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   Patto | Mar 01, 2007 04:57am | #1

   Dusty,

   Great project. You might like to try and get steel coach bolts with square nuts - no idea of a source but I have done a few coach-built restorations and there is a world of difference in appearance with the right fastners.

   I'm supposed to be helping my father with a Stutz vertical eight this easter - coach-built frame with steel panels nailed on.

   have fun

   Dave

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   oldusty | Mar 01, 2007 08:04am | #2

   Hi Dave ,

               The fellow who's doing the restoration in total tried to fix or modify or repair the wood frame works before he asked me to help . So the condition it came in is somewhere between a basket case and re-worked re-work .

     I'm not an expert on cars , I've been able to reproduce  parts for him quite a few times in the last 20 years or so  . The wood is Ash and Poplar it will all be painted . Small storage compartment under the seat platform . A new rear deck Maple plywood edge banded with the nosing and floor boards up front . The rounded corners are broke out and missing and I'll need to make some of the almost half round nosing ( wheres Philip when I need his shavings  ) that trims the coach .

                     regards         dusty

    

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   philip | Mar 01, 2007 09:58am | #3

   "wheres Philip when I need his shavings".
   Here I am....All is well....
   Interesting project. Do you have a circular (compass) plane/ Stanley #201/2? Just the ticket for screen rails and other funny bits..Philip Marcou

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   oldusty | Mar 01, 2007 10:32am | #4

     Hello Mook ,

                      I do have a Stanley # 20 compass plane , to tell you the truth I bought it at an auction and have allowed it to become part of a collection ,sort of like a  " deed mummy "  if you will , as Lataxe would say , gotta love him .

            Did you get your grinder working ?   Hopefully that's the worst problem you have right now .  I've had a run on odd ball jobs but I'm rolling with the punches and having fun while making dust .

             The nosing does look  like  screen mold , seems the last I made with a router bull nose then finished it of with zee Stanley block plane and some sanding to final shape .

                       regards    dusty

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   philip | Mar 01, 2007 11:50am | #5

   I have known some who say that those compass planes don't work well- that is ofcourse an untruth...it is the operator at fault.
   The grinder-not a problem-cured it in the time it took to remove base and solder another capacitor in place.
   BUT-the burning question still remains: how does a faulty capacitor cause this ? I am looking for the scientific answer from a proper sparky....Meanwhile I posted some pictures of various motors-some say that I have a "thing" about them, and they could be right....Philip Marcou

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   dukeone | Mar 01, 2007 01:07pm | #6

   Philip: Can I be of help on the motors? I have been an electrician for several decades, lots of motor work, from mini to 3500hp.

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   philip | Mar 01, 2007 10:32pm | #7

   Thanks Ken, the problem is cured but I still would like a scientific explanation as to how a faulty capacitor can prevent starting in certain rotor positions only. Everything else checked out fine-no question of loose terminal connections or anything like that. Draws correct amperage.
   If you look at post #34764.19 I just included pictures of various motors for general interest.Philip Marcou

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   dukeone | Mar 02, 2007 06:21am | #8

   Philip: To start with (no pun intended) all single phase motors need something to get them spinning. Do you have more details of the type of motor? Is there a centrifugal switch? A capacitor does a phase shift by storing energy and then letting it out a little bit later. This is all that is needed in a split phase motor. Other types use different mechanisms with centrifugal switches some with or without caps, some with starting and running caps. Three phase motors sync with the rotating magnetic field of the supply and only require a three pole starter or manual switch. Not very detailed, I know, but I can recommend a book named "Electricity One-Seven" it goes into great detail but starts at the atomic level so it is easy to follow the progression from spinning electrons to spinning grinders.

   Edit: Now went and looked at the post you mentioned, seems like you know much of what I wrote above. Some nice old iron there. You might even have one of the old induction-repulsion motors. A complex spring and weight mechanism with a commutator. I've only seen one in my career.

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   Edited 3/1/2007 10:27 pm by dukeone

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   oldusty | Mar 30, 2007 03:42am | #9

         Hello All ,

     Here are a few pics of the wood work after my work , the wood will get bondo and smoothed and painted to look like a piece of metal .

      I was asked to modify the seat into a bucket type seat , it will be upholstered inside and painted on the outside .

        It was a bit of fun , and I got paid too !

                regards               dusty

   
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   Patto | Mar 30, 2007 04:18am | #10

   Dusty,

   Nice job. no money in coach work here - you can buy a working 2nd hand sulky for less than the cost of recon the wheels.

   Dave

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   oldusty | Mar 31, 2007 06:13am | #11

   Hi Dave ,

                Most who saw it in my shop , did not believe it was not horse drawn .

                                  dusty

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   Patto | Apr 02, 2007 06:46am | #12

   In Australia, one reason the early cars were unique was that the running gear was inmported from the UK and US and the finished off by coach builders to their own designs - exactly as they had done for many years with horse-drawn vehicles.

   I've spent several days in coach shops (much to the boredom of my partners at the time) it is fascinating work and the best of it has as interesting joinery as found in any furniture.

   Dave