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1. 
   JohnWW | Oct 23, 2003 10:54pm | #1

   Eric,

   It would be possible to take the first pass only on a jointer that has a rabbeting edge on the outfeed table, but you would have to remove the guard assembly which would make the operation very high risk. 

   A better approach would be to rough plane one side of a wide board flat by hand and then run the board through a planer to get the unplaned surface flat on the first pass and then flip the board over and plane off the hand planed face.

   John W.

1. 
   emaillard | Oct 24, 2003 06:45pm | #4

   John,

   I overlooked the safety issue. You are completely right. Thanks.

   Eric

2. 
   wop | Oct 25, 2003 12:52am | #8

      If you use pads for pushing(handled) where does the high risk come in . Just a guard removal does not seem to me to constitute this. If you want to bring in possible kick back or other elements I might get it ,but to me with proper precautions it doesn't seem "high" risk to me.

      The worst jointer accident I ever heard of with out a guard was a guy who worked for a friend of mine in Vimercate 25 years ago. Power went out and the idiot sat down on the machine to wait... power came back on.... he lost half a buttock. On new machines that can't happen (safety switches)

                                                                               Philip                        

1. 
   mbiker1999 | Oct 25, 2003 02:07am | #9

   Holy Cow - talk about a surprise!!!  Wish I could have seen the look on his face when the lights came back on!!

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   milanuk | Oct 25, 2003 09:17am | #10

   Christ, talk about a Darwin Award candidate!

   Monte

3. 
   EdHarrison | Oct 27, 2003 02:00am | #16

   >> Power went out and the idiot sat down on the machine to wait... power came back on.... he lost half a buttock.<<

   I'm sorry,...I don't usually laugh at other people's misfortunes,...but that story,....

   I guess he's got a lot of half-assed opinions about jointers these days,....

   Cheers, Philip,.... Ed

   Edited 10/26/2003 7:33:12 PM ET by Ed from Mississippi

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   Mach70 | Oct 27, 2003 05:47am | #17

   >> Power went out and the idiot sat down on the machine to wait... power came back on.... he lost

   half a buttock.<<

   >I'm sorry,...I don't usually laugh at other people's >misfortunes,...but that story,....

   >I guess he's got a lot of half-assed opinions about jointers these >days,....

   >Cheers, Philip,.... Ed

   His name wouldn't be Crunk, would it?

   (Just couldn't resist!)

2. 
   Strongbow | Oct 23, 2003 10:59pm | #2

   Not a good idea!

   you are better off planing two 4 inch piece then  glue them up.

   You can then finish the panel to size using a hand plane if you dont have a thicknesser.

   Mike

1. 
   emaillard | Oct 24, 2003 06:46pm | #5

   I was looking for ways to avoid ripping the stock but I guess I was wrong.

   Eric

3. 
   Crunk | Oct 24, 2003 01:55pm | #3

   How about jointing 10" stock on an 8" jointer or 14" stock on a 12" jointer?  The grab-#### will never stop unless you learn how to use a hand plane.

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   emaillard | Oct 24, 2003 06:51pm | #6

   I am still learning how to use handplanes. Actually I am in the process of hand-planing the top on my first workbench. I uses Douglas Fir 4x4 from HD for cost reasons. When I glued the top I did not realized that the planing direction of adjacent boards is opposite so it is giving me a hard time.

   The idea of using the jointer in the first place is to speed up the process. I cannot spend that much time in my workshop and my wife is more interested in the results than in my skill building...

   Eric

1. 
   Crunk | Oct 25, 2003 12:25am | #7

   Hang in there, don't give up, it's worth it.  Be a woodworker and not a machine operator.

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   Strongbow | Oct 26, 2003 09:30pm | #14

   Now come on be fair.........

   Mr. Boss Crunk?

   If the cave man looked at you for using steel for planing wood, do you think he would call you a machinist and himself  a purist, for using a couple of bits of flint to hack his log????????

   I myself can't understand why people dye wood, and ruin the natural effects of nature...but there is a place for everything...and believe me although people use machinery they still use the hand tools as well.......

   Mike

1. 
   Crunk | Oct 26, 2003 11:12pm | #15

   The thought of ripping scarce, wide stock just so that it can be jointed is abhorrent. 

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   Strongbow | Oct 27, 2003 10:16pm | #18

   Coooo weeeeee.......

   and I had to look that up in a dictionary!!!!

   Bet you watch Norm though !!!!

   Mikeeeeeeee

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   Crunk | Oct 27, 2003 10:54pm | #19

   Watch him enough to know that he doesn't butcher wide boards - he flattens them on a big-asse*d drum sander which is the least objectionable way to do it with a machine I suppose.

   Why don't you quit fighting it and just flatten wide boards by hand?  You can still plane to thickness with a machine, friend.

4. 
   Strongbow | Oct 29, 2003 12:23am | #20

   I do!!!!

   You just got me mixed up with the guy who posted the original message...he was the one needing advise....

   I also grow organic veg, keep bees and make honey, make coal into soap, pull my water from a spring, eat roast beef and Yorkshire puddings.......

   But joking apart I just finished a couple of bedside cabinets. All hand planed..even the raised panels.

   I just purchased some rough sawn English Oak to make a few clocks for Christmas presents, but that will go through the jointer to get one side flat ( the stock is fairly well twisted) Then I will look at the section to see where I can lay the different thicknesses out to my cutting list, mark out with chalk, cut and then get back to the planing..........

   Take care

   Mike

5. 
   Crunk | Oct 29, 2003 12:28am | #21

   Right on, bro.

6. 
   Strongbow | Nov 01, 2003 09:53pm | #24

   After this lot my wife says I should,

   ' take up..hand crafted pottery and join the womens institute'

   I think she has a point...

   far too much hastle woodworking!!!!

   Mike

4. 
   rckendall | Oct 25, 2003 04:05pm | #11

   eric,

   I hesitated to put my 2 cents in until I read what others had to say. Now, I'll say that I've done exactly what you have asked about with good success. Planing the 2" to match the rest of the board was sure faster than planing the whole thing. I did though, only take enough off to make the surface ready for for the planer, which was 12". Then I finished both sides there.

   I've also cut larger boards into manageable sizes and glued them back together and found that to be much easier, safer, and perfectly acceptable.

   Pick your poison and be safe doing it.

   Richard

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   Crunk | Oct 25, 2003 04:28pm | #12

   The old rip, joint, and reglue cha-cha-cha, huh?  And machine tool woodworking is supposed to be faster than hand tool woodworking?

   Edited 10/25/2003 12:06:07 PM ET by BossCrunk

2. 
   emaillard | Oct 30, 2003 08:32pm | #22

   Thanks for sharing your experience Richard.

   Eric

5. 
   Lowell | Oct 26, 2003 07:32am | #13

   I've wondered about this, too, as I'm in the process of deciding which jointer to buy. In my search for information about jointers, I found on the Woodcraft web site a reprint of the article "Get Straight With Crooked Wood" by Steve Shanesy (http://www.woodcraft.com/Woodcraft/assets/html/Jointer.asp). In part 4 he describes the technique of jointing stock that is wider than the jointer blades. There are also some pictures at the bottom of the page. It seems like a reasonable technique if performed with care.

   Cheers,

   Lowell

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   emaillard | Oct 30, 2003 08:40pm | #23

   Thanks for the info Lowell,

   Eric