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   Jellyrug | Jul 02, 2005 07:08am | #1

   bevel up

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   Steinmetz | Jul 02, 2005 10:00pm | #2

   PB,

   Bevel up Doesn't the blade have adjustment grooves on the underside?

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   CharlieD | Jul 02, 2005 10:03pm | #4

   If it's a Stanley, the grooves are holes that go all the way through the iron.CharlieI tell you, we are here to fart around, and don't let anybody tell you different. --K Vonnegut

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   Steinmetz | Jul 02, 2005 10:41pm | #5

   Charlie, My low angle block is a Millers falls 57 No holes (but grooved)Have several Stanley notlow blocks One # 9-1/4 and two with the adjustable throat. (all grooved irons?) Stein.

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   CharlieD | Jul 02, 2005 10:02pm | #3

   Yes, bevel up.

   There are basically 2 classes of plane, bevel up and bevel down. Those referred to as "Bench Planes" have the bevel down, those referred to as "Block Planes" have the bevel up. In recent years, there has been more use of larger block-style/bevel-up planes in areas (like smoothing) that used to be the unqualified domain of the bench plane, but the makers still list them in the block plane section of the catalog.

   Bevel-up designs often have an adjustable mouth, and the blade is set at a low ange. Bench-style planes adjust by way of movement of the "frog", the angled base against which the blade is mounted. On a block style plane this is a fixed base, the mouth adjusts instead. A few block-style planes--some of serious high quality--do not have a mouth adjustment, but the base beneath the blade is still always fixed.

   Charlie

   I tell you, we are here to fart around, and don't let anybody tell you different. --K Vonnegut
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   sharpblade | Jul 04, 2005 04:27am | #6

   >>> Bevel-up designs often have an adjustable mouth, and the blade is set at a low ange.

   To be more exact, block planes (that you equate with bevel-up) come in 2 different bedding angles, common/normal is ~20 degrees, and the (real) low angle is around 12 degrees.  When comparing cutting angles bewteen block planes and bench planes, cutting angle for block plane = bedding angle + angle of bevel. For  a bench plane (with bevel-down), the cutting angle is the same as the bedding angle.  You probably knew that but tried to keep it simple :-)

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   CharlieD | Jul 04, 2005 08:12pm | #7

   Well, you're right, of course. But I have yet to see a larger--that is to say, bench size--block plane design that uses a 20 deg bed angle, so that's why my mind glossed over your point. I was really trying to explain the presence of LA smooth, jack, and jointer planes. Are there any bevel up bench planes set at 20 deg?CharlieI tell you, we are here to fart around, and don't let anybody tell you different. --K Vonnegut

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   Midnight | Jul 04, 2005 10:03pm | #8

   Are there any bevel up bench planes set at 20 deg?

   not exactly a bench plane, but its in that size range; #9 iron mitre... Mike Wallace

   Stay safe....Have fun

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   CharlieD | Jul 04, 2005 11:18pm | #9

   Right, right, I forgot that one. Do you have that plane, Mike?CharlieI tell you, we are here to fart around, and don't let anybody tell you different. --K Vonnegut

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   Midnight | Jul 05, 2005 12:33am | #10

   last time I said this I took a bunch of flak for it... but what the heck... never claimed to be smart...

   Charlie, in all honesty I'd be lost without it...

   Story behind how I got mine..

   Ever get a tool you dreamed about having but never had the nerve to order..?? I'd spent months weighing up whether to stick with my Stanleys by trying to upgrade them (I'd done all the fettling I could and they still didn't cut it) or to bite the bullet and order a Lie Nielsen... Night after night I'd sit drooling over their web site... will I... should I... can I afford it... will it make any difference...?????

   Finally I thought sod it... carry on like this and I'll end up in the funny farm... So I ordered the #62 from a UK supplier; it arrived the next day, was unpacked with trepidation to reveal... a #9... What do I do now..?? It isn't what I'd ordered (though the box was marked a #62) was worth way more than the #62 and was one of the dozen or so I'd been droolin puddles over... should I...?? shouldn't I..???

   I called the supplier, explained what'd happened... the were fulla apologies... the #62 was in their dispatch room before I was off the phone... but what to do with the #9..?? I'd been strong (if I keep tellin myself that one day I might buy it)... resisted buying it online or through the catalogue... but here I am holding it... knowing it can make all the difference, talking about returning it...

   I couldn't do it... told the supplier "call me dumb, call me weak but no way am I returning it...bill me for em both..."

   Does it make a difference...???? Well... you tell me... I've heard talk about end grain shavings being the toughest ones to get... any prizes for a 1 thou 23" long shaving...??? And that's straight outa the box.. It wasn't a fluke... the floor was littered with em.

   If I'd to replace all my planes tomorrow, this one would be in the top 4 of my list, right along with my #62, my #7 and my #4 1/2..

   Building shooting boards to suit it took a bit of head scratching... I'd never seen a shooting board before, much less seen how one should be used. I started with a design in a book of jigs but couldn't figure how it'd work with the orientation biased the way it was drawn... so I changed it...

   Now I can shoot with equal ease, both left and right handed, I can get all of me behind the plane to deal with difficult stuff and (apparently this is perverse) I shoot with both hands controling the plane...

   wanna dare to be different...??????

   ;)Mike Wallace

   Stay safe....Have fun

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   CharlieD | Jul 05, 2005 03:20am | #11

   Wow, quite a story. Well, I've been shooting with my #62. There's a radical difference, sounds like? You've certainly got my interest. Might be something to save up for. CharlieA human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher
   a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts,
   build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders,
   cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure,
   program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.
   Specialization is for insects.
   - Robert A. Heinlein