Good evening
I’m an avid woodworker (hobby) with a 2 1/2 car garage dedicated solely to housing my ever growing collection of tools. My wife and I just had our first child so my time has/will be greatly limited when it comes to woodworking. As such, I have decided to design/revamp my shop setup. I have a cabinet saw, 6″ jointer, 13″ planer, 17″ bandsaw, 17″ drill press and a 1 3/4 hp shaper. All my tools are on mobile bases because my last shop was on the smaller side. So in the past my decisions have been based largely on mobility. I have a Makita 10″ SCMS and I am trying to decide how I want to set it up. My original thinking was to build a station along a wall with extension fences and stop blocks. This would provide me with reliable and easily repeatable cuts. But lately I have seen some pretty nice moble stands for mitre saws, like HTC’s newest offering. By no means am I a professional installer but I have built and installed 3 kitchens worth of cabinets and there were times when the mobile stand would have worked well. Do those who have their saw on a mobile stand find that it lacks in any way. Likewise, if you have a permanent/dedicated station do you think the majority of your work could be handled just as well on a mobile stand? Pros and cons for either way would be greatly appreciated.
Have a happy and safe New Years!!
Ryan
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I went build-in. DW 708 with 4' to the right and 11' to the left
Pro's: always ready to go; set fence with stop & tape is AWESOME - as fast and accurate as the Biesemeyer on the TS (it's actually a Bies stop)
Con's: eats LOTS of space. The SCM requires a lot of depth; around 3' to the front of the table IIRC.
I've done a reasonably good job of using that space for storage, but it does really limit your flexibility. I have 9 drawers behind the 11' fence that hold all the screws, nails, bolts, hand tools, paint tools, sandpaper, etc. Below, one section is for reusable cutoffs. The other side has double doors with full-depth pull-out shelves (doors for dust, pull-out 'cause 3' is way too deep!). I use them for paint cans (about 12 1-gal cans on the bottom drawer), misc power tools & accessories, etc. I need to add another set - I left one section open as just a really deep place to stuff plumbing supplies and the like and hate it - whatever I need is always at the back.
I just ordered a bandsaw and have no idea how I'm going to fit it in. I've seen a setup where the BS and SCM shared a section of table - that looked like a nice option.
Bottom line - I am making my setup work but sorta wished I'd done something that wasn't quite so permanent.
I was thinking that you could do a bit of both.
In the shop, put your SCM on top of a cabinet along the wall but make it freestanding and on wheels. When the saw is not in use, rotate the head to its maximum angle for storage so that it doesn't stick out the back of the bench as far. When you need to use the saw pull it out from the wall a foot or two. That will avoid the problems that 'wrudiger' mentioned. And it could act as support for one of the other machines if it's the same height.
If you find yourself in a situation in the future where you have a big project that's not in the shop. Then buy a portable stand.
Here's what I did...may give you some ideas.
ThinKerf
I had mine on a permanent shop built stand against the wall. Found it difficult to hook up shop vac or use the bag attachment for dust control. Moved it to the center of room so can access back, but going to get a stand for it to save space.
Thinkerf,
I made myself a mobile stand from plywood. I have a dedicated area for it in my 28' x 32' shop. It sits on top of a stationary cabinet with a dust collection port in back. When I need to go on site, I unscrew the unit and set it on horses for installs. My stand is 8' long about 8" tall (to keep it rigid) and about 16" deep. I used two rips for the length and stood up "stretchers" in the middle with a fence to clamp to for multiple cuts. The stretchers also make it so I don't use the saw station as a catch all table and then have to move stuff to cut. It also prevents additional dust build up as everything falls throught onto the floor.The set up has worked well for me. I am a cabinetmaker and trim carpenter. The benefits for me are easy to set up and use, inexpensive, lightweight, I have my business name & number displayed on it and when I do on site work I can leave it behind and not worry too much that it won't be there when I get there the next day. I can also strap it to the top of my work van when I deliver cabinets. I have also outfitted it with a spot to hold a six way plug so that when I set up the saw and horses it becomes my work center. I can plug in the miter saw and set up the table saw(contractors table type) on the other side of the horses. Plug in the jig saw, battery chargers, radio (gotta have the radio!) and such on site all in one work area. As I write I keep thinking of why this set up is so good for me. On the other side of the saw from the six way. I put my garbage bag to collect scraps as I cut. I have it clamped to the 8' rips with spring clamps that I keep with the unit. I can set up cut and clean up very quikly and effectively.
Rich
It sounds like your best solution might be a portable mitre saw stand. That way, you could break it down to get it out of the way in your garage, and then easily carry it along when you are doing work on site.
There are two that I like a lot:
http://www.sawhelper.com/
This is, I think, the best out there. It breaks down into component parts -- and is by far the best system for repeat cuts.
I also like the system from Trojan, which is the one I own:
http://www.trojantools.com/mitersawstand/index.htm
The virtue of the Trojan is that it is entirely self-contained, folds into itself, and can be moved around on its integral wheels. When the extension wings are folded down, it is easy to move around (without folding it up).
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Hi Happy New Year,
I had the same problem, I ended up buying a Ridged Miter saw SUV, this thing is totaly awesome. It folds up like a hand truck and you leave the saw on all the time.
The home depot has them for 150.00
Good luck,
Dick38
I just got the Ridgid MS-UV a few days ago... got it assembled, but haven't used it yet. I'm debating whether to drill holes in it for my crappy little 10" Delta CMS, w/ the out-of-true faces (need to build an auxilliary fence/deck for it, but that'd eat up some of what little capacity it has...) or just go get a nice new SCMS to put on it. Either way, it sure looks like it'll be the cat's meow... I can keep the saw mounted to it and stick the whole thing in the corner of the shop when I don't need it, or wheel it up to the house when I need to do trim projects... previously I had to haul the saw... then the frame it set on, then the saw horses... 3-4 trips (big saw horses) 65yds each way got old in a hurry. Now it'll just be one trip, period. That gas shock/strut that helps lift the table is pretty cool, too.YMMV,Monte
Hi Milanuk,
Glad to hear you got the ms-Suv. Be careful when you raise the table up sometimes mine won't latch all the way, give it a shake to make sure it latches, also when you let it down grasp the handle and reach under and push the pivot arm towards the other end. I don't know if they are all like this or not, the kid at home depot couldn't even set it up, I'm the customer and I had to show him how to do it. The instructions suck but it's a good table. I have a 12" Dewalt slider on mine, I had to drill mounting holes for it.
Good luck,
Dick38
Yeah, I've noticed that I have to make sure it engages when it comes up... didn't know if that would take care of itself when I put some more weight on it (i.e. mount a saw). Not too big of a deal though to me.Thanks,Monte
I put my Bosch SCMS on the Rigid stand and could not be happier. I used to have a miter saw on a permanent table up against a wall, but this setup gives me much more flexibility. Most of the time I just roll it out onto the driveway when I make cuts and let the breeze carry away the sawdust that the bag doesn't get.Dick DurbinTallahasseehttp://home.comcast.net/~olebiker/
By "on", I hope you don't mean "running".
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