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   Kell | Mar 07, 2005 03:51am | #1

   EF,

   I've been using Titebond III since last spring.  While I've found it to be runnier than one and two, what you're describing sounds wrong.  I was gluing some panels this past week and the shop was about 60 degrees.  I was able to drip some glue on a vertical surface and spread it with glue brush before it had run a half inch.  If yours is runnier than that, I'd get a new bottle.

   Kell

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   efarmer4 | Mar 07, 2005 04:33am | #2

   Thanks, mine will run a lot more than that.... maybe it froze before I got it?Edward

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   MarkRoderick | Mar 07, 2005 04:46pm | #3

   This is my question about Titebond. I was about to buy some Titebond III last weekend until I read on the bottle "Not for Structural Use." What does that mean? Is gluing a mortise and tenon for a bed "structural"? How about a tabletop? Do they think people are going to mistakenly use Titebond glue to attach the steel girders in a skyscraper? Or to hold together a post-and-frame house?

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   Jimma | Mar 07, 2005 04:54pm | #4

   Good question, Mark. I just bought some to use on some exterior doors because of the waterproof factor. Now I'm not so sure. I hope someone knows the answer. Maybe they just mean it isn't a substitute for construction adhesive . . .?

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   MarkRoderick | Mar 07, 2005 05:13pm | #5

   It just seems like a weird thing to say on a bottle of glue. Your door is a good example.

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   Kell | Mar 07, 2005 08:50pm | #6

   Hey Mark,

   I hadn't seen that disclaimer yet.  It's odd, I agree.  I know that another WW magazine, Wood, did a test on wood glues a few months ago and Tietbond III was the winner of all tested in the strength category.  As I said earlier, I really like the stuff and haven't had a failure yet.

   My brother, who builds bridges, says they prefer welds or mechanical fasteners to join metal.  :>)

   Kell

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   MarkRoderick | Mar 07, 2005 09:06pm | #7

   It's good to know about your brother. If I were driving across a bridge and saw them using a big tube of Titebond III I'd get pretty nervous. In Titebond's corporate mind, I wonder where "structural" ends and "non-structural" begins.

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   efarmer4 | Mar 07, 2005 09:28pm | #8

   I read that also and thought it was strange, but what do the titebond I and II's label say?
   Or did a lawyer get to add that to the new product to cover their rear end?Edward

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   MarkRoderick | Mar 07, 2005 09:50pm | #9

   No, I checked. The same warning is on all three labels.

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   Tao | Mar 07, 2005 10:22pm | #10

   I believe structural use refers to load bearing applications in structures, that is, buildings, decks, etc.  No PVA type glue should be used in such a critical application, and I really can't thing of any common structural application where I would rely entirely on any kind of glue - with the exception of gluing down subfloors, and even then mechanical fasteners are used also.

   Titebond III is fine for any furniture application where it is used with proper joinery, including edge joining.   The "not for structural use" is legalese, probably because most any glued wood joint subjected to constant structural loading will eventually fail due to wood movement.

   Michael R

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   MarkRoderick | Mar 07, 2005 11:17pm | #11

   What would be an example of a "structural" use in a building or deck? Someone securing a joist to a post using only glue? It just seems to be such an absurd disclaimer. . . . they might as well say "Not For Use as Salad Dressing."

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   Tao | Mar 08, 2005 12:00am | #12

   they might as well say "Not For Use as Salad Dressing."

    

   Precisely.

   Actually, I can think of a couple of applications that aren't so unlikely, such as laminating structural beams and girders.  Works OK with industrial resin glues, but probably a bad idea with PVA resins.

   M R

   Edited 3/7/2005 4:05 pm ET by Woodwiz

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   AlanMikkelsen | Mar 08, 2005 02:42am | #13

   I've used a full bottle of TIII now.  I actually thought it had more solids than TII, but i could be mistaken.  I've used Tightbond for years, but after the last strength test I read, I though Elmers Probond Interior/Exterior came out best.  I've just finished 8 oz. of that and like it quite a bit.  It seems to maybe grab a bit faster and have about the same open time as TI or TII.  I think I might try a quart or so, just to keep going with it. Alan & Lynette Mikkelsen, Mountain View Farm, est. 1934,  Gardens & Fine Woodworking, St. Ignatius, MT