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   DRBWWing | May 11, 2021 03:17pm | #1

   I don't know. All I can tell you is they don't interfere.

   Buy a couple hinges and see for yourself?

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   kevin_edmund | May 11, 2021 03:47pm | #2

   Thank you for your reply. Perhaps i wasn't clear. I've attached a quick sketch below. If you look at the sketch, you can see the arc of the doors as the open. I've assumed a simple pivoting point in my sketch and there's already a 5/16" interference. I have to cut the depth of the cabinets down no matter what, but want to maximize the depth.

   With European hinges the path of the door is a complex arc or travel path as shown in the second sketch from page 674 of the Blum catalogue (notice the lack of any dimensions).

   Buying the hinges and building a small mock up to trace the path of the door would be a good idea.

   Thanks,

   Kevin

   
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   _mj_ | May 11, 2021 04:11pm | #3

   In such a tight space it is unlikely that the opposing doors will ever be open at the same time, and certainly will never be opened together to do the Three Stooges in the doorway thing. You might be good the way it sits and just overthinking it on paper.

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   DRBWWing | May 11, 2021 04:31pm | #4

   I can't understand the drawing. Not totally sure what the issue is, I assume they are adjacent frameless cabs. Are they hinging off one panel thickness, or are they separate boxes?

   I don't understand what "5/16 interference" refer to. I use partial overlay hinges and leave just under reveal between hinge sides of adjacent doors.

   Blum has this all figured out I think you have to decided on partial or full overlay hinges and the plate thickness.

   I've never been able to interpret Blum's hinge chart. IME there's too much info and the different configurations of hinges and plates overlap considering adjustability.

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   kevin_edmund | May 11, 2021 05:22pm | #5

   Hi Robert,
   In the drawing these are single boxes, but could be built as one box. There are two banks of cabinets - one bank on the left and the other bank on the right or opposite wall of the "closet". The interference of 5/16" comes when you open a door on the left side of the room and open a door on the right side of the room at the same time. The two doors will collide in the middle of the room. The centre space of the room where the doors would open into each other is rather small at 2' 7" by 2' 11". Only one person could comfortably stand in the space at the same time (as per MJ's 3-stooges comment).

   Both your comments have me looking at my drawing again. The existing window (yellow in dwg) and the door are not aligned (which from inside they ought to be!). Maybe i should suggest widening the door into near alignment with the window and making a shallow bank of cabinets/shelves/drawers on the left side. For a "walk-in" closet, it might work out better?

   Thanks Robert & MJ

   Regards,

   Kevin

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   ral3wood | May 11, 2021 09:34pm | #6

   There are just loads of variables here - swing of the door, but also are they inset, partial overlay, full overlay, what is your gap between doors, how far out will the door be from the cabinet...

   Whenever I have these kind of questions, I just grab at least one of the hinges (or buy all you need and return if they don't work) and make a quick mockup - a couple of scrap pieces of plywood maybe 4" by 6" (one as the door and one as the frame) is all you need to figure it out. Take you 10-15 minutes then you will know for certain!

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   john_c2 | May 12, 2021 01:49am | #7

   It looks like a butler's pantry, maybe?

   I'm with MJ. It's a tiny area, and I can't see why doors from facing sides would be open at the same time. If they were, there would be no room for a human being to be looking around inside the cabinet.

   If it's that big an issue, you could cut the cabinets down by an additional 1/4"

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   Drew_HK | May 12, 2021 01:41pm | #8

   Instead of making the cabinets shallower, you could make the doors narrower, by making the face frame a little wider. Or perhaps use 3 doors per side instead of 2.
   Best option might be sliding doors instead of hinged. I often build sliding doors into my cabinets and they work well, and in a confined space may be a better solution than doors on hinges.
   =Drew

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   rob_ss | May 12, 2021 10:50pm | #9

   I don't think the problem is soluble with hinge travel diagrams.
   Sometimes users have to accept responsibility and not open conflicting doors at once.
   A definitive solution would be a magnetic lock that seals one door when the other is open...

   Euro hinges have a somewhat unusual mechanism, pulling the door towards the opening slightly as they hinge outwards, but in general they will not pull the door back in towards the cabinet as it opens.
   Their main purpose is to prevent conflict with neighbouring doors rather than those opposite.
   I'd just accept the possibility of conflict here - there is only so much you can do to protect users from themselves.

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    _mj_ | Dec 16, 2022 08:16am | #10

    Old thread revived by spam.