, 10.3 / 90 psi.Cast iron , it is not an oil less."

   If you have yet to purchase it, and you can afford it, get a two stage (anything) almost twice the CFM for the same HP rating.

   "Should I go HVLP or Suction type or?which works the best?"

   Get both. Each have there place. Suction guns are cheaper and easier to learn on.

   "Which brand?"

   For a suction gun, I hate to say this but some of the cheap imports don't work all that bad. The price is certainly right.

   For an HVLP go with a name brand like Binks or DivilBess.

   Jon

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   Paul_Snyder | Apr 26, 2003 12:17am | #5

   Ronnie - how much spraying will you be doing short term and long term?  How much $ is "affordable?"

   HVLP conversion spray guns that work with a compressor come in siphon feed, gravity feed, and pressure feed (pot) versions.  For limited spraying, a siphon feed of gravity feed cup gun will suit your needs (how much do you want to spend?).  For frequent spraying, or large items, a pressure feed system with a 2 quart or even 2 gallon pot will suit most needs.   A versatile system would include a siphon cup gun with an additional pot and hoses.  For small jobs you use the cup; for large jobs you use the pot.

   If you just want a cup gun that will work with your compressor - there are two inexpensive guns that perform well to choose from. In the siphon feed version there's the Wagner HVLP for $130.  In gravity feed the Astro at around $80 is a heck of a deal.

   If you want versatility (the option to use a pot now or later) and a full range of optional accessories, then move into a higher quality (and cost) system.  My favorite is the Asturo ECO (uses very little air and sprays exceptionally well). You can also get it with a pressurized 1 quart siphon cup that allows you to spray thicker coatings.  There are a number of other brands to chose from as well.  I use the Binks and like it - a good option.

   How much spraying do you plan to do and how much money seems reasonable?

   Paul

   F'burg, VA