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   bjpearce | Jun 28, 2003 09:35am | #1

   Make sure you don't use one that 'creeps'!!! ugh! creep.

   Incase you don't know it's the annoying and unfortunate side effect of glues that don't fully harden (mostly yellows I think) the timber movement can squeeze the glue out of the join so a little ridge forms were the glue line is, about the height of a thickness of paper in my case.

   You'll run your hand over your meticulously smoothed and finished table top only to feel the little speed bumps. Very disappointing.

   Unfortunatley I can't tell you exactly which glues do (except for Wellbond Professional Wood Glue) and which don't , I'll leave that to someone else.

   Glad to hear they they were helpful in sorting out your problem, kinda restores your faith in the people who are only to happy to take your money.

   Ben.

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   BG | Jun 29, 2003 02:11am | #2

   Tele,

   Don't know much about glues either, but I have used the Wellbond with turning stock and its worked well...drys clear and no visible glue line.

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   forestgirl | Jun 29, 2003 07:27pm | #3

   Here a link to Richard's excellent glue review and info on creep and how to avoid it:
   http://forums.taunton.com/tp-knots/messages?msg=11652.4

   forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl   ;-)

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   TomFerreira | Jun 30, 2003 05:28am | #4

   I used West on my benchtop and have not had a problem. I recommend it for anything structural.

   TDF

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   AlanTurner | Jun 30, 2003 05:55pm | #5

   I decided to use Unibond 800 on my bench top because of several factors.  First, it is gap filling.  There were a few places where I ran a bit short on 12/4 maple, and so let it ride.  It was not a problem with a tight seam, just a few gaps in unseen places. 

   It has a long open time, which is nice for a large glue up, and it is rigid.  No creep, and not hard on your tools when you go to surface it.  I called Daryl, the owner of Vacuum Pressing, the supplier, and he liked the idea, but recommended a quick rough up by hand with 80 grip abrasive to give the glue a place to bite.  All worked fine, but just finished it in Feb. so don't have years on it yet.   I posted it here, under "just another workbench" or some such title.

   Good luck.

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   Telemike | Jul 01, 2003 07:26am | #6

   Reply to all who were kind enough to give advice:

   I glued the top up today.  I used a quart of West epoxy with 206 hardener.  I bought it to fix a traumatized Wenonah Spirit II Kevlar canoe, but used the polyester instead for the canoe.

   I got the point about yellow glues right away and didn't use one.  I decided against the plastic resin glue for two reasons:

   1.  I've never used a plastic resin glue before and the bench slab seemed a bad place for experients

   2. I got nasty asthma about 5 years ago and I 'm not crazy about formaldehyde exposure.

   The West epoxy had a long enough open time to do the entire top in two sessions; I probably could have done it in one, but the central valley is hot enough in June to suggest caution in open time.

   I used bisquits for vertical alignment and all my long clamps.  It looks pretty good and pretty flat.  I'll use Tag Fride's router sled set up to roughly flatten it, then finish with planes.

   In between glue ups, I took a short hike in the coast range and had to get out quickly when smoke blew over the ridge!

   I've included two photos of public servants in action.  Two words come to mind:  skill, and courage.  The rotors cleared the trees on either side by about 20 feet and it was gusty and smoky!

   
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   forestgirl | Jul 01, 2003 10:57am | #7

   I tip my bonnet every time I see a helicopter pilot, let alone one who's dunking into a river during a firestorm!  Wow.forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl   ;-)

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   larry309 | Jul 01, 2003 04:31pm | #8

   forestgirl, i accept your tip of the bonnet, but we are just plane folks with  air about us.

   larry

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   forestgirl | Jul 01, 2003 08:08pm | #9

   Naahhhh, you can't slip that modest one past me!  I've know a few pilots in my day, flown in a couple of small planes, and learned enough to know that you helicopter pilots have some extra challenges!  (Not the least of which, in my non-pilot mind, is the fact that those overgrown dragonflies don't glide well!)

   Our fire departmen had a Fun Day last weekend, and the medivac helicopter was on display.  Pretty cool.  Never actually seen inside a 'copter before.  I do hope to never catch that particular ride, though.forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl   ;-)

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   ToolDoc | Jul 01, 2003 09:25pm | #10

   Jamie: We have a couple of diffrent Medical Helicopter that land at our Hospital doing inerhospital transfers,Medi Vac, Life Lion, Penn Star.. If they land when IM working I mossy over & shoot the breeze with the pilots while the flight crew is busy preping the pts for there flight, real nice guys & sometimes tease em & ask if its true that there really Devil Worshipers LOL.. there was a rumor a few yrs ago that they were..but IM informed that they aren't..<G>oh ya the flight nurses..Gals.. are real cute too. Ive gotten a couple of neat pins from em over the yrs also..

                                      ToolDoc

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   forestgirl | Jul 02, 2003 03:30am | #11

   Only thing I've heard about religion and helicopters is the term "Jesus nut."  On top of the rotor....forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl   ;-)