All,
I think I’m going to buy the LN 4 1/2 today and need to make a decision on the pitch issue. I’ve got a #4 Stanley that works fairly well but need a better tool for tearout. I’m petty sure I don’t loose anything with a Youk pitch but wanted to get others opinions. Eventually I’ll probably buy the standard frog for this plane…
any thoughts?
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My vote is go for it. Might push a little harder sometimes, but not much.
Dirt,
As an areobic exercise I often plane dumpster finds...a little harder is not a problem...lol. thanks
BG,
I have the same plane with the high angle frog, and I can say without hesitation it is the finest plane I own. I too bought it with the intention of later getting the standard frog, but three years later, I still haven't. I think you should consider buying the corrugated bottom. I have this on mine and it reduces the friction a bit, and was worth the $25.00.
Rob Millard
RMillard,
The corrugated bottom is a new wrinkle. I did not realize that was an option. I want to buy off the shelf up in NH to avoid taxes, do you think I should wait if they don't have a 'C' bottom available?
BG,
As a person who will go to any (legal) length to avoid taxes, I would say forget the corrugation and just wax the bottom.
Rob Millard
RMillard,
I did call around (3 Woodcraft within reasonable travel from my house) and no one had a corrugated bottom in stock. I also found out that two of the stores would not sell the # 4 1/2 with the York Pitch (unless odered that way)....need to pay $75 bucks more for the York. However, the third did stock both models at the same price. Wouldn't ya know..so I payed taxes but avoided a 90 mile trip...
Hello Rob. I was recently reading Sandor Nagyszalancy's The Fine Art Of Tools by Taunton Press, and he actually states that modern physical scientists indicate that machined corrugations simply do not reduce planning friction and in some cases may actually increase it. I have no idea myself, having never used a corrugated bottom, but it is kind of interesting. It is on page 145 if you are going to have a look. Peter
This is exactly correct. Friction is independent of surface area. It takes as much force to push an object of weight X having an area of 1 in^2 as it does to push the same object if it had an area of 1 ft^2.
TDF
Edited 4/17/2005 10:38 pm ET by Tom Ferreira
Edited 4/17/2005 10:40 pm ET by Tom Ferreira
I bought the LN 4 1/2 before they came out with the York pitch. I bought the HA frog for Christmas and put it on. I can't tell any difference in use, except that it leaves a better surface.
So now it stays on. I don't think you will miss the regular frog.
Dan
Cagun,
That is exactly what I want...more control over the finished surface. I recently completed a maple shaker clock, planes only, and had a hell of a time with some of surfaces. It wasen't till I applied some shellac that I saw lines from the #4 on the surface. Luckily, the wood was in a hidden area of the clock...but it still P'd me off.
I build Shaker clocks, too. Seven so far as gifts to relatives.
I ordered a Shepherd Spiers smoother a few weeks ago. I will let you know how it compares to the LN, which is a tough act to follow.
Regards,
Dan
Cajun,
Wow..the Spiers. In a couple of weeks they have the antique tool auction up in New Hampshire. There are several English dealers in the parking lot with Norris, Spiers and craftsman's planes. I usually never make it into the auction...last year it rained and I was forced inside, came home with 6 wood planes (can't scratch your nose in there).
I have that same plane, it leaves a glass smooth finish on currly cherry and still is fine for pine drawer sides. You will not regret buying that tool.
Napie,
Thanks, I'm really looking forward to it. I enjoy rehabing my old Stanley's but, I don't really have a standard to judge them by. My thinking is even if they're not great(the Stanleys) they get the job done for the most part...the LN however should be able to negate any difficiencies of the Stanleys.
You'll wonder how you got by with the Stanley's, this will be the begining of a costly relationship. Have fun.
napie,
Yup, I've been in the basement playing for the past 3 hours with my new toy. It's a lovely tool. Turned a nice piece of pine into toilet paper. Gave it a honing on a 4000 grit waterstone and a few wacks on leather with green rouge and then attacked the maple and cherry...it does look kinda lonely sitting there with the Stanleys...(sigh)
So you have played another week and no updates? How wonderfull is it? Can you set the frog square to the mouth opening easily?Does the A2 last forever?ALAN
arw01,
It's been a fun experience so far, thanks for asking. I haven't played with any of the screws yet except the cap screw(they ship it extra tight ). I did notice it responds well to adjustments as in squaring the blade to the mouth opening. I can't get used to the fact that it feels like a #7 that has been in a multi-car accident(ie. came out shorter but still the same weight).
So far LN is two for two in my book, the first purchase being the dovetail saw. This week I'll put the 4 1/2 to work on Ash with some nice narly areas...
BG,
In addition to seconding Mr. Millard's comments, I suggest you obtain the improved chipbreaker instead of the standatd chipbreaker.
Enjoy your new tool,
-Jazzdogg-
Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, you're right.
Jazzdogg,
I think it came with the improved chipbreaker...that is the one that is relatively flat and thick with a slight rabbit?
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