Inca Saw, Mighty-Mite? Need ID help
I scored a little Inca table saw at a fundraising sale/auction last Saturday. It’s the model 341.017 Injectag, about a 7″ blade. For those who aren’t familiar with Inca, it’s (or it was??) a Swiss company. What little I’ve heard indicates they made fine machines. I’m gonna need some help figuring out all the parts for this thing. Won’t be able to work on it for a few days, but thought I’d get some pictures up (lots of them!):
The saw from afar:
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A closer shot, showing the slot-mortising (horizontal boring, whatever) set-up:
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A closer shot of said mechanism:
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Hubby found a box of parts, misplaced onto one of the full-sized saws that was at the sale. My hero!! Here’s where some mystery lies, for sure. For instance, this conglomeration of parts:
There appears to be a splitter, but not sure what the item on the left is — Centering pin, LOL?:
Looks like a tenoning jig:
And hold-downs:
Totally not sure about the next two:
It came with a fence and two faces, two extra blades, and a few other goodies. Not sure if the motor runs, a 1 HP Dayton. Stand appears to be a standard stock item, it’s in great shape!
Any gems of wisdom or miscellaneous tidbits of knowledge are welcome and greatly appreciated!
forestgirl — you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can’t take the forest out of the girl 😉
Edited 7/10/2007 2:29 am by forestgirl
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Nice score forestgirl! Swiss precision.
Garrett Wade used to sell Inca saws. They may still have someone around who knows the line. A friend of mine has one. IIRC, he mentioned something about a non-standard sized arbor. What's yours?
Mike Hennessy
Pittsburgh, PA
Hi, Mike. I'll have to check on the arbor size. It is small! Thanks for the info about Garrett Wade.forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
The part with the small knurled knob shown in the upper half of your last photo is a cut-off stop that attaches to the fence on the miter-gauge. It has a pivot so you can flip it out of the way when not needed.
I didn't see a miter-gauge, though.
Umberto Eco, The Island of the Day Before
Hi, Cold One. Oh, yes, there's a miter gauge. Makes sense that the part you're referring to would be a stop. Just now, though, I couldn't figure out how it goes on the miter-gauge fence. There's a couple other parts that might be involved. Lemme get them cleaned off later this afternoon, and play around with them. I might have some questions for ya afterwards.forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
I still use a couple of Inca machines (planer/jointer and 10" bandsaw).
There is an Inca user group, and some French outfit has apparently bought the rights to the machinery, and apparently, you will be able to get parts from them.
All this is buried in my bookmarks; let me know if it would be useful, and I wil dig out the links.
I'm not familiar with their TS, but generally, it is great equipment -- kind of like the Festool of 20-30 years ago.
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John Wooden 1910-
Nikki, you are just full of info! Doing a Google search on the company and its tools has proven very difficult, but I finally got it narrowed down so I'm not getting so many hits on Inca civillization, LOL!
You have provided some important info, thanks! Any links you can provide would be greatly appreciated. Especially any active forum. The one forum I found had a last post in 2006....
Capitalism lives! Here's an Inca Machinery book on Amazon, sellers want $44 each, though.forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Here's a link to the French outfit:http://www.incamachines.com/index.htmlAnd here's the link for the Inca User group at Yahoo (let me know if this does not work, and I will get you there another way):http://groups.yahoo.com/group/incawoodworking/I have also saved some Knots threads about Inca, but they are about 2 years old. Let me know..............********************************************************
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Thanks, Nikki. Google really let me down on that one, so glad to have some help. I've "joined" the Inca group, awaiting approval. I've gotten contact info for the previous West Coast rep, so if I need parts, I might be able to get them from him. Life is good!forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
FGFrom the old Carson "Carnack" routine:Answer: Inca dinka doo.Question: What stain is difficult to get out of your Inca dinka?Good luck with your Inca. Tom
"Notice that at no time do my fingers leave my hand"
Hey,
I use a 10" Inca table saw that looks very similar to this one. I also have a small bandsaw by Inca. Definately check with Garret Wade for parts and advice, but they are no longer really in the Inca business. They just have some leftover parts. The French company doesn't support the woodworking line anymore either. At least the small shop versions, they might be into industrial stuff, I don't remember.
The arbor on my 10" is 20mm. I'm sure yours is also metric. I have had no trouble getting blades sized for it, although it costs a couple of bucks. The one item you are unsure of gets screwed to the crosscut guide as a length stop. The piece below that appears to be a replacement for the bed support on you mortise table. Don't know what the hub looking thing is.
Have fun.
Jim
Jim ,
The arbor diameter on the smaller saw which Jamie has is 15mm, whilst for the Major (ten inch) the diameter is 20mm.Philip Marcou
Forest Girl,
The multi piece assembly with the wood faces is a hold down assembly, I suppose it could be used with ripping on the saw but I suspect it came off of a small shaper or router table.
John White
Hi, John. I missed your message yesterday. It's for the table saw too! See:http://forums.taunton.com/fw-knots/messages?msg=36769.20forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
FG:
The fourth photo down shows a hold-down and guard for a shaper fence, as John noted. I don't know what the far right item ease; it doesn't look related to the other two.
I know this because my Felder combo has exactly the same thing, though in newer materials. The top of the shaper hood has the same type of hexagonal bar for mounting those attachments.
They work really well, and it make it impossible to get your hands near the cutter. Also the guard will stop things flying around should the worst happen.
Anyway, you won't need it with your saw!
Regards,
Hastings
Hi, Hastings. Turns out that the same device was included with the table saw also, and is used as a safety device when ripping. Big "Thank You" to Philip for sending me a scan of the user's manual. Here's a pic of the device in action:
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This is a useful thread: a local woodworker, also a female, has just come into possession of an Inca table saw. I'll forward this link to her and she'll be thrilled at all the useful information. Thanks, Norm
Norm, isn't it great how knowledgeable and accesible all these folks are?? She'll need to register to read the thread, but you can reassure her (if she's concerned) that it won't precipitate a bunch of unwanted e-mail and such.forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Yes, it is an impressive group. You are certainly high in the pantheon, yourself, F.G. I've always found your questions and answers useful. I'll forward the link to my friend Pat when she returns from Australia. Thanks, again. Norm
Hi f_g
The mystery item is a shaw guard setup for a shaper/router table.
It pushes the piece hard against a fence and hard against the table.
The 'splitter' is a riving knife. Check the back of the blade for where it fits. It could have been removed to fit a larger blade, but I'd pop it back on for safety reasons. Once aligned, it will follow the blade if you tip the thing over at an angle. I don't know where the drift/podgy fits however.
The hold-downs would go with the slot mortising attachment - look on the table for locations. The last image has me guessing - looks as though the slot in the 'L' shaped piece is about the same size as the bar that fits in the mitre guide
Cheers,
eddie
edit: THe 'L' shaped piece could be a stop for the missing sliding fence/mitre gauge.
Here's a manual:
http://www.doebeli.ch/v1.x/id_nl_image.html?image1=/labels/inca/english.html
look in the middle of the page for the 'technical printings' - 'kreissaege kompact'
As well - look at the 'second hand machines' link on this (doebeli.ch) site for tips on where things go.
Edited 7/10/2007 10:57 pm by eddiefromAustralia
Hi Jamie,It's an easy matter to get a 'reducing bush' for the saw blade.If you can't get one locally, google for your closest Leuco centre - they should carry reducing bushes to convert an off-the-shelf blade to a 15mm bore.Cheers,eddie
Hi, Eddie. I'm thinking Freud might make blades with the right arbor hole. Gotta get ahold of Charles.forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
The riving knife came in two sizes, one for thin-kerf, if I'm scanning the manual right. I hope I have the nuts/bolts that are needed. See http://forums.taunton.com/fw-knots/messages?msg=36769.20 for a picture of how the big hold-down works on the table saw.
Wow, what a great help everyone's been!forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
"Looks like a tenoning jig:" That is correct-and if you make a suitable base it can work nicely on your other saw-I did that for my Delta, not having the Delta tenon jig.
The last item is a setting device to use with the moulding head- to obtain equal knife projection to the nearest mile.
Thanks Philip,The thing that looked like a squashed Dalek had me guessing.It makes sense now.CHeers,eddie
Hi, Philip. The scans have been invaluable!
I forgot to mention that it came with a molding head and two sets of cutters. How lucky can one get?!forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Forestgirl,
I coveted an Inca Cabinetmakers saw back in the 80's but couldn't afford one. I went looking for one a few months ago and learned they went out of business and a French CO. was trying to resurrect the brand. I fear they will end up being made in China or somewhere in Asia.
An American company has spare parts still in inventory. Here is the thread with the details:
http://forums.taunton.com/fw-knots/messages?msg=35295.4
I'd make a call to Jessee to see if he can help you.
Greg
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Hi, Greg. Thanks for the info.forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Thanks to everyone!!! Man, if we were all in one place I'd definitely take y'all out for a beer (or two or three). Wow!
I have not found the review I am afraid, although I found one for the bandsaw! You have the Inca compact, came to the UK in 1981 and sold for £269 including taxes.
Those guards you show came off the spindle moulder, I suppose the original owner may have outfitted his workshop with Inca machines. There is a length stop off the bandsaw and I suspect the mitre jig is spindle related.
Hope this helps (and is correct!).
Hi, Mufti. You must have missed this post and picture. That accessory also came with the table saw! I haven't had a chance to sit down with all the parts and the manual, but a brief glance leads me to believe all the parts are for the saw. So happy......forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Hey FG,
I have almost the same saw! It is very well-constructed, but has a small top for little European shops. Looks a little older than mine. Mine has dovetail slots on table bottom and a sectional table top so you can manipulate the small table pieces to do whatever job you need.Said mechanism is a mortising table. Chuck up a mortising bit in the PTO on the side. Next one is mounted to table on other side of rip fence. Applies downward and sideways pressure for slot-cutting. Neat jig. Next is a riving knife (splitter), mounting bolt is in front of blade. Hold downs are for the mortising table. The next I think is a tenoning jig but may be missing something. The last few I don't know. Yes Garrett Wade sold them. I got mine second hand and have a few of those pieces that I can't identify.
I finally got a Jet cause the small size was very limiting. I still have it and use it though. Nice find.
Johnny
Hey, Johnny, cool! The table on mine is sectional also -- the right side will slide over when needed. Everything has been ID'd. The thing that looks like a hub with a knob in the middle and a rod sticking out the side is a jig for setting the knives in the molding head (there's a molding head and 2 sets of knives, not pictured).
Do you have a manual for your saw. If not, here's a link so you can print one. It should show you what your unidentified pieces are. The English text is on the right-hand side.
I bought this little gem to resell it and generate some cash, but I have a feeling I'll end up wanting to keep it. So many people give it major thumbs-up for accuracy, seems like it'd be good for smaller projects, and the boring table is pretty neat.forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
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