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And Season's Greetings! to you, too, sir!
Will
For me, it's Merry Christmas!!
Anyone who's offended by that statement is missing the point.
Have a safe and happy New Year, as well!!
Jeff
Did you hear Bush's speech/press conference this morning?His walkoff line:"Happy Holidays!"Poor Bill O'Reilly must be spinning in his grave ... :-)
[Avoid schadenfreude]
<< "...Poor Bill O'Reilly must be spinning in his grave ... :-)" >>
Would that it were so...but brain dead doesn't really count...Glaucon
If you don't think too good, then don't think too much...
O'Reilly .. Just me so.. O'Reilly is GREAT! I love watchin' him on TV! Me in my next life!
Me too, Jeff. It is Christmas, and that's the bottom line. To say it's anything else is just denying reality. And if they don't want to take part in it, that's ok. But don't try to change it.
Merry Christmas, and again I say, Merry Christmas!
Creekwood
Yep. And, if some jewish folks wish me a happy hannukhah, or passover, or whatever, I'm never, ever offended. I simply reply, "You, too!!"
There are enough crazy issues to argue about in the world, and this certainly should NOT be one of them.
Merry Christmas
Jeff
Bravo I say. It is Christmas, the day Christ's birthday is celebrated. So MERRY CHRISTMAS to ALL.
MERRY CHRISTMAS is the way to go, after all it's the day we celbrate the birth of Christ. Without him would there be a Holiday? Merry Christmas to all and have a new year without injury!
Jeff, and all,
I'm wondering, what is it about THIS year's Holiday Season, that has set off the rampage over Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays/Season's Greetings? Seems to me we've been using all those phrases interchangeably for at least the last 50 or so years. I just don't get it. Now, I do agree that a "Holiday Tree" is more than a little silly, as would be a "Holiday Candlestick", when we all know it's called a Menorah.
Have a satisfying solstice, or whatever
Ray Pine
Solstice brings up the actual origins of Christmas. Christmas as a holiday originated as a pagan holiday celebrating the solstice and was coopted for essentially promoting Christianity. Indeed, that is one reason why many fundamentalist (Christians) don't celebrate it; there is no record indicating Christ's birth at or around December.
What this all boils down to is the neo-con attempt to politicize every issue and create this pathetic divide of identifying who is with or against them. Pathetic given the significance of this holiday, whether you are a Jew, Christian, or Pagan (or any other religion or non-religion). In many ways it is more offensive than the commercialization of the holidays. I'll tuck the soap box away now.
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays (of your choosing).
Edited 12/20/2005 4:50 pm ET by ohcomeon
It is true that December 25 is not Christ's actual birthday and most Christians DO know this. Most Christians also know that the original Christmas celebrations were celebrated in December because the many pagan converts used to celebrate that month for their previous god so there was a tradition of celebrations already exsisting and the early Christians adopted the TIME as well, not the celebration of a pagan god. It is just a particular day not the actual birthday given to celebrate the birth of Christ. As far as "many fundamentalists" not celebrating I'm confused because between the Catholics and Protestant (Baptist, Pentecostal, Luthern, etc. etc. ) denominations they all celebrate. I know some other faiths don't but I would not call it many. Anyways you are right about it being a commercialized holiday now no matter what your beliefs.
I'm not for sure, but I think what set off the issue was that one of our large box stores ordered it's employes to not say "Merry Christmas" to avoid offending non Christians. Instead they are to say "Happy Holidays" -- thereby offending Christians.
<<Instead they are to say "Happy Holidays" -- thereby offending Christians.>>Why on earth would a Christian find "happy holidays" offensive?The expression is benign and applies all who celebrate anything at this time of year--Christians, Jews, pagans, whatever.It enables one to articulate the spirit of the season without leaving anyone out or, worse, presuming what their religious affiliation might be.
[Avoid schadenfreude]
Trappist,
Indeed, what is a holiday, but a holy day. How a Christian can be offended by that, is beyond me. I thought we were supposed to turn the other cheek, anyway. Forgive me if I am wrong...
Regards,
Ray
joinerswork,
Are Jews offended when they hear "Merry Christmas"....are Moslems or Aethiest offened by the phrase? Should we assume they're offened?...and change it to "Happy Festis" (Seinfeld: Festis for the rest of us)and keep the music to jingle bells only? If your a Christian why are you affraid to say so...no big deal.
BG,
"Are Jews offended when they hear "Merry Christmas"....are Moslems or Aethiest offened by the phrase?"
I don't know. I'm not offended by my Jewish friends celebration of Hanakkuh.
"Should we assume they're offened?...and change it to "Happy Festis" (Seinfeld: Festis for the rest of us)and keep the music to jingle bells only?"
If you want to, go ahead, it won't offend me.
"If your a Christian why are you affraid to say so...no big deal."
I am, and I'm not afraid to say so. Is my unwillingness to be offended the same as fearfulness? I don't think so.
"Why didn't you confront that guy when he stole your yard gate?" "Well, I was afraid he might take a fence."
Y'all have a happy whatever.
Cheers,
Ray Pine
Hello everyone merry christmas! I think the problem that christians find in not being allowed to express christmas greetings is that they feel bias against them. It is not that they are offended to be wished happy holidays. It is that they are offended that another christian is not allowed to greet them in a traditional manner. The bias does not have to be real to be perceived, companies may not have intended to create bias but it was certainly perceived as one. Thanks AB
Calculating Christmas
William J. Tighe on the Story Behind December 25
Many Christians think that Christians celebrate Christ’s birth on December 25th because the church fathers appropriated the date of a pagan festival. Almost no one minds, except for a few groups on the fringes of American Evangelicalism, who seem to think that this makes Christmas itself a pagan festival. But it is perhaps interesting to know that the choice of December 25th is the result of attempts among the earliest Christians to figure out the date of Jesus’ birth based on calendrical calculations that had nothing to do with pagan festivals.
Rather, the pagan festival of the “Birth of the Unconquered Son” instituted by the Roman Emperor Aurelian on 25 December 274, was almost certainly an attempt to create a pagan alternative to a date that was already of some significance to Roman Christians. Thus the “pagan origins of Christmas” is a myth without historical substance.
A Mistake
The idea that the date was taken from the pagans goes back to two scholars from the late seventeenth and early eighteenth centuries. Paul Ernst Jablonski, a German Protestant, wished to show that the celebration of Christ’s birth on December 25th was one of the many “paganizations” of Christianity that the Church of the fourth century embraced, as one of many “degenerations” that transformed pure apostolic Christianity into Catholicism. Dom Jean Hardouin, a Benedictine monk, tried to show that the Catholic Church adopted pagan festivals for Christian purposes without paganizing the gospel.
In the Julian calendar, created in 45 B.C. under Julius Caesar, the winter solstice fell on December 25th, and it therefore seemed obvious to Jablonski and Hardouin that the day must have had a pagan significance before it had a Christian one. But in fact, the date had no religious significance in the Roman pagan festal calendar before Aurelian’s time, nor did the cult of the sun play a prominent role in Rome before him.
There were two temples of the sun in Rome, one of which (maintained by the clan into which Aurelian was born or adopted) celebrated its dedication festival on August 9th, the other of which celebrated its dedication festival on August 28th. But both of these cults fell into neglect in the second century, when eastern cults of the sun, such as Mithraism, began to win a following in Rome. And in any case, none of these cults, old or new, had festivals associated with solstices or equinoxes.
As things actually happened, Aurelian, who ruled from 270 until his assassination in 275, was hostile to Christianity and appears to have promoted the establishment of the festival of the “Birth of the Unconquered Sun” as a device to unify the various pagan cults of the Roman Empire around a commemoration of the annual “rebirth” of the sun. He led an empire that appeared to be collapsing in the face of internal unrest, rebellions in the provinces, economic decay, and repeated attacks from German tribes to the north and the Persian Empire to the east.
In creating the new feast, he intended the beginning of the lengthening of the daylight, and the arresting of the lengthening of darkness, on December 25th to be a symbol of the hoped-for “rebirth,” or perpetual rejuvenation, of the Roman Empire, resulting from the maintenance of the worship of the gods whose tutelage (the Romans thought) had brought Rome to greatness and world-rule. If it co-opted the Christian celebration, so much the better.
A By-Product
It is true that the first evidence of Christians celebrating December 25th as the date of the Lord’s nativity comes from Rome some years after Aurelian, in A.D. 336, but there is evidence from both the Greek East and the Latin West that Christians attempted to figure out the date of Christ’s birth long before they began to celebrate it liturgically, even in the second and third centuries. The evidence indicates, in fact, that the attribution of the date of December 25th was a by-product of attempts to determine when to celebrate his death and resurrection.
How did this happen? There is a seeming contradiction between the date of the Lord’s death as given in the synoptic Gospels and in John’s Gospel. The synoptics would appear to place it on Passover Day (after the Lord had celebrated the Passover Meal on the preceding evening), and John on the Eve of Passover, just when the Passover lambs were being slaughtered in the Jerusalem Temple for the feast that was to ensue after sunset on that day.
Solving this problem involves answering the question of whether the Lord’s Last Supper was a Passover Meal, or a meal celebrated a day earlier, which we cannot enter into here. Suffice it to say that the early Church followed John rather than the synoptics, and thus believed that Christ’s death would have taken place on 14 Nisan, according to the Jewish lunar calendar. (Modern scholars agree, by the way, that the death of Christ could have taken place only in A.D. 30 or 33, as those two are the only years of that time when the eve of Passover could have fallen on a Friday, the possibilities being either 7 April 30 or 3 April 33.)
However, as the early Church was forcibly separated from Judaism, it entered into a world with different calendars, and had to devise its own time to celebrate the Lord’s Passion, not least so as to be independent of the rabbinic calculations of the date of Passover. Also, since the Jewish calendar was a lunar calendar consisting of twelve months of thirty days each, every few years a thirteenth month had to be added by a decree of the Sanhedrin to keep the calendar in synchronization with the equinoxes and solstices, as well as to prevent the seasons from “straying” into inappropriate months.
Apart from the difficulty Christians would have had in following—or perhaps even being accurately informed about—the dating of Passover in any given year, to follow a lunar calendar of their own devising would have set them at odds with both Jews and pagans, and very likely embroiled them in endless disputes among themselves. (The second century saw severe disputes about whether Pascha had always to fall on a Sunday or on whatever weekday followed two days after 14 Artemision/Nisan, but to have followed a lunar calendar would have made such problems much worse.)
These difficulties played out in different ways among the Greek Christians in the eastern part of the empire and the Latin Christians in the western part of it. Greek Christians seem to have wanted to find a date equivalent to 14 Nisan in their own solar calendar, and since Nisan was the month in which the spring equinox occurred, they chose the 14th day of Artemision, the month in which the spring equinox invariably fell in their own calendar. Around A.D. 300, the Greek calendar was superseded by the Roman calendar, and since the dates of the beginnings and endings of the months in these two systems did not coincide, 14 Artemision became April 6th.
In contrast, second-century Latin Christians in Rome and North Africa appear to have desired to establish the historical date on which the Lord Jesus died. By the time of Tertullian they had concluded that he died on Friday, 25 March 29. (As an aside, I will note that this is impossible: 25 March 29 was not a Friday, and Passover Eve in A.D. 29 did not fall on a Friday and was not on March 25th, or in March at all.)
Integral Age
So in the East we have April 6th, in the West, March 25th. At this point, we have to introduce a belief that seems to have been widespread in Judaism at the time of Christ, but which, as it is nowhere taught in the Bible, has completely fallen from the awareness of Christians. The idea is that of the “integral age” of the great Jewish prophets: the idea that the prophets of Israel died on the same dates as their birth or conception.
This notion is a key factor in understanding how some early Christians came to believe that December 25th is the date of Christ’s birth. The early Christians applied this idea to Jesus, so that March 25th and April 6th were not only the supposed dates of Christ’s death, but of his conception or birth as well. There is some fleeting evidence that at least some first- and second-century Christians thought of March 25th or April 6th as the date of Christ’s birth, but rather quickly the assignment of March 25th as the date of Christ’s conception prevailed.
It is to this day, commemorated almost universally among Christians as the Feast of the Annunciation, when the Archangel Gabriel brought the good tidings of a savior to the Virgin Mary, upon whose acquiescence the Eternal Word of God (“Light of Light, True God of True God, begotten of the Father before all ages”) forthwith became incarnate in her womb. What is the length of pregnancy? Nine months. Add nine months to March 25th and you get December 25th; add it to April 6th and you get January 6th. December 25th is Christmas, and January 6th is Epiphany.
Christmas (December 25th) is a feast of Western Christian origin. In Constantinople it appears to have been introduced in 379 or 380. From a sermon of St. John Chrysostom, at the time a renowned ascetic and preacher in his native Antioch, it appears that the feast was first celebrated there on 25 December 386. From these centers it spread throughout the Christian East, being adopted in Alexandria around 432 and in Jerusalem a century or more later. The Armenians, alone among ancient Christian churches, have never adopted it, and to this day celebrate Christ’s birth, manifestation to the magi, and baptism on January 6th.
Western churches, in turn, gradually adopted the January 6th Epiphany feast from the East, Rome doing so sometime between 366 and 394. But in the West, the feast was generally presented as the commemoration of the visit of the magi to the infant Christ, and as such, it was an important feast, but not one of the most important ones—a striking contrast to its position in the East, where it remains the second most important festival of the church year, second only to Pascha (Easter).
In the East, Epiphany far outstrips Christmas. The reason is that the feast celebrates Christ’s baptism in the Jordan and the occasion on which the Voice of the Father and the Descent of the Spirit both manifested for the first time to mortal men the divinity of the Incarnate Christ and the Trinity of the Persons in the One Godhead.
A Christian Feast
Thus, December 25th as the date of the Christ’s birth appears to owe nothing whatsoever to pagan influences upon the practice of the Church during or after Constantine’s time. It is wholly unlikely to have been the actual date of Christ’s birth, but it arose entirely from the efforts of early Latin Christians to determine the historical date of Christ’s death.
And the pagan feast which the Emperor Aurelian instituted on that date in the year 274 was not only an effort to use the winter solstice to make a political statement, but also almost certainly an attempt to give a pagan significance to a date already of importance to Roman Christians. The Christians, in turn, could at a later date re-appropriate the pagan “Birth of the Unconquered Sun” to refer, on the occasion of the birth of Christ, to the rising of the “Sun of Salvation” or the “Sun of Justice.”
The author refers interested readers to Thomas J. Talley’s The Origins of the Liturgical Year (The Liturgical Press). A draft of this article appeared on the listserve Virtuosity.
William J. Tighe is Associate Professor of History at Muhlenberg College in Allentown, Pennsylvania, and a faculty advisor to the Catholic Campus Ministry. He is a Member of St. Josaphat Ukrainian Catholic Church in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. He is a contributing editor for Touchstone.
DANG A MOUTH FULL.. Great post..Holiday Huggers my friend..
Very interesting but it is truncated. Could you include the rest of it on another post. I have a little problem on the years though. We are told that because of mistaken dates, Jesus was actually born in 5 or 6 BC. If he died at age 33 that would make the year of his death 27 or 28 AD, not 30 or 33 AD as stated in your post. Can you explain the difference
Click on the "View Full Message" link at the bottom of the post. You need to browse with something that uses ActiveX controls.
It's all there.
The author refers interested readers to Thomas J. Talley’s The Origins of the Liturgical Year (The Liturgical Press). A draft of this article appeared on the listserve Virtuosity.
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Edited 12/26/2005 9:36 am ET by BossCrunk
(Why christians are offended)
I guess the reason this line was started was that non Christians were offended when the word "Christmas" was mentioned - hence one chain store ordered it's employees to substitute "Happy Holidays." No one complains when someone wishes them happiness.
The real Christian, being very devoted to and appreciative of the person who gave his life for them and is the "reason for the season" is offended when the work Christ is not allowed to be mentioned in the celebration of his birth.
Can you imagine an armistice day when all these widows and mothers and friends are standing around greeting one another and celebrating but no one is allowed to say anything about the fallen soldier or his contribution to our sustained freedom? I would suppose the same would be true of most any holiday or celebration.
If my religious beliefs can be offened by a store cleark saying "happy holidays or merry christmas", I'm pretty lame.
I wish all if you the very best in the coming days, regardless of your beliefs. As for me and my family, we planning on our annual birthday party for Jesus (even though the likely month of his birth was April - its the thought that counts) and will once again explain to our kids the amazing fact that God came into the world as a man.
Edited 12/22/2005 12:43 am ET by TTF
Thank you, I like that.
Sorry, I forgot to say Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, and yes, Happy Holidays. I wish Peace and Good will to all.
I think you are missing the real point.
Why are we debating what a store's policy is? It occurs to me that whether Target or Walmart choses to have their clerks say "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Holidays' is NOT driven by pressure groups but by focus groups, not by media but by marketing. That's right, in their ceaseless attempts to commercialize the holiday, they will test which message will yield the best profit margin.
The real message is in Matthew (21:12-13), and it applies to Christmas as well as to a temple.Glaucon
If you don't think too good, then don't think too much...
How could I be missing the real point. I made the point. Perhaps you are referring to a different point. My point was simply that the reason this issue came up was that a major chain - maybe more than one gave the order to it's employees to not greet customers with "Merry Christmas,' but rather say "Happy Holidays." The reason for this order supposedly was to not offend a non Christian. I followed this with the statement that that this offends Christians.
Christmas, by it's very name, is a Christian holiday. We are celebrating Christ's birth. Is it not difficult to understand that a Christian might be offended when celebrating Christ's birth - one who died for him, that those he comes in contact with are not be allowed to mention his name or any reference of him.
The word "offend" has several definitions. The definition I use is - "hurt the feelings of." Someone mentioned that a Christian should be able to forgive. Offend has nothing to do with forgiving unless by being hurt he holds a grudge - and then, of course, he is right.
By the way, I agree whole heartedly that merchandising and making money is the whole thing. It doesn't matter much what we think or care about. It is what makes them the most dollars. I think if we were together to discuss our philosophy, we might not be too different.
An aside: the local Home Depot is taking no chances, fortunately not all of the employees have fully bought into it. I saw this exchange yesterday morning.
Sign out by the road says - "We have trees." picture appears on sign - conical evergreen - ....if it looks like a ..........
Woman comes in and asks a clerk where the "holiday trees" are, after blank stare the clerk replies - "Will a Christmas tree work? they are in the outdoor nursery department."
Horray for the uninformed little guy.
Jim
Never underestimate the value of a sharp pencil or good light.
Ho! Ho! Ho! One and All!!!(And that's not career advice either.)
Yes its a Merry Christmas - Jesus is very special this time of the year.Have a Happy New Year.
Will, the actual historically correct greeting is Merry Xmas. Christians hate it....why I dont know. Everyone else is made uncomfortable by it-probably by a misunderstanding of history. I personally like any and all of the greetings......Happy Chanuka to everyone and remember it's participating thats important not what you say about it....... aloha, mike
Happy Chanuka OR whatever.. This time of the year should be Happy Times.. NOT HATE! Geeeee..Happy Chanuka .. Gee I dated a Jewish Girl for ALONG time (I was about 17 I think) She was the BEST! No I did not marry her.. Her dad found out I was Catholic and I never saw her again.. DAMN!I married a German Girl.. MY Friend and Lover.. She was the BEST!Germans killed my dad in WWII.. I have no hate for that.. BUT wish he was here for the Holidays..
<Happy Chanuka .. Gee I dated a Jewish Girl for ALONG time (I was about 17 I think) She was the BEST! No I did not marry her.. Her dad found out I was Catholic and I never saw her again.. DAMN!>Ha, I have a very similar tale although I was5 years older. Much to the chagrin of both of our parents we were "in love". She became the LA County prosecutor and I a General Contractor. I still would wish her a Happy Hannukka AND Merry Christmas. By the way, Christmas used to be a debauched holiday period and the churches changed it, probably for the better. Its been the way it is now for under 200 years....weird eh. aloha and Merry Xmas, mike
I lit a big fire last night and said a few words to encourage good luck for the coming year. Ilike to celebrate the Solstice because we are a bit light challenged up here at this time of the year. It starts getting abit brighter every day. And a few days from now I'll also celebrate Christmas. Any way I hope every body has a Merry Christmas and a prosperous New Year no matter what you do or don't believe.Have fun! Nobody gets out alive.
"By the way, Christmas used to be a debauched holiday period"
What do you mean by that 'used to be' expression there Mike? Some of us of the non-religious variety are pleased to attempt to maintain that tradition from about December 15 all the way through to well into the new year,.............. as long as the liver and kidneys hold out that is, ha, ha-- ha,ha, ha. Slainte.Richard Jones Furniture
I hear ya!!! I put a serious dent in my favorite local establishment's stock of Bass Ale last night until 2:00 AM, and fully intend to rid them of the rest of it starting in a few hours. This time of year is my FAVORITE, and I really enjoy eating, drinking, and being Merry!
Merry Christmas,
Jeff
Richard, I doubt that you do what the holiday used to be noted for....public (or private) drunkeness was one thing but the populace partied hearty and participated in all sorts of lewd public behavior upto and including public sex acts. It was the churches that reigned it in and created the "family" event we see now. This is less than 200 years ago (150?) My vote is to return us to the good old days of yesteryear-an uphill battle I am sure. It was so bad that the gentry and upper class made a point of being absent during the latter 2 weeks of December for fear of assault. I for one have great difficulty working during this period of the year- maybe from years of school attendance or perhaps a genetic calling from generations already passed. Anyway, Xmas is a mild event compared to what it used to be and the populace appears to be trying to change it to suit its needs.....god blessem.... aloha, mike
Edited 12/23/2005 1:31 am by mikegagne
‘Tis the season to be < put whatever feeling you wish >,
and I will not be offended if someone wishes me Happy < put favourite religious event here > or Merry < put another favourite religious event here > . We should try and understand each and everyone’s believes, whether you are < religious faith no.1 > or < religious faith no.2>. Being wished hapiness from a < put religious person here > or < put another religious person here> is still a wish for happiness and we should be thankful for it no matter what time of the year.
Can you see the ridicule of politically correctness in the text above?
ST.
The reason the very conservative Christians get offeneded is because we are a predominantly Christian nation and they don't want their holiday to be diminished by having to acknowledge the beliefs of others. It is the piety that comes into play and the self-righteous indignation that we as a Christian nation would have to accomodate those who don't share the predominant belief.
I think it is pathetic that the cons lambasted Bush for saying "Happy Holidays". He is the president of the most diverse nation in the world. I think it is appropriate that he use such tidings that encompass all of his citizens' beliefs. That is not to say I find Merry Christmas offensive, just that it is absurd that he gets blasted for that (and that is coming from someone who can't stand W. and I don't mind seeing him take his lumps, but give the guy a break.)
It's not just the conservative Christians who are annoyed about this. I'm a bit to the right of center but hardly a "neo-con" (a name that also annoys the #$@% out of me) and I'm not particularly religious. It's not called Christmas now because the PC police are afraid of offending non Christians and in doing so, have offended many Christians. Why can't we just call it what it is? Pagans make up a very small % of the population in the US and this time of year has generally been the called the "Christmas Season" for a long time (not compared with the human timeline, obviously, but had become the generally used term). The Puritans banned Christmas because of its association with the Pagan Solstice festival over 300 years ago. It took quite a while to bring it back. It's not the "Fundamentalist Christians" who associate Christmas with the Pagan festivals, it's the Orthodox Christians. These are the Coptic and Eastern/Greek Orthodox people, not Protestant, Lutheran, Catholic or other 'modern' Christians. I don't like the PC crowd because they're taking it upon themselves to speak and act for people who haven't asked them to. I have never been offended when anyone offered greetings of any other celebration and I have a hard time with people who can't get past the diversity of others to the extent that they need to make others change their traditions by making it taboo to say "Merry Christmas". "Your intolerance is intolerable" FYI to the poster who referred to "Happy Festus" , Festus was on Gunsmoke (the guy with the limp), Festivus was celebrated on Seinfeld. By the way, I saw a link for Festivus Poles, available for $38 plus shipping. There's a floor standing model and a 2' tabletop version for $30 + S&H.Happy ChristmaHannaKwanzaaDan, everybody! (I hope I didn't offend anyone here)
"I cut this piece four times and it's still too short."
Edited 12/23/2005 9:38 am by highfigh
Hey dont be oferring up any happy holidays you might offend those that dont believe that any thing is holy. And how about the people that just refuse to be happy no matter what. Maybe they like their unhappiness. Dont even think about opening a door for someone . No kind deed will go unpunished!!!! But while your at it look at our holiday specials. I saw a report on toys for tots today the Fine young MARINES were loading a truck full of Dare I say it? christmas gifts. The bags had big red bulls eye type logos on them that some might call a target. Do I smell contrition? Merry Christmas to all . AB
To those who think nothing is holy, HAPPY MONEY DAY! Even if they don't like the religious aspect of it, they sure do like getting those presents. Contrition? No. Instantly recognizeable marketing gimmick? Probably.
"I cut this piece four times and it's still too short."
<Can you see the ridicule of politically correctness in the text above?>Looks like any of todays form letters to me.........aloha, mike
I wish you all a happy and safe "Holiday Season". Thanks for the help and kind words to all the members of Knots for the past year. Lookin' forward to hearing what Santa brought you in the form of woodshop goodies.
GRW
Some Christmas.
First day off since July, my flower shop is open 7 days a week. I got a few new tools for my garage wood shop, and the stomach flu.
My son Willy went running downstairs to tell my wife, "Daddy's throwing up like a WATERFALL!"
Oh, well. Didn't get the pony or a new red wagon either. ;-(
Merry christmas and happy new year to all.
I thank yall for being a tremendous part of improving my knowlage and skill in this craft. I would have had a much rougher time of it with out this resource.
Mike
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