How sinful would it be for me to plane a painted board? I have two oak panels (the sides to an old cabinet), they measure 1 inch thick, about 24″ wide, and about 7 feet long. It’s great wood, painted on one side, and obviously I’d have to rip it down to get it through my 12.5″ planer. I don’t think the paint is very thick, but is it pretty guaranteed to deal death to a set of blades, or might I be able to touch ’em up afterwards and keep using them?
forestgirl — you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can’t take the forest out of the girl 😉
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Forest_Girl, please don't do that. Strip the paint off first then plane them. Its not so much that it will dull the blades but the cutters get hot and the paint melts onto them and is nearly impossible to get off them, the surrounding surfaces and feed rollers. Now, how do you think I know this.
John
John, some math here: [Thank You] X 1,000 = Forever Indebted
I didn't even think about heat, rollers, 'n stuff. Warning heeded and much appreciated!forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Any time.John
forest_girl,
Are you totally against using stripper or in a hurry? Make sure no hidden metal lurks under that paint, that is probably more damaging than the paint. Good luck, sounds like a great find. Big Daddy(Living large on the Kitsap Peninsula)
Yo! What part of the KP are you inhabiting large?? I'm over on Bainbridge.
Oh, on topic! Not against strippers or in a hurry, just wondering what my options are. Sounds like planing is definitely not one of them. Time to dig out the chemicals.forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
fg,
Up on Ridgetop, in "Hi-Ho- Silverdale". Good weather for doing that stripping outdoors. Remember to glove up, eye protection, and don't wear anything you might want to wear again. Good Luck.
Im not against strippers either..:)
Ive ran painted boards through my planer before with no problems. I guess it depends on what kinda paint. BTW lived in Port Orchard for many years gonna retire up there possibly in Belfair in a few years. Darkworksite4: When the job is to small for everyone else, Its just about right for me"
Hi Ron, there are some pretty properties in Belfair. Hope you're not addicted to your cell phone though -- zero reception from what I hear. (Our island is pretty spotty -- I haven't had a cell for almost 3 years, which makes me an odd, odd duck in this neck of the woods).forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
I'm gonna start a tally of Knots WWers who are planning to retire up here. Got 2 so far! This could be fun, in the year 2010 anyway.forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
A lot sooner than that if I can help it. Im taking the wife a kids up there in August to see it they been to eastern oregon but not to washington. I think theyll like it. Ill be staying with a bud in sunnyslope but Ill mostly be just hanging Darkworksite4: When the job is to small for everyone else, Its just about right for me"
Well, it's radically different over here (compared to E. Oregon) am sure you know! Although today, with it being 90 degrees even here on Bainbridge, the difference isn't as great. I wonder if there's a climate somewhere inbetween scorching and dry (E. Oregon/E. WA) and Rainy, rainy, rainy/no spring/short summer (W. Washington). If there is, that's where I want to live!!forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Interesting thread. Could you clean up the boards by running them through one of those big belt sanders? I am at a loss for the proper tool name, but I recall one with an open throat called the 16-32? I wonder how that would work?
I will tear down the small vacation cottage in which my my wife and I are living in couple of years to make way for a new place. The siding is 4/4 or 5/4 RS cedar (12" board and 2" batten). I'd love to save the wood for projects. It's just a crappy little cottage built in the 60's so saving it/building off of it is not worth it.
Steelkilt Lives!
Jim, if I'm not mistaken, the belts for those sanders are not cheap and I think the paint might gum one up in a hurry.
John
Edited 6/14/2002 12:18:37 PM ET by John
Hi Jim, good on ya for planning to save all that cedar! One of those sanders with like 60- or 40-grit sandpaper might work. Don't know how much it'd cost though. Since I only have two boards, stripping is OK. Might even do it today. It's still pretty warm this morning, but there's some high cloud cover. When the shade moves to just the right spot, I'll set up the sawhorses, and slop it on.
Now I'm remembering something about a drum sander with an open throat -- thought it was by Delta, but it's not in the 2001 catalog. forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Afternoon. I have the 16-32 Performax,but have never used it for paint removal.However from my experiencs with it,I believe that in an emergency,an old 36 grit abrasive in cahoots with a little babys bottom talcum powder, might do a decent job.I think that if the paint is old and brittle,combined with the pwder,might be worth a try. This is not totally off the wall.I recently built a gluing form for laminating the foot and head board panels for a sleigh bed. I used scraps of old pine beams salvaged from an old dismantled warehouse.I sanded the curves to final shape on a vertical spindle sander. I sprinkled a little powder on the sander sleeve,and even in this resinous wood,build up was not a problem. FWIW¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬PAT¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬
Squim(spelling) on the way to Port Angeles (From Bummerton) is supposed to have prety mild climate. Also Wennachi (spelling) aient that bad either 4 seasons but ya gotta drive a ways for some good salmon fishing.
Hi Johnny, you're right. Sequim (pronounced, as you indicated "Squim") is one of the towns that's in a "rain shadow" which is the only kind of shadow we're likely to have around here on a regular basis, LOL! I don't know about Wenatchee, having never been there, but I'll keep it in mind. I do so love being close to the ocean over here though (Puget Sound). I guess I just want everything, the ocean, sunshine, not too hot, not too much rain, but some kind of seasons, no smog, trees. Should have been born 100 years ago in San Diego!
PS: The other nice thing about Sequim is that it's real, real close to Edensaw Lumber LOL! which is in Port Townsend. I bought a lottery ticket the other day for the first time in years. A jackpot would probably buy me 5 acres in Sequim, a workshop and a little pony to keep the grass down. Idyllic I believe they call that :-)
forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Edited 6/14/2002 12:35:12 PM ET by forest_girl
Buy a goat they'll keep your lawn mowed better :). Shelton aient to bad either..lumber mill w/ a bunch of buds who work there right in town...( Ohhh yeaa) Darkworksite4: When the job is to small for everyone else, Its just about right for me"
The good news about goats is that they can and will eat everything, including blackberries-gone-amok. The bad news about goats is that they can and will eat everything! Shelton isn't one of my favorite places, but being near a mill would be nice. Weather isn't much different than where I'm at, and the economy is pretty bleak there.forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
I think your best bet is on a sheep. They don't eat everything and they are very low maintenance. Rabbits? Gerbils? Across the central valley from Steve the deer keep the grass down, and the vegetables and the roses and the sapling ornamental trees.
Jase--Is there a better way.
Ill be retired so I wont really have to worry about the economy. i have some freinds who live there also. im taking wifey up there this summer to show her some of the areas. I have time to think about it. i miss the berrries. i used to ride my bike around and when i took a break id just munch on some berries. Cool Darkworksite4: When the job is to small for everyone else, Its just about right for me"
Hi Ron, I know what you mean about the berries. Speaking of which, when you get up here, let me know. Our raspberry patch has far outgrown our ability to eat, so I have lots of plants that would be happy to re-locate! We pick dozens of little baskets each year, and still waste (on the plant) more than we pick.
BTW, there was a little (3.5) earthquake in the Belfair/Bremerton area today. Just getting things settled out for ya, I guess.forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
See I wouldnt miss calif one bit :) Darkworksite4: When the job is to small for everyone else, Its just about right for me"
Just like home sweet home! I'll tell ya, that one we had a year ago February sure got my attention! Our house shook somethin' fierce, and I was just sure that when I got the TV going, half of Seattle would be gone! Fortunately it wasn't so bad, although Starbuck's headquarters took a beating, along with others. Got some of our earthquake retro-fitting moved up the list of priorities though :-)forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
I dont know if they have the same requirements there in the NW ,the shear panels and other things that are required on homes built here in shake and bake for earthquake safety.
I don't really know anything about the codes for houses, but I suspect you're right, they're probably not near as stringent as in CA. Mostly what got upgraded after the quake were bridges, and they still have a lot of work to do. I'm hoping they tear down the Alaska Way Viaduct before the big one comes (remember the freeway in Oakland that pancaked in 1989?? -- same thing would happen here).forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Yea i rememebr it. You know its interesting that my home was built in 1950 , raised foundation and has survived a lot of big quakes but the newer ones havent faired as well, theres something to say about traditional construction Darkworksite4: When the job is to small for everyone else, Its just about right for me"
Well you could always try a little more south. It was 90-100 last week, this week the air conditioning (light fog) came on and is keeping it a very comfortable 78-82. I look out my window at a mountain (not huge but big enough) and I'm only 5 mi from a major freeway. The doors always unlocked.John
If I understand right, it's a single 24" wide plank? If that's the case, I think you'd have to be on really good or bad drugs to rip it in half so it'll go through a small planer. Maybe I misunderstood something. Sorry if I did.
Ya know Bones, that brings back memories. No not the drug thing but why would someone rip a 24" wide board just to run it through a planer. In my case it was because I had no need for a board that wide but I did have a need for narrower boards. I had salvaged the wood and had a paying job to use it on so I saw a great opportunity to make some much needed cash. I figured that if I needed a wide board later it would be at the customers expense so I wasn't going to loose anything.
I would be willing to bet that many of us (myself included) have that perfectly beautiful piece of wide stock sitting in the rafters just waiting for the perfect time to use it. Lets see, I've moved it twice and I've been in my current shop for 3 years so yeah, its at least 10 years old now.
I don't know Forest_Girl but I would be willing to bet that this is her reasoning.John
Sorry, John, no prize for you on this one. :-( It's a joined surface.forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Yeah I hear what you're saying John. It's just that if the board is really old, then that makes it all the better. You can't buy wood like that anymore. Unless of course it's salvaged or brought up from Lake Superior, etc. Speaking of..that's where I'm heading tomorrow morning. Have a good one....John E. Nanasy
Hi Bones, I can understand your concern! But I'm pretty sure it's a series of joined boards, so ripping it won't get me purgatory. If it was a solid plank, I'd probably go over to Edensaw Lumber and beg them to put it through their planer.forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
So does that make me wrong or happy? I'm so confused LOLJohn
Bones,
Then Nahm, the Old Crankey, must have been on good bad drugs. He did exactly that. But first, of course, he took a few minutes to inform us all of how beautiful it was, how straight was the grain, and how such wide boards are so rare they are precious resources. Then zzziiiiiiippppp, he ripped it in two. Later he jointed the sawn edges and glued it back the way it was before he cut it in half. He cut it up for one and only one reason--so it would fit through his planer!
Oh well. He is fun to watch; he makes so many mistakes.
Alan
Forest girl. If you have access to a thickness sander that might be an option. I have fed mine painted boards with no problems. And as a bonus your panels or parts are already sanded and ready for finish sanding.
Well, I recommend not using a wide belt or drum sander unless you have stripped most of the finish off first. It will gum the abrasive up in no time at all. We occasionally have people ask us =to do this and tell them the same thing. If they are willing to clean up most of the stuff we will get out an old belt that is on its last legs and run the material until it is clear of the finish, then we will use a good belt to get the wood smooth again. I think we have run maybe a 100 BF before we throw the belt away, so i suspect that a drum sander might do 10-20% of that number before you would have to change abrasive Joe
I've been using a performax 37" dual drum sander in my shop for about 7 years now and for the first few years found the belt to clog with things like paint or resin from woods like cocobolo, rosewoods, pine. Problem was I was using the wrong paper for those types of applications. I ordered a paper designed for woods high in resins. The abrasive is the same it's the bonding agent that's different. Been using with good result. Don't know if this paper is available for wide belt sanders but I suspect it is if you ask specifically for it.
HEMPSTALK Could you get some info on your abrasives. We do a lot of pine and even some oily exotics and any thing you may have may help us .
The abrasive is made in Germany by Klingspor. I don't know exactly what they call it but I can give you the numbers listed in the back of the paper. It says made in Germany 317. PS22 P 80 E. The P80 being the grit size. Hope this helps. If not let me know and I can talk to my supplier.
Klingspor's phone number is 1-800-228-0000. I was going to suggest their catalog. Their on-line address is:
http://www.woodworkingshop.com
forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
I made my above reply to the wrong person, sorry. Klingspor appears to have two web-sites, the one above, and:
http://www.klingspor.com (surprise, surprise)
forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Another reason not to sand is if it is lead based paint.
Wouldn't be surprised if it is lead-based since it's so old. Not to worry though, I have no plans to sand -- the weather should be good again for stripping by Wed or Thurs.forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Hey Forest Girl - If that is a sin, then I should go to the Pen! I just cut off a 1/2" bar of brass on my TS using a carbide blade. Was soft brass and I went slow.
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Oooooo, you be brave person! Had I been faced with the same chore, I might have thought of the bandsaw, but would have quaked in my tennies at the thought of the table saw. Probably would have defaulted to a hack-away-saw.
How ya been???forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
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