(i = imitation. Some sage called it the sincerest form of flattery.) Attached are pictures of an imitation Dubby loosely based on pictures posted by Tom77 to Forestgirl and a link posted by WillGeorge to the Rockler site with a picture of their Dubby copy. The base is 1/2″ baltic birch riding on an Incra slide and a couple wide strips of slippery tape. The fence pivots on a 1/4-20 carriage bolt through a steel sleeve. It locks with a 1/4-20 T-bolt.
The alignment screw goes through a threaded insert and is kept in place by a lock nut. Alignment was a piece of cake. I started with a rough alignment with a carpenter square. Then did the procedure where you cut a wide board, stand the two pieces on edge, flip one over and butt them together. Any gap is equal to twice your alignment error. It only took two tweaks and three test cuts to get it dead on. After making some angle cuts and even taking everything apart to shellac all the pieces and reassembling it was still dead on.
One of the drawbacks (for me anyway) of the original Dubby is that it nips off the front corner of the fence when making angle cuts. I like to align my cut mark with the fence. I mounted a sacrificial fence to a T-slot in the front of the fence. After an angle cut (or when changing saw blades) I can slide it over to get a fresh corner.
The T-slot in the top of the fence was intended for a Kreg flip-stop. It didn’t work out. (The fence isn’t high enough.) I kludged up a base for an Incra Shop Stop. I think it will work out great.
I really liked the Rockler T-slot parallel to the cut edge for a hold down. As you can see, the sled will safely cut pieces less than an inch long. The Kreg mini-holddown is great because the jaw is plastic and there is no need to worry about it contacting the blade.
I’m looking forward to a long relationship with the iDubby. I’ve retired my old sled with the warped plywood base, the wobbly wooden runner and the curved, fixed fence.
George
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The flip-stop is a nice feature to the TS sled. Where can I buy one (other than at Rockler)?
I got mine direct from Incra at http://www.incrementaltools.com/SearchResults.asp?Search=shopstop But it wasn't designed for a wooden fence. I had to come up with base for it.
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George,
Very nice job. It makes me want to build "son of dubby" to replace my old dubby. I still use it nearly every day, and your enhancements would be very helpful.
Tom.
Actually they are very easy to build. The alignment is much easier than a fixed fence sled. And accuracy is just a natural by-product.
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Nice work. If a table saw came with stuff like this and more I might get all excited about buying a good one.
By the way is that an Inca table saw or one of the Saw Stops saws ?
I have seen these slides before where the falling cut off is hanging off the end like yours. It kind of bothers me. Seems like it is best to support the cut off as well. Lots of great builders use your type so I must be worring about nothing. Have you ever wished the iDub extended to both sides of the blade ?
roc
Give me six hours to chop down a tree and I will spend the first four sharpening the axe. Abraham Lincoln ( 54° shaves )
Roc
It is a SawStop cabinet saw.
Generally the falling cutoff is not a problem. When I have something I think may be a problem I have piece of 1/2 inch ply about 5" X 60" with slippery tape on top that I put on the cutoff side to catch it. The piece of ply has a short tongue on the end that drops into the space between the fence rail and table to keep it in place. I don't know how much it actually helps but it gives me a little peace of mind.
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Cool ! Thanks !rocGive me six hours to chop down a tree and I will spend the first four sharpening the axe. Abraham Lincoln ( 54° shaves )
Excellent! I like the hold-down arrangement also. I think I was supposed to get you some mxs off my Dubby, and forgot. Sorry! But seems you did great without.
FG,
No problem on the mxs. I used eclectic measurements anyway - adapted them to fit the material on hand and the mood of the moment.
BTW in one of your posts you mentions problems with your fence hanging up when you pivoted it. Have you solved that? If not, I have a couple of suggestions.
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Fire away with the suggestions, Dusty. I moved on to building a scrap-bin (organizing my shorts, as it were), and put the Dubby away for the moment.forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
FG,
a. I notice you have the bolt as part of the knob. Try a T-bolt up from the bottom into a female knob.
b. Replace the T-nut you have on the bottom with an oval nut. They may not have as many threads but should still have enough to hold.
c. I slobbered all my slots full of wax, then ran a bolt/nut back and forth several times before wiping the wax out.
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>organizing my shorts<It is not too early to organize one's shorts. It was 77° F here in Colorado today. A new record for this date here.: )If this global warming keeps up it will be like Hawaii every where soon. The entire wardrobe will consist of shorts and flip flops.rocGive me six hours to chop down a tree and I will spend the first four sharpening the axe. Abraham Lincoln ( 54° shaves )
The iDubby earned its keep this morning. I've been using it for routine tasks but this morning I was making some small finger joint boxes (@5"L x 2.5"W x 1.5"H). The stop and hold-down features on the iDubby made trimming and grooving the pieces easy, accurate and safe. Don't know how I could have done the job without it.
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I guess I'm coming in a bit late on this thread. Looks like a nice sled. Is there a basic plan out in cyber land?
Still shivering in the frozen hell Record set today -30c this AM and wind chill -40.
Feels like Bill Murrey and groundhog day. Just keeps going on no change.
Minus 30! Brrrr! Where are you from? Your profile doesn't say. Here in San Antonio we are welcoming our cool weather (in the plus forties) and some much needed rain.
I don't know of any plans, per se, for a Dubby sled in cyberland. Basically it is a straight forward sled with a swinging, alignable fence. If you are interested in making one like it, I will be glad to answer any questions you have.
Hope you thaw out soon, George
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Edited 3/11/2009 9:13 pm ET by DustyGeorge
How far out of the loop are you, Shoe? Are you aware that it's a home-made version of this Dubby sled from In-line Industries?? The Dubby came up in conversation last month when I dug an auction-find out of the rafters and discovered it was missing some parts. Dusty got going and built one, presto!!
forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Edited 3/11/2009 10:16 pm by forestgirl
Talk about being out of the loop. I just found this thread and about 2 weeks ago unpacked the Rockler version I purchased about a year ago. Needed to make some picture frames and decided it was time unpack the thing. I might have used some different materials but I do like it. Only thing I have to remember is to measure the blade height from the deck.
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Let us know how the picture frames go, ASK. The poor Dubby, gets no respect, what with us leaving it in the box forever. LOL!forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
I had been using either my compound miter saw which I don't really like for cutting 45° angles or the miter guage on the table saw. I added a 30' metal track to the guage which wasn't bad but the idubby I like a lot better. I also found a very convenient place to store it on a shelf under the drill press table. The frames came out a lot better then I have used to. Already got a coat of poly on them last weekend.
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is there any y reason why the dubby is only one sided. I have a sled that rides in both miter slots I made, great for cut offs but can't do miters with it, except I've nailed down some some scrap when miters are needed, like picture frame molding for wainscoat.ML
They do make a double, it just happens the one I found at the auction was a single. Here's the double <click for their web page> Pretty versatile "It can be: fastened together as a single panel cutter, used with stack dados or blade tilt, and cuts compound frames as easily as flat frames."
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Dusty,
I'm curious about the carriage bolt/sleeve you used for the pivot on the fence and the stop?
Prolly a dumb question but couldn't one use a simple hinge and perhaps a sacrificial fence to get to the same place?
Regards,
Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
Bob,
I'm sure it would be possible to use a simple hinge. Right now I can't visualize an arrangement with a hinge that would be as easy to use and accurate as the carriage bolt. Of course it is still early and I've only had one cup of coffee.
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Hi Dusty,
Your iDubby inspired me to try adding a mitre jig to my sled. I wanted to keep the mods to the sled to a minimum so I used a dowel instead of the carriage bolt, but can substitute it later if all goes well.
After thinking about it some more I fully agree the a hindge would not be the right way for me and I wanted a jig that is easily mounted/removed.
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It's still in the experiment stage. Extra fancy C-clamp to hold the fence. :-)
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I left the dowel proud of the rear fence but glued it in - the bottom I sanded lightly and chamfered the end to ease entry into the hole in the bed.
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The sled is 1/2" Baltic Birch to minimize both depth of cut loss and weight.
From the initial cuts it works quite well. It's a bit on the rough side right now but I'll be adding refinements as I tweak it. Still deciding how to handle the positioning of the fence and hold down(s).
I use the sled much more than I thought I would and adding the mitre jig really opens many doors so I venture to guess thetime was well spent. Mebbe next might be a taper jig......
Thanks for kick start,
Regards,
Bob @ Kidderville Acres
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Edited 3/12/2009 8:17 pm ET by KiddervilleAcres
Bob,
Looks good. Keep us posted on any further improvements.
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Bob, How do you do that?
That is, embed a photo in the text of your post? I've tried copying the photo to my clipboard and pasting into the message composition window. It basically ignores me. All I can do is attach the photo after composing the message.
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Dusty,
OK, here's one way. I use it a lot cause it's easier for me, your mileage may vary though. 'Side I'm prolly older than you too.
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First enter your text message, you don't have to type it all in at once. Go to the bottom of the text window and Attach Files like you normally do. Once ye got em all attached, then go to Preview. Whilst in Preview go down and click on one of the icons and the pic displays on yer screen. Right cliks on the pic on the screen and select Copy from the drop down menu when ye right click.
Click Back on your browser and yer back to the text box. Down at the bottom click on Revise. Now you right click again in the text box where you want the pic to appear and hit Ctrl + V and the pic pastes itself into the text box.
Bobs yer Uncle,
P.S. What I wanna know how to do is how to paste smiley faces into the text box. Wonder if it could be the same way??????????
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Edited 3/14/2009 6:46 pm ET by KiddervilleAcres
Bob, Thanks.
"'Side I'm prolly older than you too. " I doubt that. Not unless you fibbed on your profile. I was born in '36.
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"I've tried copying the photo to my clipboard and pasting into the message composition window. It basically ignores me." Dusty, that's because the picture has to reside in a publicly-accessible place in cyberspace. When you use Bob's approach, you are placing the photos on Taunton's server, and then copying it (and it's hidden HTML shortcut) into the text box of the message.
I used to keep mine stored on the server-space that comes with my internet accoung (you know, those "personal web page" space allotments). I started having trouble, though, with the software I use to get them there (FTP client, they're called). So I adopted Bob's approach.forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
FG,
Thanks, I've tried Bob's approach. Works great. Isn't it amazing what you can learn when you ask questions?
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George,
Not to beat this thing to death but I put pics into the post for several reasons not the least of which I feel maybe some folks might want to copy a pic for their own use later.
Just kinda keeps thing neat and tidy for me; ye know, "everything in its place" mentallity. Is this a sign of curmudgeoness?
Regards,
Bob @ Kidderville Acres
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Shouldn't an iDubby have a neck strap and earphones, though? ;-)
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I see an advantage to this jig with a very short piece of stock.. I see a dis-advantage losing 3/4" of cut depth but.... what are the advantages over simply using say an Incra miter gaurge and sacrificial fence?
Sarge..
Sarge,
I agree there is no great advantage over a good miter gauge in most situations. I just feel more comfortable using a sled. When is comes to angle cuts my Incra miter gauge is much more accurate than the sled. BTW it only loses 1/2 inch on cut - but it is still a loss. Most of the time I don't miss it.
Further BTW calling someone Sarge just comes natural to me. I was 30 years in the Air Force. I am guessing you are also retired military. What service?
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Sarge is a carry-over from 66'-69' when I served. I went to work for a company that had 23 John's. We received about 2200 calls a day and if you ask for John.. which one would have to be the reply. So.. the original John stayed just that and the guys pegged me with Sarge as I was one when with "P" Co. 75th Ranger Regiment in Vietnam. I still Alpha.. Bravo.. Charlie.. Delta everything over the phone so it kind of fit.
I was ask to re-up.. but after just coming home from Nam with Russian RPG shrapnel in my back and.. the fact I was making $13.88 a day which included $55 a month combat pay.. I decided to pass on their deal and try my luck in the civilian world. :>)
I don't see a major advantage of a sled personally. It would be good with the very short pieces that I mentioned but... I simply purchased two of the Incra V 27 cheapest without a fence. I add my own phenolic ones of various lengths to use with a piece of scrap for a stop block. I measure from the blade out to the stop point and slap a Quik-clamp on it. To do 45* on the end of pieces I use a scrap block already cut at 45* to get a positive fit once one side is free cut. Turn that side around and it fits snugly under the clamped 45* stop block.
I have pretty good range as I have a "his and her's" gauge.. one set up with short fence for smaller jobs and one set up to do up to 6'. Works fine and a cheap investment IMO. I do like the Dubby taper jig but.. I just built one and made some improvements I felt needed improving. Mine rides the TS fence very snugly with no play. I used some different hold downs than the stock Dubby taper also.
Nice job on the jig and enjoy your retirement. Thanks for serving your country, George.
Highest regards...
Sarge.. john t
Sarge,
Good looking tapering jig. I've attached a picture of mine. My original rode the fence. This one rides the miter groove. It does lose a full 3/4" cutting depth. Which has come close to being a problem. If it ever becomes a problem I will have to find another way to skin the cat.
Man that is monster Off switch on your saw. Is that Steel City issue or did you add it?
BTW in re to thanks for serving, I need to thank folks like who were actually in harm's way. Thanks to you I was able to luck out and spend 30 years active duty and 19 years as an Air Force civilian without being assigned to a combat zone. The closest I got to actual combat was a year at U-Tapao, Thailand. You folks in 'Nam considered that an R&R location. The most dangerous things there were the baht bus drivers.
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That's a nice taper jig, George. I started to go with a miter slot ride but didn't have a miter slide on hand at the moment. I keep odds and ends around so when I need a jig.. I can throw it together quickly and get on with it. I tried several types of hold-downs and found the ones I have in an obscure spot on the Woodcraft web-site. They are from some Pinnacle jig and were sold separately. I like the straight push down effect they achieve.
The Kill Paddle is one of my home-brew. Nothing more than a scrap of wood with a portion cut out to have access to the ON. It's attached with a standard door butt hinge to the bottom of the rail. The OFF is covered by the main portion and requires just a light touch of the knee. You can't miss that puppy for sure. The guys at Steel City laughed about Big Red. I know the president of Steel City Toolworks and all the rest of the crew. I demonstrated machines for them at the International WW Fair in Atlanta last fall. Great group of people.
I build my own guards and safety attachments for the most part. I like to tinker and Forest Girl calls me frugal. Most just call me cheap. :>) Probably the truth is closer to the second description as I'm a poor boy. I'll throw a pic of my main TS set-up in and let you go. I am awaiting finish to dry on a computer desk and hutch and spot read the forum between task.
Regards...
Sarge..
Edited 3/13/2009 10:27 pm ET by SARGEgrinder47
Dusty, That is a great looking taper jig.
If you take the time to make jigs like that, I bet that your projects are spectacular!
Opps.. that was a pic of a 45* angle cut. I'll try again.
You've been caught again, Sarge. I saw the V device on the Bronze Star- did anyone else.
Do you all know what the V device represents? and, for that matter, what the Bronze Star is?
Stef
Stef,
Valor
Regards,Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
Oh yeah, and that's just starting. There's an awful lot going on beyond the V.
Regards,Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
Yeah... V device an Oak Leaf Cluster they tell me. I just seemed to be in the wrong places at the right time regardless of how hard I tried to avoid that. At this point... I might be able to get a free cup of coffee at Waffle House but.. that's because I know the waitress. ha.. ha... ha..ha..ha..
Regards...
Sarge..
Edited 3/14/2009 7:29 pm ET by SARGEgrinder47
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