I’d like to hear comments from anyone that uses or has used the Lie-Nielsen 60 1/2R Low Angle Rabbeting Block Plane.
I currently use a Stanley #90 for cleaning up tenon shoulders, and while it gives adequate service for the most part there are some instance where the additional mass and size of a larger plane would be beneficial, especially having more surface area in front of the blade. I had been considering the LN and LV shoulder planes when I saw the LN 60 1/2R. The descriptions of the 60 1/2R that I have seen say that the it is milled flat and square within .001″ and with the greater blade width would come in handy for trimming the cheeks of tenons for a precise fit.
My thought is that because the sides and sole are square to one another and its overall length is about the same a large shoulder plane that it would be an upgrade over my #90 and provide more functionality than a shoulder plane.
So for those of you that have used this plane what do you think? Does this plane work to clean up tenon shoulders as well as a shoulder plane? How do you like it? And in your opinions would I be better off with either the LN or LV or a stanley #93 shoulder plane? On another thread Sarge pointed out that the 60 1/2R does not have an adjustable mouth, do you find this to be a draw back? As an additional point of additional information I work primarily with oak, maple and cherry and would only be using the 60 1/2R for cleaning up tenons and the occasional raised panel.
Thanks
Edited 3/26/2004 10:25 am ET by utternovice
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Here goes, but this may confuse you even more
The first plane I ever used was a #90, (a UK stanley) which according to my dad was purchased by my great grandfather, I'd guess arround 1890 or possibly earlier. It's a nice plane but too short, especially in front of the blade. It's real use is in areas where a longer plane runs out of room, but it will do the job of a shoulder plane as my dad's experience overv the last 70 years will attest. The last job I used it for was a stopped rebate where it worked a treat with and without its nose.
I have a #92, which I purchased 'cause it was bigger than the #90. I like the weight and length and find it OK as a shoulder plane but would like a taller plane, like a Clifton 410 or 420, or a LN073, or a LV Medium Shoulder, or a Clifton 310 Combo. One thing I have found is that while mass is good in a shoulder plane, you don't want too wide a blade. With a wide blade it is too easy to champher the edge as you trim the shoulder. So my preference is for a narrow blade on a shoulder plane, say 3/4 in.
As for the #60-1/2 R, I have one beside me as I write, I haven't used it yet but to my mind and hands it is too wide and the wrong shape to be a good shoulder plane. I got it because I already have a #9 block, wanted to add a LN low angle block plane and liked the idea of getting a 1-3/4in rabbet plane in the same package.
a question only you can answer is: what do you want to use the plane(s) for? In my opinion with the speciality planes you do better buying the plane most suited for the task you want to do with it
Ian
I use the LN 60 1/2 exactly as you wish to do so. My own expeience is that it is better than side rabbit planes for trimming tenons. I applaud your skill if you can use the Stanley 90 for this application.
I bought the 60 1/2 because I needed it to get into the corners of rabbets. Since I don't have unlimited resources, I tried it as a shoulder plane and it works okay. As someone else said, it is a little wide for good balance in that use but if one is careful and the blade is sharp, it works well.
Utter,
I have used one of these for years to tweek my tenons, without problem. I also have teh LV shoulder plane, which I love, but many tenons are longer than than 3/4", and therefor the rabbet block gets more action.
Alan
Alan
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utternovice,
You can get the 60 1/2R from Fine Tool Journal for $135 right now, shipping included, or $150 plus $6 shipping from LN. Good sale I'd say. I think you'll be pleased with a LV 60 1/2R for this use. Enjoy,
Thanks for all of the input, everyone has been very helpful. I've been out of town so it's taken a while to respond. Will be ordering one shortly.
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