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1. 
   BruceS | Sep 18, 2008 02:23am | #1

   David has a very interesting WWW  site with many of your answers there.  Go browse and enjoy.

   Work Safe,  Count to 10 when your done for the day !!

   Bruce S. 

    

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   twotowers | Sep 20, 2008 05:02am | #8

   Thanks Bruce,
   The web site inspired the post.
   Appreciate your reply.

2. 
   WillGeorge | Sep 18, 2008 01:44pm | #2

   Maybe start here?

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=748iRXvvWTE

   http://www.woodcentral.com/chats/80702marks.html

   His school. Video is not that good and you can almost hear some of the chemicals used.

   Edit:

   Just something that may help.

   http://www.ganoksin.com/borisat/nenam/cupric.htm

   Do a Google on Patina. Hundreds, if not more.

   
   

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   Edited 9/18/2008 7:11 am by WillGeorge

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   twotowers | Sep 20, 2008 05:03am | #9

   Thanks! Looked, frustrated, interested.
   Best,
   Jim

3. 
   Wingdoctor | Sep 18, 2008 03:06pm | #3

   David Marks has a lot of answers to questions about his processes on his FAQ page. http://www.djmarks.com/channels/djmfaq.asp

   There are answers there to questions about the chemicals used on the copper finishing process.  His web site also has a listing of the TV shows he has recorded for DIY. David has plans for some of the projects on the shows available for sale.

   I watch, and record, David program "Woodworks" on the DIY channel on Direct TV. Friday and Saturday nights and at some other odd times. Let me know which specific show you are interested in and if I have recorded it maybe we can figure a way for you to get it. :)

   Bruce

   "A man's got to know his limitations." Dirty Harry Calahan
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   twotowers | Sep 20, 2008 05:05am | #10

   Wing;
   Thanks for the offer...don't know what show applies..didn't know you were a turner......
   I am looking around for info - and very interested.
   Thanks.
   Jim

4. 
   RickL | Sep 18, 2008 03:38pm | #4

   He's pretty much doing a common technique used by sculptors and Metalsmiths...

   You can also look up patinas on google for more info.

   http://sculptnouveau.com/

   http://www.sculpt.com/

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   WillGeorge | Sep 19, 2008 05:14am | #5

   Good post.. I was going to give him a few links to show the cost of purchasing 'leaf' and the chemicals but I did not want to spoil his day! Gets pretty expensive!

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   RickL | Sep 19, 2008 02:24pm | #6

   http://www.modernoptions.com/

   There's lots of low cost options from places like Lowes, HD, the art supply storers and it isn't all expensive. There's lots of good books on all kinds of faux finishes with a lot of patina options. Metallic paints you can cold patina are easy to use.

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   twotowers | Sep 20, 2008 05:13am | #13

   Rick;
   I don't understand how metallic paints can compete with patinas on metal leaf........... But I don't know! If some one could tell me it works I would try it.What I am looking for is the David Marx patina that shows a finished wood with another part of the design showing a finish that is similar to a Tiffany finish!
   Jim

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   RickL | Sep 23, 2008 03:27pm | #15

   My point is there are other ways to go other than metal leaf to put patinas on wood and other materials. Metal paints can be patinated. I've also done spraying powderized metal on wood and paper which can take a patina. The patina on leaf is a cold patina. The older traditional patina methods are hot which uses a propane torch to heat the metal up. Pretty much unsutalbe for metal leaf on wood. The sources such as the http://www.compleatsculptor.com are so full of patina info. You do have to buy the books however. Sculpting and Metalsmithing are the primary source of patina info. Where do you thinks Marks gets his info from??? Certainly not from woodworking sites! Marks just touches on the basics. See also Jewelry related sources. Metal working covers a lot of ground.

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   noviceneil | Sep 25, 2008 10:51pm | #16

   You might want to start with the kit that David sells through his web site and through Artchemicals...the kit contains 3 different metal leafs, some japan paints  4 different patinas, some sample boards to practice. I know on the pieces he brought to a class I took, he used several coats of sprayed lacquer as the final finish...the patinas are all cold patinas because they're on painted wood with metal leaf..don't think they would do so well with a torch...on metal I've seen him put the chemicals, wrap it up and bury it or in the class, put it a fuming tent overnight with ammonia.

   Neil

3. 
   twotowers | Sep 26, 2008 04:41am | #17

   Thanks Neil - I guess this is the starting point and appreciate your input.
   Best,
   Jim

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   twotowers | Sep 20, 2008 05:08am | #12

   Will,
   I can find expensive products, Is that what you use?
   Jim

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   twotowers | Sep 20, 2008 05:07am | #11

   Thanks Rick
   the sites didn't give me the info I am looking for - but appreciate your help as I looked over the WEBS.
   Best,
   Jim

5. 
   hammer1 | Sep 20, 2008 12:00am | #7

   I've used a couple of products I found at an artist supply house. They often carry metal leaf, not only in gold but many others. These get applied to your project with an adhesive. Leaf is a lot of fun to use, so thin you have to hold your breath. There is a company called Modern Masters that has metalic paints and patina chemicals. There are several metal and patina choices. The patina chemicals also work on the leaf. You can choose patina colors between greens, browns, blues, etc. and use them on a variety of metals. Not too expensive and available in small amounts. I have not seen the Marx video.

   Beat it to fit / Paint it to match

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   twotowers | Sep 20, 2008 05:14am | #14

   Thanks for the reply Hammer.
   Jim