There seem to be many, many new members helping us out here this month! Welcome!! I’ve completely lost track as they pop up here, there and everywhere. Please, introduce yourself here and give us some juicy tid-bits about your woodworking life, where you’re from and such.
forestgirl Another proud member of the “I Rocked With ToolDoc Club” …. :>) you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can’t take the forest out of the girl 😉
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well I'm not all that new.but it has been a long time since I posted any thing.So I thought that I would let know some thing about me.In June of 03 I moved from a 32'x32' building to a 5000sqf building. We build or make costume bultins for the homes that we build. Now trying to branch out to other builders or costumers that like what we do. well that's about it for now.I have been reading the post long I know what the I rocked with tool doc is all about sorry to hear that news.Ihave gotten good advice from tool doc. Any way I wish all of us a good new year
Edited 1/10/2004 1:57:55 PM ET by jim
Hi forestgirl,
I am not really new member, I guess I would classify myself as a "lurker". I have been visiting this forum for a while now, first as a guest and then finally joined. I find that I am so new at this that I learn a lot more just by reading the posts of those more experienced than me, which constitutes about everybody.
I took up woodworking about 3 yrs. ago and have built a few things. I have bought quite a few tools which have taken over the garage. I call this room of the house my workshop but my wife insists on calling it the garage. My argument is that there are no cars in there now nor have been in over three years. She says as long as there is a washer and a dryer in there it is a garage.
By day, I work as a consultant training and developing Business Intelligence applications. I live in Santa Cruz, CA but work takes me all over the country.
I think your post is a great idea because I too have noticed quite a few new members.
Carlos
I, too, have been lurking for a while, just enjoying reading the posts. For my "real" job, I am a Civil Engineer working for a small consulting firm in Minnesota. Spare evenings and weekends are spent in the half of the garage that is devoted to woodworking.
I particularily enjoy viewing the work others have done. Inspiring! Perhaps I'll get up the courage to post a few myself.
Thanks all!
I'm rather new here. My profession is building pipe organs, and I do it in Germany, in my free time I do nice things in wood, unfortunately I don't have a workshop at home, so I usually work on weekends or in the evenings in the company's workshop. I really enjoy this forum and I'm learning so much. So thank you all and I hope that some time I will also be good enough to give an advice...
Gal
Cool job, Gal. I would love to see some photos of pipe organs you've built.
For myself, I'm a database developer in a law firm in Wash. DC. I own a small condo (< 500 sq. ft.), which I have been remodeling on my own -- hiring plumbers and electricians as needed, but doing everything from the drywall out. Did the bathroom two years ago, and started the kitchen over a year and a half ago.
What I've learned: If you are going to remodel a room, don't try and live in it at the same time. In any future homes, one room will always be kept empty.
Part of the reason for doing it myself is that the money I save is going towards building up my tool collection. A friend of mine about 35 minutes away bought a new house shortly after I started my project, and the older couple she bought it from had a workshop in the basement. We've worked a deal -- and I get to use the shop space (in exchange for a little cash and handyman assistance). It's small, but nicely equipped now. Only things really missing are a jointer, a planer and a band saw. I can live without a lathe, arc welder, and a real workbench (I use a mobile, shop made bench and saw horse & board setup).
Anyhow, as I've stated in a previous post is that the centerpiece of my remodel is a kitchen peninsula where I have built the carcass and have had the doors and drawer fronts supplied by the cabinetmaker. I felt it was better to build a single unit instead of ganging four seperate cabinets together.
My father owned a frame and print shop, and was always doing projects. Even though I was college-bound in the sciences, I also took a full complement of shop classes in secondary school. Turns out, I switched to philosophy.
Creative expression is big thing for me. I took some painting classes about 13 years ago -- all of the artwork in my house is of my own hand. One day, I want to work in metal -- be the next Alexander Calder. Actually, I am fascinated with the idea of making wall sculptures and or architectural lighting pieces (or combinations). I asked FW about combining metal and wood and their response was that their readership isn't all that into mixed media. It was actually a sidenote to a discussion of a perceived bias towards "antique" finishing over more contemporary approaches...
Don't know where this hobby will take me. But I want to build up a skill set so that when I have an idea, ability it isn't an obstacle to execution. Jewlery boxes, kaleidescopes, coffee tables, Japanese lamps -- smaller projects that expose me to a variety of techniques and challanges... these are in the immediate future.
As I try to say in most of my posts, I truly appreciate the chance to pick the brians of people who have been at it longer than I.
Edited 1/11/2004 12:41:40 AM ET by Makin'Sawdust
I am pretty new here too. i lurk alot but post seldom. I have been woodworking for the last 7 years but i didnt do hardly anything for the last 3- 1/2 years because I built our home and my "Garage-mahal" I also just closed out a paintball supply buisness that I opened and ran for 3 years. My real job is for our cities Parks and Recreation dept. I run swimming pools, do forestry work, landscaping ect.
My shop is @2/3 of my 4-1/2 car detached story and a half garage. We lived in the upstairs apartment while I built the house. Now we rent that out. The shop is 28'x28' pretty well equipt. and my skills are very undeserving of the shop and equiptment that I have. But I WILL get better then the shop will never be holding me back. Oh and by the way I live in Northwest Ohio, so Forestgirl if you really have a real hankering for snow I could definately mail you some. And last but not least I want to congratulate you on your marriage best of wishes.
Thanks, All, for posting, and thank you aj for the best wishes and offer of free snow, LOL! To those who are still lurking, but not posting, c'mon now! Be brave and pipe up!
A happy weekend to you all. My one-day weekend arrives on Monday.forestgirl Another proud member of the "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>) you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Hi All,
I live in Cleveland, OH, studied ww / furniture design at RIT in '86 under Tage-Frid - trained professors (Doug Sigler, Rich Tannen) as well as world class woodturner, David Ellsworth - real cool, low-key guys that really love to teach, share tricks, and have patience with punks like me (then). I heard lectures from Dakota Jackson, toured the Wendall Castle school / workshop (drool) and had one of my tables critiqued by Wendall Castle in an interesting way.
Then I had the "What were you smoking !?!?" stupid idea that I could run a high-end furniture business in Cleveland - not. But I eventually did ICFF in NYC, and ACC Baltimore, had some lucrative clients and award-winning designs, but by that time got fed up with the art furniture world anyway (ten grand of marketing outisde OH to get only ten grand of business ain't worth it) and was entranced with UV polymer science - especially when given a great salary to "play" all day with multimillion dollar coating systems.
Thats when I realized why God changed my career into polymers - the UV coatings company is where I began inventing what I now manufacture, market and sell - a color-changing laminated glass that is in the top ten list of wildest materials in the world. Primarily marketed in the architectural glazing market, Dichrolam finds it use even in furniture like the seventeen foot conference table I did for MTV in 'Black Sea' Dichrolam.
In between my glass contracts, I am finishing up the mahogony, glass-bottomed boat that I began late in 2002. That boat has been the most fulfilling woodworking project I've ever done, and I encourage anyone with serious skills and experience to make one. My wife, Tricia, even endorses it - aint that somthin!!!
- JB
http://www.johnblazydesigns.com
"The furniture designer is an architect." - Maurice DuFrenes (French Art Deco furniture designer, contemporary of Ruhlmann)
http://www.pbase.com/dr_dichro
JB, I have a few observations:
Wow! What a life!
You and I will get along great -- I love your writing style!
There's a reason for everything
and one question: Are any of the acrylics available in small quantities? It looks like it would be [justifiably] expensive! Very, very cool. I'm just outside of Seattle, and generally shun casinos, but will have to go check out the Tulalip!forestgirl Another proud member of the "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>) you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Hi ForestGirl,
I do not want to hijack this thread or steal the thunder from other posts, as I do try to read all bios, and find everyones life here pretty cool with the common bond of woodorking. I appreciate your response, as I wonder if I can 'give back' to the community that helped me along. I actually do mail sample kits of my material to people on ww forums, though I normally limit them to hi-end architects. I appreciate this community, and have sold material to other people from other ww forums so if interested - send me an e-mail.
It is truly amazing how my roots as a furniture maker have been precisely what was required for the invention, development, and marketing of this product. All the machining training, jig making, prototyping and art-market marketing that I used in hi-end furniture was highly tapped in the introduction of Dichrolam. Architects wouldn't specify it unless they saw it used in applications. That made me mad that they couldn't visualize uses for it, but I made furniture out of it, photographed it, then the architects said "OoohhKaayy then . . ". So I continue to prototype new uses.
I was in an argument at RIT on the originality of furniture design, and many opposed me saying that originality is imossible nowdays with all the designs and designers. Almost monthy I do completely original furniture / sculpture designs because a color-changing material was never available before.
I'm currently prototyping a thermoformed Lecturn out of 3/4" acrylic Chromasheet (sister product to Dichrolam) for a possible exhibition. Very difficult. But there is nothing like full-spectrum color-shift within "S" curves. BTW - I just shipped a 1400 lb crate of 12 foot panels of Chromasheet glass for the NEW Oklahoma City Federal Building. Pics to appear soon on my website.
Lots of neat people out there - you never who's posting :) - JB
"The furniture designer is an architect." - Maurice DuFrenes (French Art Deco furniture designer, contemporary of Ruhlmann)
http://www.pbase.com/dr_dichro
Hi JB,
Welcome. I've seen a few of your postings recently and your handle caught my attention. I do lampworking so I'm familiar with dichroic glass but wasn't sure that was what your handle referred to. Another commonality with us is that I was born and raised on the east side of Cleveland - specifically Shaker Hts. although I haven't been back since the early 70s.
I'm fairly new to woodworking and have posted here from time to time since I joined the forum last year. Every now and then I have something to say that might help someone out so I offer it up but most of the time I read and learn. It's amazing how much information is shared here ... but how much of it I can retain is another story...
I'm glad to "meet" all you new handles.
Be safe,Ken
Hi there - in another thread some of us have been lamenting the end of Modern Masters on HGTV - yours would be a great story for them to tell. Welcome aboard."Well-behaved women rarely make history." from the Sweet Potato Queens' Book of Love
Thanks LabGirl. I think the same thing whenever I see those shows, but I've been down some PR roads, and I've discovered that unless you kissup to someone, or your name is already well known - its not worth the effort. Who knows, God may open a door someday. I approached my local PBS affilliate for their show highlighting local artistic talent called "Applause". I went through the normal submission protocols, right where they accepted new ideas, and thought for sure they'd get back to me. My martini bar in cleveland has been in the paper three times, and on TV, but did I hear from them - no. Cheers anyway - John
"The furniture designer is an architect." - Maurice DuFrenes (French Art Deco furniture designer, contemporary of Ruhlmann)
http://www.pbase.com/dr_dichro
Yeah, I always wonder how the artists get connected to the shows. I'm a fan of "A Gardener's Diary" that airs on HGTV on Saturdays mainly because they can have such a diversity of people featured - from someone who took over a grown over estate garden to a little ol lady in a small town in Mississippi who's garden is completely composed of "passaround" plants."Well-behaved women rarely make history." from the Sweet Potato Queens' Book of Love
Hi all,
Been lurking also for a while,and just joined the other day. I've been a full time woodworker now for 30-couple yrs, and have had my own business since 1976 building custom reproductions and doing restoration/conservation of period antiques. Wrote a few articles for FWW in the '80s (even made the cover once!), but have been slow in entering the computer age. There seems something inconsistant in burying oneself in 18th century technology and embracing hi tech stuff (like computers) all at the same time...
I'm enjoying the give and take on this forum, especially the willingness of everyone to help others. I expect I'll be adding my own .02 worth from time to time.
Regards,
Ray Pine
Wow, Ray, that's great. What issue was that, I'd like to see it.
Hi creek,
Issue # 67, tip top table; please check out my new website, http://www.davidraypine.com for more pics and info.
Cheers,
Ray
Ray
Very nice pieces in your collection. I do believe I saw your article from the 80's in an old FWW that my grand-father gave me as he used to get it back in those old-timey days. That was before my time. ha.. ha.. ha..ha..
I also recognized Peter's Acorn work-benchs from the Landis book. That Forest Girl is pretty clever. I tried to get a few lurkers to post the other day with a dove-tail thread. Got one. She goes directly to the point and in the teens so far.
Welcome to all the new posters, BTW!!!
Regards...
sarge..jt
Proud member of the : "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>)
Sarge,
Whyyy, consarn it, ye young whipper-snapper!! Back in my day, we had a little RESPECT for our elders! ;-p))
Thanks for the kind words re the furniture on the web site.
Regards,
Ray
I have been mostly lurking for about 2 years now. I live in lower Michigan. I built my first piece of furniture in junior high some 25 years ago. It was a maple night stand. In high school I switch to metal shop and pottery. After high school I stuck with pottery for several years. Then came the career in industrial ventilation, then plastics, wife, and 2 boys. I have built 3 houses.
I am currently the Manufacturing Engineering Manager for the Alsons Corp a division of Masco Corp. We manufacture hand held shower heads sold at the big box stores in the Delta and Peerless brands. I hold 2 US patents #US D435,889 S & Des. 434828 for shower heads & handles.
I can help with any of your questions about plastics or you can visit the site were I spend more of my internet time and post your questions there.
http://WWW.plastics.com
Joe Phillips
Plastics pay the bills, Woodworking keeps me sane!
Hey, Joe, welcome back! Haven't seen you in a coon's age. I have a plastics question for you: is there a way to rig a "bending apparatus" at home for bending small pieces of plexi?? What temp does it bend at?forestgirl Another proud member of the "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>) you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Forestgirl,
CONGRATS on the new hubby.
You can bend polycarb by putting it in a vise or clamping it to a table edge with a piece of angle iron top. Don't use a lot of pressure, the same psi as you would use for a very soft wood. The key is to have even psi across the the bend line. Keep in mind that the bend will not be tight like you can get with thin sheet metal, another words, slide the plastic out a little from where you want the bend. Use a heat gun and SLOWLY heat the entire bend keeping the gun moving on both sides. You can use a torch but be careful not to burn the surface. If you stop in one spot with either heating method the poly will bubble. Patience! It will start to soften around 300F. Start the bend and watch for ares that are not quite hot, add more heat where needed. Hold until cool or use some air to cool faster. Good luck.
Joe Phillips
Plastics pay the bills, Woodworking keeps me sane!
Thanks, Joe, I'll give it a try. Hah! I'll tell Nick you think he's "new" too, he'll get a kick out of that. PS:::::: Just thought of something -- I have one of those radiant heaters (shaped like a small satellite dish). That might work for heating, eh? I could test the temp across the front and figure out where the best place is for the plexi to be positioned. Cool!
forestgirl Another proud member of the "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>) you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Edited 1/16/2004 7:51:30 PM ET by forestgirl
Hey FG the plastics bender,
Radiant heat works, but a heat gun like Joe suggested will place a controlled amount of heat exactly where you want it. A propane torch will be more tight like if you wanted sharp 90° bends. Joe mentioned polycarbonate, which has a higher melt temp than Plexi (acrylic). Plexi will bend easily for you. I've actually thermoformed acrylic using a "drape molding" procedure in my own kithen oven. 275 - 300° will do, but the whole pc will be like cheese. I mounted my plastic in a frame.
A propane torpedo heater is awesome for large bends in thicker material too. - JB
"The furniture designer is an architect." - Maurice DuFrenes (French Art Deco furniture designer, contemporary of Ruhlmann)
http://www.pbase.com/dr_dichro
Concentrate the heat to the bend only or you will distort the rest of the sheet and end up with a wavy mess.
Joe Phillips
Plastics pay the bills, Woodworking keeps me sane!
WOW! so can you ship to canada for me! I need some UHMV Plastics.. different sizes.
HUh can ya! (I will say please)TYIf nothing sticks to Teflon,how does Teflon Stick to metal. Huh
Beck,
I buy my UHMW from McMaster Carr. 330-995-5500 http://www.mcmaster.com
The Teflon is applied with a carrier that sticks to the prepped surface the same as primer sticks to metal.
Joe Phillips
Plastics pay the bills, Woodworking keeps me sane!
I buy my UHMW from McMaster Carr. 330-995-5500 http://www.mcmaster.com
The Teflon is applied with a carrier that sticks to the prepped surface the same as primer sticks to metal.
Hehehhe I know and TY.. but you didn't tell me if they ship to Canada!will loggon to that site and check it out..and TYIf nothing sticks to Teflon,how does Teflon Stick to metal. Huh
Hi Forestgirl
Your post has finally given me the courage to open up and introduce myself. I've been a professional woodworker for about 30+ years, starting with working for a production yacht builder in Costa Mesa, CA., and moving on from there through more woodworking jobs than any sane person would have the time to read. I've been Woodshop Supervisor at the J.Paul Getty Museum for the past 17 years, and before that ran my own custom and limited production woodworking shop, called Acorn Design, which, among other things, produced the Acorn Workbench Kit, which Scott Landis wrote about in the Workbench Book, in the chapter "Benches to Market". I have a small woodshop at home, about 300 sq. ft., in which I try to keep my skills honed doing jobs that are different from those required by the Museum, which tend to be mostly pedestals, showcases, and other types of exhibition gallery furnishings. I'm currently finishing two reproduction chairs for my father, to match a set of turn of the century Viennese chairs inherited from my great grandmother; 4 Craftsman-style white oak entry doors for my own house; and new cabinets for my kitchen and bathroom remodel, done Craftsman style in maple, instead of oak. I just started reading Knots a few weeks ago, and find the give-and-take exhilerating. Now, if I could just figure out how to spend more time in my shop than the Getty's...........
HI Peter from an ex employee
Your knowledge about woodworking will be a great adhesion here. I posted for awhile but I stopped when Realized I was spending to much time here and not working. I posted a bad story about working for you 8661.1 check it out. Lon Schleining Has a new book about benches coming out, I'm sure he mentioned yours? Good to here from you.
Jeff Bennett [email protected]
This is fantastic! Have only been able to scan quickly through, as I have to go to work :>( today, but thanks everyone for coming out from behind the curtains!forestgirl Another proud member of the "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>) you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Hi
I'm a firefighter and woodworker/turner and Hobiecat sailer (not necessarily in that order)
I,ve been dabbling in wood since highschool nearly 30 years ago. I've made a few jewellry boxes and a couple of hope chests (cedar lined) and 40 or 50 hollow turned christmas ornimants in the last few years. The current project is a 16 ft cedar strip canoe, we've been 2/3 done since May, now christmas is over with we can get back to it unless another excuse pops up.
looking forward to learning and sharing the bit of knowledge I've picked up along the journey to this point.
thanx
Lumpy
Good Idea Forestgirl, i always enjoy your many posts as well as all the others.
I have been a member for some time and occasionally post an idea or two. I scan this forum almost every day.
I am a retired Anesthesiologist and have a basement shop in a condominium in the Boston area. I built the shop about 20 years ago, but did not have time to really get it into shape until after I retired two and a half years ago. Most of my projects have been shop related storage, jigs etc. I am teaching myself to become better as I build jigs which get more accurate with each one.
I have made a few toys for relatives and friends over the years, and am curently getting involved with a new Rockler sponsored Boston Toy Guild which is getting organized and meets monthly.
I have no need to make furniture for our house, so toys and small projects for friends, relatives, etc. satisfies me now.
I always enjoy the posts here and almost always learn something. I am in awe of many members skills and projects.
My wife and I travel a good deal so finding time for the shop can be difficult.
I have attached pics of recent small projects. The magazine rack I designed is based on the arm of the Chippendale chair a picture of which is also attached. The finish was done by the person who faux finished the chairs. The two "Kiddie Cars" are from Wood Magazine plans from years ago. I have made four of them over the years and this pair went to twin grandchildren of a colleague. The oak was milled up from fire wood I have. Maple was purchased.
Enough for now. this is too long as it is.Bill
Just realized that I duplicated one pic and did not send the chair pic. Can't seem to add another pick in the edit screen, just deleted the dup.
Edited 1/13/2004 7:39:09 PM ET by BILLL6
Edited 1/13/2004 7:42:33 PM ET by BILLL6
Hi FG, great idea!!
My name is John, and I live in western PA(its a balmy 4 degrees tonight). I have posted a few times in the business section. I am an ex contractor who has had some bad luck with doctors so I cant work as one any more. So as of about 2 weeks ago, I rented a small shop/storefront to do some woodworking. Nothing big, I can't lift em :), and can't stand for too long either, so if I just make enough to cover the rent, then I will be very happy.
My latest project is a bed for my 18 month old, I made it out of MDF, it is a replica of a 1956 John Deere model 50. I laminated 8 sheets together and cut out the wheels and then "carved" them with my grinder/dremel. I ordered a authentic decal set, and painted it JD green and yellow. I have pics if anyone is interested.
Thanks John
Hi forestgirl,
I am a novice woodworker. I just picked up a GI 185 tablesaw
today so I have been playing with that. I have been lurking
for almost a year. I see your from western Washington also.
How did you fair in the snow? The snow wasn't to bad for me
but the freezing rain was no fun. Had a tree hit my house
luckily there was no damage.
Kevin.
P.S.
I am a machinist and love to fly fish for Steelhead.
Edited 1/11/2004 3:42:03 AM ET by KevinK
OK I'll get up the nerve and join in. I'm a servicemember currently living in NC. I started dabbling in WW when my wife and I bought our first house 13 years ago. I have to tell you it's been a God send. Before WW my only outlet was the bar secene or partying with friends. This is has been a great creative and constructive outlet. Wow I almost feel like I'm at an AA meeting :). I have been lurking for years. Everytime we moved, and we've moved a bit, it was just a matter of getting back up on the internet and right back to this forum. My shop is our carport which at this time of year limits me but I can supplement it with the woodsop on base. We have one more move this year as we rap up this career and move back home. ( Shamelees plug here if anyone in the Milwaukee area is looking for an apprentice). Anyhow thanks to all those sharing their wealth of experience.
Clem
Greetings,
I too am new here and to woodworking. I live in Denmark and I'm working on my college degree in Architectural Technology and Construction Management. I live with my girlfriend (wife by this Summer) and we are expecting our first child by the end of April - yipeee!!!!
I'm interested in Shaker- and Japanese style furniture and construction methods. I have as of yet a limited array of tools but I'm in the market for my first tablesaw. Many of you have been very kind to answer questions I've posted in "Newbie needs info on Jet Super Saw" - thanks guys! It looks like I'm close to getting my clammy hands on an old Scandinavian type workbench and perhaps a small bandsaw too, all from my neighbors late grandfather.
Anyway, just an introduction and a hello to everyone - great forum here!!!
Cheers,
Vallance
Thanks for the welcome ForestGirl.
I am a novice woodworker, with limited skill and knowledge, but growing every day thanks in part to this forum.
I began WW about four years ago but had to pack up and store the tools for a move. I have finally been able to get things set up again in a section of my garage and have begun the never ending search for just the right tools to equip it with.
After searching and observing many of the WW sites, I settled here. This is a great crowd.
My job is construction management for a homebuilder here in Florida, and feel very fortunate to work and live in such an environment.
Thanks again for the welcome and to all for a wonderful forum.
I am a relatively new member here at the Knots Forum, perhaps a month. I have greatly enjoyed reading the friendly exchange of information and tips. I have a small shop, about 500 square feet, but it is well equipped. I just finished building a new bench for myself; it is made from Karri, Black Walnut, Soft Maple, White Oak, and the top is made from quarter sawn Slippery Elm. Sound fancy? Fancy it is not, all of the wood for this bench came as scraps, offcuts, and garbage site finds. Don't get me wrong it is not ugly, but it is large, heavy, dead flat, and comfortable.
I have been wood working for almost four years; my last commission was a dining room suite for a local dentist. I love the work, I love the mistakes, and I love to learn. I better sign off before I need a group hug.
Regards;
None
P.S. What am I doing wrong that causes the thumbs up to appear after my post. I am sorry, I am barely computer literate. Thank you in advance
None,
The thumbs up appears on threads where you have posted a response...its automatic and only you see it when you log in...it's reminding you that you have an interest in that thread...
Thank you, that is a load off my mind.
Edited 1/11/2004 8:10:03 PM ET by none
None, a little more info on the orange thumbs-up. That icon signifies, technically speaking, a "high interest" thread. If you ever can't find a thread that you posted in, including one you started, click "of High Interest" on the "Show Discussions" drop-down list (top of the left-hand column here where you're reading).
Also: If there's a thread you haven't posted in, but you consider it "High Priority" you can give it a Thumbs-Up -- look at the bottom of the right-hand column and see the choices "Rate My Interest". You'll see that you can also mark it "Ignore" if you want. :>))forestgirl Another proud member of the "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>) you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Hi, Forestgirl
I've probably leaped when I should have lurked, but here goes..
My father was a woodworker all his life. He designed and built almost all the furniture in our house. I was always reluctant to take it up because his stuff always seemed perfect, and I was intimidated.
All that changed about 10 years ago when he gave me his 1947 Shopsmith 10E. I bought Norm's book (yeah, I know) and decided it didn't look all that tough. So I built a Shaker clock to give as a wedding present for my niece. A year later, another niece got married, and she wanted one. Pretty soon I was making a clock for all my nieces and nephews who got married. (Did I say i came from a big family?) Built plenty of clocks, a few tables, an entertainment cabinet, and now working on a computer desk.
Before knew it, ten years had passed, and had a shopful of tools. The best thing is now I have a hobby to share with Dad.
Regards,
Dan
Great idea Forestgirl to get us lurkers out into the fray. I've been a hobbiest woodworker since about the age of 8. Professionaly I'm a civil engineer with a small construction company here in way Downeast Maine. Through the years I've built a good deal of furniture for my home as well as three wooden steering wheels for antique Mack trucks, cedar strip canoe and kayak. Worked for a while in late high school early college at a canoe paddle factory building high end racing paddles. Currently in the shop in various stages of construction are 2 pine end tables 1 coffee table a pencil holder and kitchen gadget/tool holder. Love the design aspect of the hobby. I use cad software for the more complex projects but also love to go into my cave (read cellar) and just whip out a Saturday specical project to fufill a some need at the moment. I enjoy both the hand and power tools and depending on the mood. I spent a day at a woodworkers exposition watching Frank Klausz cut dovetails and was totally inspired. Though I did memorize his technique I have to admit I have not been able to the speed or accuracy he was able to achieve.
Hi forestgirl,
I have been a member/lurker for a few months now. I view this forum almost daily for inspiration and knowledge.
I have been working with wood as a hobby for about 20 years with mainly power tools (Craftsman radial arm saw was my only power saw for about 10 years). I have just recently (past 3 years) been getting a bit more serious about the finer points on joinery and finishing.
I am also trying to incorporate more hand tools into my projects...yes, I have been bitten by the 'hand plane/spokeshave bug' ;)
I really enjoy the inciteful and open discusions concerning all the different facets of WW that I read at this forum.
Bye for now...
Tom A.
I've been considering an introductory post but have been too lazy so here goes. I design circuit boards for a living, woodworking has been my hobby for about 28 years, but it's been severely interupted by my other newer hobbies but I'm trying to get back to the two car shop more now. My last major project was a Queen Ann dressing table, my first attempt at "non square" furniture and turned out pretty well, I'm currently (slowly) working on a walnut tilt and turn piecrust table. I've been doing PCB design and drafting for almost 25 yrs. so I don't want to do any design or even see a computer when I get home, so I try to do projects from plans or articles. I moved to Oregon eight years ago from California and have gotten distracted by all of the hunting and fishing opportunities, seems there's almost always a season for some sort of outdoor activities.
Portland is "woodworker friendly", within a half hour drive there's Rockler, Woodcraft, Woodcrafters, Crosscut Hardwoods and Gilmer Wood Products, within about an hour and a half, Goby Walnut and Northwest Timber.
Myles
I moved to this board a month or two ago when my previous hang-out on the web became a gripe session rather than woodworking discussion. Really enjoying the fine group and environment here.
I still have a woodworking project that won a prize when I was in grade-school - over 50 years ago. But only close friends get to see that ugly stool. For most of my life I built kitchen and bath cabinets, bookcases, etc. for houses that I lived in and remodeled. A few years ago I switched to hardwood and making "furniture" rather than "cabinets." Each piece gets better, and the demand has grown outside the family - last year I sold 8 pieces. I am a computer consultant with an international firm, but as retirement nears, I dream of building custom furniture as a "full time"retirement job. My web site has pictures and prices for potential buyers, but also has notes on furniture dimensions (at the bottom of pages) and woods and other data that I can never seem to find when I need it. I hope that will be useful to people here, and I welcome feedback, corrections, and suggestions.
My wife of 33 years has always helped with the projects, and recently started to work in the shop independently. She is a pretty proficient woodworker. But I made the mistake of getting her a fancy computerized sewing machine for her birthday, and lost a woodworking buddy.
Loved your website and the history of your name. Also the woodworking tips - disposable protactor - VERY nice! glad to have you here.
Robin"Well-behaved women rarely make history." from the Sweet Potato Queens' Book of Love
FG - great idea! I too have been a lurker and rare poster here for a couple months. By day I'm a computer software engineer. By night, to get as far away from the computer as possible, I hobby in woodworking. I've done things as small as pens and pencils, to jewelry chests and cutting boards, to end tables, and most recently a 14' x 8' built-in. My shop is approx. 17x17, in the basement of my house. BTW - I live in Maryland in a log home that myself and family built. I get a lot of great tips from this forum, keep it up everybody.
Randy
Thanks for the welcome. I've only been a member of this forum for a week or so but am impressed with the knowledge of the members and their willingness to share it.
I've been a part time woodworker for about 5 years. I have a 2 car garage that hasn't seen a vehicle for at least 2 of those years. I've recently had good results making and selling humidors, jewelry boxes and clocks. My current project is a secretary based on the one in FWW last year, only updated for use with a computer (cable access holes, cd storage, printer/fax in the base).
Works been slow lately because of the cold NJ weather and playing with our 5 month old son.
Hello there, I'm from ga. and have been either employed as or recreationally involved with woodworking for 10 yrs. I am opening up a custom cabinet shop currently, and i am very excited about it.Lease is signed and equipment is showing up daily.
Hi forestgirl,
Joined the site Sept '03. I've been woodworking for approx 2 years, although my wife may say I've been collecting tools for 2 years. I have a small basement shop and have been building small projects to build up some confidence and skill.
I really enjoy the site and the input from the experience folks.
I am a new member and want to thank you for thinking about wellcoming us newcomers ive been a member for a couple of months and consider myself a carpenter, remodeler before a woodworker, but have built cabinets ,hutches, built in dressers and more for customers over the years, have done restoration on some older homes one that is an old gothic style built in 1847 with a lot of trim that i had to duplacate using modern tools that was real fun and rewarding I love working on things like that . I was never a rough carpenter , i had some nice people that gave me some nice chances when i was young. any way its nice to feel wellcome thanks
oh ya my name is Victor and i live in Bangor Maine with my wife Lisa who is a wonderful stained glass artist and watercolorist we have a house we bought 5 years ago and have done a lot to it so far , when i figure out how to post pictures ill do some of what weve done we both have children ages 11 to 27 years and have two dogs bear a black lab and apolo a blond husky , life is good
Dogboy
Edited 1/13/2004 12:20:28 AM ET by dogboy
Hi,
I'm "retired" from teaching Industrial Arts (wood, metal, and drafting-autocad). I do some finish and rough carpentry, build furniture and some of my own tools. I have a friend with a woodmizer, so I'm fairly well stocked with air dried local woods. I'm located outside of Manchester, Michigan, on 18 acres with beautiful rolling hills. My "shop" is a 24' x 40' pole barn. I've been reading here for a while and just signed up in the last week or so.
Jim Diedrich
Retired? Sometimes.
To say I'm new would be imprecise. I've even posted once or twice already. :) But my wife did just get done creating a web page with her quilting and my woodworking on it (and a recent vacation), http://fp2.ipns.com/szott is the root page.
I remember my parents doing woodworking when I was growing up, and they've made quite some progress at it over the years. I find woodworking an interesting variation from my day job of electrical engineer. I like creating something that can be more easily appreciated than 'Ah, you created the semi-rectangular green fiberglass thingy with the little black plastic blobs soldered onto it! And you came up with that scheme in only two years?'
I've been following the forums here for better than a year now, mostly in lurk mode. I do want to say thank you to all for the assist in my education. I've learned a bit about the tools and techniques that go into this. While Fine Woodworking is one good source of inspiration and information, it's also nice to have a place to bring questions and listen to discussions of alternate ways of doing things.
Morning Forestgirl,
If you tell us about you I'll tell you about me.
I'm an architect in NYC and spend my weekends in the "wilds" of western Mass.
Renovated a few houses over the years. Always built cabinets shelves etc. About 9 or 10 years ago we needed some new chairs for the den. Went into a Crate and Barrel and my wife sits down in a spindle arm Morris chair and says Pick me up in a couple of hours. Always loved that chair. I said. I can make that. And I did. Made two of them and 2 ottmans and a small table to fit between.
Since then I've made anything the family needs. beds, dressers, some inlayed frames for artwork we bought etc.
Last project was a bubinga table for the foyer which I posted in early December.
Next project is a dining room table and buffet. I'm sure I'll have some questions about that.
Nice idea for the post to let everyone get to know each other
ASK
I too have been lurking around this site off and on for a few years. I rehabbed the interior of my house a few years ago. I live in Chicago near Wrigley Field (Go Cubs!) I have one more built-in entertainment center to go and then I can finally! move on to some smaller scale projects. I reserved the basement for my workshop (about 1000 square feet with a 7 foot ceiling). I will concentrate on organizing it and installing a dust collection system as soon as I finish the built-in (both of which I probably should have done as the first project inside the house!).
By day, I am a CPA and work for a corporation doing international tax planning. Will also finish my MBA in June. But I'd give it all up in a second if I thought I could make a decent living doing woodworking. But for now, I'm not going to quit my day job yet. I think it was John Belushi in Animal House who said...."14 years of education down the drain!".
I enjoy the forum and have learned quite a bit from fellow woodworkers who are willing to share their knowledge. I have also recently joined a local woodworking club and hope to learn alot from the mostly "retired" members.
I like to think of myself as a wood worker. But probably in the hobbyist category. See I grew up watching/helping my dad with his woodworking and I think of anything else more relaxing. so let's see 14 years watching helping + 10 years on my own....
the downside is I have a lot of first and knowledge that I have gained and can't use right now, because I am in the middle of a remodel. (I think I'm getting withdrawl symptoms, I keep thinking about adding some builtins.) Of course at the tail end of that I get to set my shop up right. :-)
Adam
If ignorance is bliss. Then how come I'm not happy all the time?
I guess it is my turn to stand up in front of the group and admit I have a problem,
I go by the name Shaker and I have a problem. . . . I am a lurker too. It feels good to get that off my chest. lol, anyway
I have been coming to this site for a couple of years now. My full time job is in sales with Pepsi but I do spend alot of time in the shop making lots of fine sawdust. I have been woodworking for about 5 years learning as I go from books and from here.
Shaker
Shaker
Welcome and glad you posted..................
Now, if Rattler and Roller will come on out Forest Girl has done well indeed! With that combo anything is possible. Maybe the "King" himself might show.
Come on Elvis, we know you're out there lurking. Free jelly do-nuts await, my treat. ha.. ha.. ha..ha..ha..
Regards to All from the sarge..jt
P.S. As always, you done good FG!
Proud member of the : "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>)
Edited 1/14/2004 11:11:46 AM ET by SARGE
Hey, Sarge, Thanks. This is amazing -- just look at all the talent and knowledge that's been hiding in the shadows here! I'm stoked! (old '60's saying, sorry, mental regression here.)forestgirl Another proud member of the "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>) you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
FG
"Stoked"..... I think I heard my great-grand-father use that term once! Just after he attended the Atlanta Pop Festival in late summer of 1969 and seeing Jimmy Hendrix, if I recall.. ha..ha...
Yep, quite a bit of talent and interesting people "coming out" here. Enough that I may become a "lurker" awhile as I might learn something. Every time I log-in I always scan down to see who has just logged in. 70% are Guest, so I knew the "lurkers" are out there. I was a lurker for several weeks before I got up enough nerve to post without feeling embarassed. You know I'm the quiet, shy type that will go out of my way to dodge trouble if it brews. ha.. ha.. ha...
I think this is fantastic and am enjoying everyone that posts as "I have always felt that no matter the experience level, everyone has something to contribute". This is how WW can be communicated and passed along as it has for 5000 years. And it's just plane fun...
I will relate what is happening here to a craft I did professionally for several years. A craft not for those without discipline and patience.
You're on a HOT STREAK folks! 7's and 11's keep coming up on the come-out roll. Pull back a small profit and ride the streak.
KEEP UP THE HOT ROLL, LURKERS!!
PAY THE DO'S AND PULL THE DON'TS......
Regards to ALL from the sunny south...
sarge..jtProud member of the : "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>)
Sarge, you outdid yourself with that last post! When did you learn to "center"??!
Don't you dare slink into lurkerhood!forestgirl Another proud member of the "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>) you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
FG
"When did you learn to center"?
Immediately after I had to treat my wife to Prime Rib after I asked her, "how do you make this thing center"?
After she showed me, I felt I had been ripped off and she just laughed at me. It was kind of simple, IMO. Prime rib at at prime spot just for that! Life's not fair. I should have chose a woman with less IQ.
To counter, I took the engine out of her car. She asked me when I was going to put it back in?
The answer was of course, "As soon as you treat me to seafood at Fisherman's Wharf in San Francisco"! Free tickets to anywhere in the continental U.S. from my BIL once a year who works at Delta Air Lines is sometimes a plus.
Come to think of it, life's not so bad after all. ha.. ha...
Regards to the "Enchanted Lady of the Forest"...
sarge..jt Proud member of the : "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>)
Hey Forestgirl, this is Spitfire!
I am a novice woodworker from North Attleboro, MA who has until recently a casual interest in woodworking and modest list of accomplishments. Now I am taking it more serious upgrading tools, quality, quantity and my skills. Went from only a skil saw, 2 saw horses, and a used router 5 years ago to a jet jointer, Delta contractors table saw, delta drill press, benchdog router table, and some real fine handtools. Staring makiong "furniture, really pices. if one can even describe it thus" out of plywood, elmers glue and biscuits, and all hand painted or crudle stained with minwax stain. Gosh was that ugly and crude stuff, ha ha
Gradulaly making nicer things and like what I do.
I see what real craftpeople make and am in awe. Goal is to improve and make a nice secreary and grandfathers clock some day!!
I am a veterinarian who is completing 30 + years of vet med practice and look forward to my new leisurely, relaxing second and final career.
Yes, I have been lurking for the past 7 years. Popping a question in Knots or Breaktime every now and then. Also in Cooks Talk and Gatherings...
I am a master carpenter, in theory. This title was given to me by myself based on the numerous books, magazines and tool catalogs that I have read and the TV shows that I have watched in my lifetime. I can do some amazing woodwork from the comfort of my couch or that 'special library room'. I must be the best 'well read' woodworker around here... If I could get a PHD in virtual woodworking or armchair furniture building, I will have it by now. lol!
I also believe in the principle of buying and accumulating lots of tools, power and hand, so they can fill my garage, furthering perpetuating the myth that garages are for cars. Due to insurance and safety regulations, entry to my garage is not permitted. Question, why put a car in a space that could be filled with tools, wood, etc and things that I 'might' use or need in the future... :-)
Additionally, I also practice the art of keeping those tools free of sawdust and minimize their exposure to non-ferrous surfaces. I never understood the reason of getting a perfectly clean tool dirty... lol
Ok, you got me, I am a novice that needs to get his tools powered up, saws cutting, chisels chipping, etc. I am in the Washington DC/Northern VA area and if anybody has any spare Powermatic 66's, Unisaws, 1023s or even a Felder or a Minimax laying around without beeing used and you want to get rid of it, I will gladly come to your house and remove it for free... how about that!? LOL
At any rate, thank you all for the good reading and tips
Eug
Never really considered what anyone might want to know, but here goes...
My mother calls me Chris, but my beautiful wife and two fantastic children refer to me as 'Honey' and 'Daddy' respectively (do not confuse this with 'respectfully!). I pay the mortgage on our 120 year old home by swinging wrenches at the local Honda automobile dealership. Like many others I've been drawn to this craft by an appreciation (if not a true realization) of the effort and true humanity involved in hand crafting fine woodwork. Helping my father in his workshop helped with the basics, but veneer cabinet construction and solid stock construction are evidently completely different animals.
This site was recommended to me by a person called Goldhiller who apparently lives at Breaktime. I'll have to stop by there and say thanks, because it's been a wellspring of information, if interspersed by pockets of confusion. I don't mean to whine, but just as I think I've learned something it seems a new obstacle looms anew. Trades are like that, though. Thats why we serve apprenticeships.
I do hope, someday, to have someone say 'My Great-great-great-grandfather's dad made that for him' but until then I'll settle for anything short of laughing out loud.
So that's about it, I'm sure I'll become very familiar with some of you but I'd like to wish everybody the very best of everything life has to offer for many years to come, and remember, the sawdust is always fine.
Like many others, I think this was a great idea, Forestgirl!
A couple of years ago my wife encouraged me to pursue my hobby of model railroading. I needed to build some benchwork and had no tools. My wife encouraged me to buy some so I jumped in head first with both feet with a tablesaw, bandsaw, jointer and various hand tools.
Last June I started talking with a contractor about building a small shop. He mentioned the forums here as a place to ask questions and get advice. About that same time I managed to get my fingers too close to my tablesaw. I posted a question to the forum about a dream shop and got a whole lot of great responses. I didn't reply very quickly (or at all) to some of the posts since I was typing with one hand the other being in a cast with some really gruesome stitching in it.
That experience took some of the wind out of my sails, but I am back able to type with both hands which means I can get into the shop again. Discussions with the builder are back on track and I should have a new shop by mid 2004.
As far as projects go, I have turned a couple of oak trees into rough lumber, made a couple of desks and a stool for my daughter to use to get up to the sink (she is 3) and shelves, cabinets and jigs and such for use in the shop. My current project is a larger stepstool made from quartersawn red oak that started out as a tree in the front yard.
My day job is as software developer in bioinformatics for a startup pharmaceutical company in Cambridge, MA. I am hoping for a successful IPO in a couple of years so I can cut back on my hours (maybe geta part time job somewhere close) and spend more time in the shop. Woodworking beats bioinformatics hands down!
I am constantly amazed at the wonderful insights and advice I read in the forums and hope to be able to contribute something more useful than this tome some day.
Oh, yeah, about the model railroading -- well I still don't have the benchwork done, but I have a wonderful track plan designed and am having a load of fun learning how to make beautiful sawdust and an occasional useful piece of furniture. And my wife is still a strong supporter of my woodworking hobby. She does sometimes ask about the railroad layout...maybe next year...
I have rambled on way too long. thanks for reading!
Frank Burough
how bad did you get the finger/ my left pinky has a 1" surgical steel plate in it due to dragging the back of my hand across a rip blade... I was sleepy, wasnt using a guard, and probably worst of all had alot of blade coming up thru the piece. oh well live and learn. Welcome to our little slice of heaven. there are lots of brilliant minds here (myselfnot included) and these guys (and girls) love to answer questions...
My middle finger had to be reattached as it was hanging by some skin and blood vessels only. Cut it right through the joint so the middle joint no longer bends. Gotta be careful now when I am driving or anything else that people don't misunderstand my hand gesture <grin>. Index finger should make a complete recovery, though I still have a lot of stiffness and nerve damage. Ring finger is incredibly stiff and also has nerve damage, but, like the index finger, all the joints should be fine.
I didn't have the blade guard on either. But I do now!
It is good to be here -- I just wish I had more time to visit the forums!
Frank
Forestgirl,
You must have read my mind! After making several posts here last night I felt kind of funny, spouting off without properly introducing myself.
I'm a third-generation SF Bay Area Californian (yes, you right-coasters - that is rare!). Still have all my fingers, after doing various projects on my dad's 40's vintage contractor saw as a teenager - back before blade guards were invented :-).
Got seriously into carpentry after buying a 24x24 cabin in the redwoods. From there did all kinds of construction through the mid 70's to early 80's. Everything from design & blueprints to finish paint - well, everything but masonry. Know enough to really respect the pro's, and enough to be stuborn and try it myself whether I really know what I'm doing or not.
Some of that was in East TN. Got spoiled doing my lumber shopping at (and hauling my own logs to) the local saw mill - nothing quite like watching the sawyer cut 8 full dimension 2x12x16's out of one red oak log to make a wood freak's heart sing! I still have some of the walnut, cherry and apple from those days - good for boxes and such cause it's a bit squirly for anything bigger.
After 8 years in a condo with my tools stuffed in a closet I'm now in a house with a small but very real shop - just 16 x 17 sincle car garage that came with a raised wood floor (didn't look any further than that before making the offer!).
I've discovered that I'm a serial hobbiest. Photography saved my sanity, and fed my creative side, while in the condo. The first few years in this house have been devoted to landscaping/hardscaping/gardening. Now it's time to move inside.
Practicing in the shop - building dovetail drawers for router bits, my first mortise & tenon panel doors, etc. Also trying to figure out how to squeeze an 8" jointer in next to the 60's era Rockwell Unisaw, dust collector, etc. and still have room to work. First projectw will be a desk for the office w/lateral file cabinet, bookcase and room for 2 computers with droped keyboard trays; double bookcase/alter unit for my wife's room with bowed front doors & drawer on the alter piece (she has been incredibly supportive - I owe her!) and cabinets for the laundry room (practice for the kitchen in 2005).
I am so grateful to have discovered this wonderful community, with such an amazing range of experience and the willingness to share so openly and positively. You have already helped me in many ways as I start to prep the shop for action. Now, if I can just figure out how to hang in Knots AND get in some shop time!
Wayne
Frank,
Just wanted to let you know. I got a small catalogue of courses being offered at NBSS this year...very reasonable prices. eg. fundamentals of fine woodworking...ten Saturdays..8:30 to 4:30....$750. Also, some one day sessions on sharpening, etc.
Hi BG. got your message about the fundamentals of woodworking. I would love to hear more about the courses. I can use all the help I can get!
Frank
Frank,
I have not taken any courses there yet...but diffenately thinking seriously about it. They have a 10 Saturday course, 8 hours a day on the fundamentals for only $750...gees louise, that is cheap. They also have one day sharpening courses, and all sorts of goodies. Click on http://www.NBSS.org and order up a catalogue....
I went over to the Springfield, MA WoodWorks show today. Talked and listened to several experts ....its incredible, they just keep rolling out these pearls.....I was gathering just as fast as I could. There is no question in my mind that a good fundamentals course would make all the difference in the world.....and here we have in our backyard, for a low cost..the very best..wow!
Hello Forestgirl and everyone else, too. I have been reading posts here for quite a while, but never have jumped in, until now. My woodworking hobby started only 4 years ago, in a very unusual way. The guy who lived behind me had a separate building for his workshop, but unfortunately got careless with his woodstove and burned it down. He took all his black and nasty tools out into his yard and covered them with a tarp, thinking he would give them to his son on his next trip to town. A year later the son arrives on the scene and after a short look at the tools decided he wasn't interested in them. By then the neighbor had some health problems and needed to move to a warmer climate (I'm in SE Michigan), so he wanted to move them out of his yard so he could sell the house. Thats when he offered them to me for the taking. I got a Walker-Turner cabinet saw, a 18" Jet bandsaw, and a big Porter-Cable router. After a couple gallons of paint stripper and a lot of elbow grease, I replaced all belts, bearings and power cords and did a repaint on each piece. At this point, I was going to sell them, but then my 3 grown sons began asking for help with projects they were doing, so I found myself in the woodworking hobby by default. I subscribed to 4 magazines and read every article and spent a lot of time making sawdust. I am learning a lot and will continue to do so. So far, my best achievement is a 84" high by 84" wide bookcase made out of American Elm. It turned out magnificently, so I am told. I might submit it to "current work" in FWW.
Thanx for the opportunity to introduce myself and congradulations on the wedding.
Lots of interesting stories here so far - it really adds the 3rd and sometimes 4th dimension to everyones lives.
But aquiring all your woodworking tools by default from a neighbors fire - that one takes the cake.
FG - you must regularly post here to keep this on up to the top in order to utilize this as a quick reference guide. Why is it that whenever I see your name I think of some cute little elf from Lord of the Rings?
"The furniture designer is an architect." - Maurice DuFrenes (French Art Deco furniture designer, contemporary of Ruhlmann)
http://www.pbase.com/dr_dichro
Thanks, Forestgirl, for starting this thread. I should have introduced myself when I joined this forum over a year ago.
Retired Industrial Arts teacher after over thirty years of the best job anyone could imagine - working with great kids in a warm shop while they discovered the joys of designing and then making things with their own hands. We "played" with a little bit of everything - wood, metal, plastic, leather, glass, etc, plus printing, electrical, casting, welding, theater and prom sets, repairs for classrooms and sports equipment - you name it.
Now sort of the "Jack of all trades and master of none" who with my wife, also a retired teacher, is trying to decide whether to build a shop where we currently live or move and then build. I have designed and set up school shops, but never my own, so I'm having a lot of fun with this project.
I spend way too much time lurking on this forum, along with Breaktime, but am enjoying it and finding out how much I still have to learn. Thanks to everyone who contributes to make this such an enjoyable place to be. With each post, someone else here learns something.
Oldfred
I've been a member for a short time and have posted a few times. I've been seriously woodworking for a little over two years (since I retired from teaching music). I've been doing mostly home projects (remodeling rooms) in which I have made tongue/groove flooring, baseboards and cove molding on my homemade router table/fence. Sarge's recent "challenge" on handcut dovetails has encouraged me to take the plunge and I've partially finished a dovetail box. The first ones are pretty awful, but I'm going to get better :-). Thanks to you and all the other pros on this forum. I have learned tons since joining.
Stay safe
Marv
Welcome Marv -- I've a soft spot in my heart for all music teachers, as that was My Life in Jr. High and High School!
"...you and all the other pros" Oops, a pro I'm not. I play my little part here at Knots, but fall more into the advanced beginner category than anything else. The big difference 'tween me and other ABs is that I talk more, LOL!forestgirl Another proud member of the "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>) you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
O.k. I'll jump in. I've been on the forum for a couple years now, I reckon. I'm a little past beginner status. I've made a few projects over the past three or four years, and some of them turned out pretty o.k. I tried one or two projects that were beyond my capabilities at the time but I suppose that's how one learns the craft.
I'm frustrated by a lack of time, space, tools and energy, in that order. My wife and I both work, I have a long commute and we have two small children at home. Rare is the time I get to spend uninterrupted banging boards together. When I finally DO get down into my corner of the cellar, I rush things trying to get as much done as possible. It can take me weeks or months to do a simple bookcase.
But the bug got me and it ain't lettin' go.
*****Read on only if you have a high tolerance for self-inflicted indulgence.
The one tool I desire more than all others is a proper workbench. To me, the workbench signifies stability, solidity and opportunity. It's become a strong symbol for me. It's also the one thing that I can't allow myself to have. See, I 've been living away from my hometown for 11 years and the homesickness has never worn off. I've never given up on the dream of one day being able to return (Thomas Wolfe, love him though I do, be darned). If I build the workbench it will be an end to many woodworking frustrations. More significantly, though, I'm afraid it will be a surrender to complacency and the reality that I might never get home.
Thanks for letting me whine.
Hi FG,
I've posted a few times over the past several months, but mostly I'm a lurker.
I'm trying to establish myself as a custom furniture maker and woodworker here in Louisville, KY. I (used) to work with computers as a software developer but after being laid off 3 months ago, and generally just being sick and tired of the IT scene I decided to try and do this fulltime. I got serious about woodworking in the 80's but stopped after traveling and moving and having no shop space. Now I have a 24x28 dedicated shop.
Today, I completed building a vacuum veneer press from the plans at joewoodworker.com and I'm in the middle of my first press. I'm excited!
Hello All,
I just joined the forum a few days ago. I can't really call myself a wood"worker" at this point as much as, perhaps, a wood"dreamer". I am currently in the middle of creating my first ever woodworking project.
I am originally from Belfast, Ireland - grew up in the California, Bay Area, Did a pleasant stint on Maui for three years and now live about 60 miles north of Seattle, WA.
I don't remember when I first became interested in woodworking, probably about five years ago. I have always appreciated great craftsmanship in any media. I have always been a "fix-it" kind of guy and it never really occured to me that there was something I couldn't do if I educated myself about it and just did it.
About five years ago I took an interest in woodworking and began picking up magazines, books, etc to learn more about it and get the scoop on tools, techniques, etc. I also began to gather the basic tools required for the job. I am primarily interested in building items for my home and business (I own a small mailing company). My "Big" goal at this point is to make myself a pool table (something I never see much info on in the woodworking magazines though I was able to order a photocopy of an article from a sold out edition of Fine Woodworking).
Thanks to you all for being here and for the wisdom that you share.
Cheers,
G
Saucyg,
Go to pooltableplans.com for a great resource on pool tables. I've wanted build one, too, but am concerned about it's playability. The guys on this site seem to have a pretty good plan in place.
Good luck and welcome,
Kell
Forestgirl,
I have been on this site almost daily for about 6 months, but only posted a dozen times or so.
I have had some sort of tool in my hand (no smart alec coments) since I could walk (now, mid thirties). I have always enjoyed woodworking. My dad would let me help him in the shop (garage) when I was very young, unfortunately he passed away when I was eight. I continued with woodworking but my mother would never let me use power tools therefore I learned the use of handtools only until I became an adult. Always ticked me off but in retrospect was probably very beneficial.
When setting up my own shop, I started with the usual Jet/Delta/etc. equipment but in the last few years I have been switching over to vintage industrial equipment and selling off all the newer stuff. When you can get a 12" 2000lb jointer for the same price as a jet 6", its a no-brainer.
Most the projects I work on are pieces of furniture for our house including bedroom sets for my three daughters. Design style tends to be Arts & Crafts and Shaker. They work well in our 100 year old house.
I am a Structural Engineer by occupation.
Brian
Hi Forest Girl!
Thanks for thinking of this,,, I still feel new here too and enjoy just hanging out here in the odd moments.
I would describe myself as a lifelong devotee of woodism. I added up the whole career thing quite early and decided to simply go straight for retirement and do what I loved. Though the hours have been long, the years are short, and I still wake up excited to head down to the shop. I do stricktly ( not Gustave) furniture now but have done a lot of carpentry and architectural, marine work,,, anything and everyting wooden. When I'm not in the shop I'm usually outward bound, heading towards water or mountains. The whole deal has worked out ok and I've raised a family, paid the health insurance etc. (did I mention the long hours, Ok it's like retirement except that I work my #### off)).
We got a couple acres and the shop is about 2100 feet and now fully equipped. there is woodshed and dry kiln and sawmill and forklift and backhoe and a bunch of kids putting themselves through college with various parts of the above equipment. It is amazing to look at what committment and slow progress looks like after a long time, though I don't have much time to look,,,, too much to do and always a new project....
I'm also rabidly interested in forestry and the long term health of our forests. I manage a conservation project here and plant trees wherever, whenever.
So here's to my fellow woodists..... It's a good life!
tai
Thank you for the invite. After lurking for 2 years, I joined about a year ago. I am from Jamaica originally and reside in the outskirts of San Francisco. I work in the computer industry and took up woodworking around three years ago. I am also heavily involved in fly fishing and make wooden fly boxes. My goal is to make period furniture. I just bought carving tools for Christmas and going to try to learn carving. Knots have been very informative and I have been very impressed by the level of expertise of the members. The banter between you and Sarge is great. I feel like I know you guys personally.
Ps. Congratulations on your recent nuptials.
haroldp16
"The banter between you and Sarge is great".
Ugh oohh! I'm getting the feeling that my picture is showing up on more Post Office walls than I expected. That Walsh fella from America's Most Wanted may be featuring me next. And all that Walnut I took form Forest Girls wood rack while she was out of town was "just a mis-understanding". I just ughhh.. ughhh... forgot to mention to her I was going to borrow it. Take that stuff across a state line and those goverment "boys" get their shorts in a wad. ha.. ha...
Welcome to Knots... Don't need no ticket, just get on board!
??? Has the old "Paladian West" in San Francisco been torn down, or was that before your time. Country Joe and the Fish in 1967. That will give you a hint if you don't know the answer. Tell that waitress in "North Beach" I'm still planning on taking her to the Monterey POP Festival. I've just been real busy. ha.. ha...
Regards...
sarge..jtProud member of the : "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>)
Sarge
Unfortunately I left Jamaica in 75 and spent 6 years in New York so I totally missed the San Francisco 60s scene, Thanks for the welcome.
Hi,
I started "serious" woodworking last winter when I enrolled in a certificate furniture building course at one of our local community colleges. Since that time I have read as much as I can and tried to apply it at the same time. My wife and I are currently in the process of relocating to Vancouver Island from Calgary and she has agreed to support our household while I attend furniture school in Victoria next year for 10 months.
My plans after that are to hopefully open a small studio and deliver custom designs.
You jump in the pool and you only get so wet right?
I missed this thread for a while, the title sounded too much like spam! ;-)
Like most of you, I've been doing WW as a hobby for much of my life, progressing from nailing sticks together to cutting dovetails... Three years ago we abandoned the hurly-burly of the SF Bay area, retreating to the woods of the Mendocino coast. That cut my consulting practice (environmental engineering) drastically, so I started making my hobby pay for itself. Maybe this year it will finally pay for some groceries, too! (Where's the emoticon for "fingers crossed?")
Most of my WW education has come from books and the pages of FWW, so don't pay too much attention to any advice I give... it's all second-hand lore at this point!
I've dropped in on Knots from time to time in the past, but only recently felt bold enough to post. It's a great little community you all have going here, some excellent discussions and a nice "vibe." (The 1960's never really died here, Mendonesians sprinkle their talk with a lot of hippie-lingo!)
"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler." A. Einstein
http://www.albionworks.net
"the title sounded too much like spam!" Too funny. So, you figured being sucker #84 was OK? Mendocino is so beautiful -- I lived in the Sacto valley for 21 years, and much of the Bay Area and the coast was refuge from the broiling temps. Has business been favorably affected by the popularity of the LoR movies?? That Rohirric chest gives me goose-bumps!forestgirl Another proud member of the "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>) you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
FG, where in the Sacratomato Valley were you? A far cry from there to Puget Sound! The problem with living here on the coast is, I've grown climate-soft and can't take heat any more. When it gets over 70 I have to go lie down.
The other problem here is, and this may sound familiar, the d*** humidity. All that KD lumber I get from Santa Rosa does the hoochie-kootchie in my storage racks. Then I build something and ship it to SoCal, where it shrinks and tries to cup the other direction. Part of why I use so much QS!
Thanks for the nice comment on the chest. If I ever get caught up with my backlog, I'd like to get some more Tolkienian commissions. Have some bronze-casting ideas..."Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler." A. Einstein
http://www.albionworks.net
Hi AW, yep, the heat gets tough to take. I went to school at UC Davis and lived there for 21 years, working at the U for most of that time. I was in the horse business in my "spare time" and moved me and the horses to the northwest in 1989 to be in a cooler climate and have a full-time trainer, a friend I had worked for for several years when she had a ranch in Davis. Got hurt not long before moving up, so the horses were sold in 1990 and 1991, but no desire to return to those 95+ summer temps! I can make it to about 75* before collapsing, ROFL!!
Good to hear you have a back-log! Better than the alternative, right? Sounds like a nice insulated lumber-room with a dehumidifier might be a welcome sight!forestgirl Another proud member of the "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>) you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
I joined this forum a while ago and occassionally lurk here to view the posts and replies. I have always worked with wood. I am retired now for almost 14 years and all my working life I ran a casket manufacturing plant. Now I am happy that my woodworking projects end up above ground and not under it.
For the last 6 or 7 years I have turned to woodturning, something that always intrigued me, but never tried. My specialty in woodturning is segmented woodturning, which involves cutting pieces of wood at very precise angles and gluing them together to make a circle. then these separate layers are glued together and then turned. If you use varying colored woods, the effects can be quite remarkable. However, you have to be a very fussy, patient person, since you do not get to see what your piece will look like until you finally turn it. My workshop is extremely small and I share space with the furnace, so all my machinery in on casters.
By the way, I am from Rhode Island. We have had some really cold weather here lately, but we got above freezing the last couple of days. Last Thursday we hit -6 degrees at night. That is all for now, except to say that I admire the sharing of knowledge that occures here. Keep it up.
Forestgirl,
When you worked at UCD did you ever get into the maintenance shop? Just curious if you spent any time on my Rockwell Unisaw - I'm told that was it's last home.
Don't blame you about the heat - the Central Valley is unreal.
Wayne
Hi,
I've been lurking here too, only just joined, and somehow missed this 'introduce yourself' thread from forestgirl. So, in brief, I'm a virtual newbie at this, been making shavings just under a year. 20+ years as a lawyer, now I get to work on things that might last a little longer. I rent space from a professional here in Miami over the winter, and it looks like I'll get to spend 4 or 5 months this summer working and learning at the Four Sisters 'dream shop' in Fort Bragg. ('Lucky' hardly begins to describe ... get to learn from two supremely nice and talented guys, plus escape the entire steamy summer in Miami!)
I'll have to make a point to look up 'Albionwood' when I get there this summer, he's just up the road.
Anyway, I'll take this opportunity to join the chorus of folks who've expressed their gratitude for the generosity with which the folks here share their time, expertise and skills. I never open this page but that I learn something awfully worthwhile (admittedly this may be damning with faint praise, coming from a rookie, but still ...)
Clay
You lucky dog! You are going to have such a great summer... Be sure to bring plenty of warm clothing, though, "summer" up here on the North Coast is going to seem like an Arctic winter to someone from Florida! Four Sisters' shop is a little inland, warmer than where I am; it probably gets all the way up into the 70s there. The shop has radiant floor heat, I think, so it's toasty warm no matter how cold and foggy outside. (That place is a palace, the Taj Mahal of woodshops.)
Send me a message when you get out here and we'll try to hook up."Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler." A. Einstein
http://www.albionworks.net
Congrats on letting us know who you are! and a Lawyer too,that,s a bonus!FG always gets things started in here! maybe others will pop is to say Hi to ya,but I am saying it first to ya!If nothing sticks to Teflon,how does Teflon Stick to metal. Huh
miami
Lawyer, huh! Be prepared to take a little ribbin' from time to time. Other than that, welcome aboard and feel free to file civil action when someone overloads on testerone or forgets their daily Prozac. he.. he...
Regards...
sarge..jtProud member of the : "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>)
Thanks Sarge,
Golly, you mean I might catch some flak just 'cause I'm a damlawyer? Boy, that'd be a first. ;)
Sure has been interesting, going from something at which I'd accumulated some expertise, to something so wholly new. Probably good for me somehow, to feel so deep-and-wide ignorant every ... single ... day.
AlbionWood, I know - lucky indeed. I will pack my 'warm clothes' (a scant and mixed bag there). I was there for July and August last year, and I think there were two days in those two months with a high over 72 degrees. After 30+ years of Miami summers, that's heavenly in my book. Of course, the weather is only the smallest part of the luck. The huge woodworking community there in and around Mendo/FB, with a combined population under 8,000 or so, has to be unique. Plus, as you say, Four Sisters is not exactly harsh duty. Do you know Harry and/or Les?
And, thanks to all for the warm welcome.
Clay
I only met Harry & Les on the shop tour last fall, they were very welcoming and seem like nice folks. How did you get hooked up with them?
You're going to love it up here. The proportion of artists/craftsmen in this community is astonishing. It's also fascinating to see how little people can get by on... a valuable trait for an artist!"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler." A. Einstein
http://www.albionworks.net
AW - Les had the extreme good taste to marry my mother. None of his (5) kids care about the wood shop, so I get to reap the considerable benefit - he's a great teacher. Hope we can get together this summer, looks like I'm going to rent a place right near the shop on Rasmussen. Is the Purple Rose (the Mexican place) in Albion?
Clay
I imagine most of the folks here saw the article, but so as not to puzzle anyone ...
Here's a link to FWW Four Sisters article in Adobe format -
http://www.foursisterswoodworking.com/dream_shop.pdf
and here's one to the shop's site -
http://www.foursisterswoodworking.com/4s_home.html
Welcome, Miami and Chobbs, to the boards and thanks for posting in this thread! It was pretty exciting to log in this morning and see several posts here. forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)Another proud member of the "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>)
i have been ww since junior high first thing i ever made was a shelf and then the bug cought me. so much so that by the time i graduated highschool my parents had no more room in their house for anything else so my brother had to make things for other people when he took shop. i then went of to architecture school and was not really able to build anything (hard to put a table saw in a dorm room) then i took modelbuilding and furniture design and introduced myself to the school wood shop. then my future wife and i moved in together off campus and i picked up a miter box and a benchtop tablesaw (all i could afford) but i managed to pick up a few more things and the things i build are getting better and better. since then my wife and i have had a kid i am finishing up school ( iknow: how long does it take to get a bachelors degree?) my shop is freezing cold and leaks but its a place to work.
FG,
I'm generally a lurker, but do post when I feel I can contribute. But I'm usually a day late for everything. I'm a graphic designer by day. The introduction of computers in our field has pretty much wiped out any kind of hand skills us old-timers may have had. Woodworking fills that void for me. I work in a postage stamp corner of my basement and usually do only a couple projects a year between fly tying and fishing, hockey, rehabbing the house, etc. My most recent was a dower chest for my daughter, which I did post pics of here. I live in Akron, OH.
Hi forestgirl
As a 73 year old retired Architect, I am finally getting back into woodworking. I enjoyed that hobby very much as a boy - but spent much of my free time during my working years to home projects and maintenance. Last year, though, I designed a rather odd-shaped, 530 sf shop with an adjoining carport. The shop sits near the edge of a small lake in Central Florida, and I have an 8' high x 12' wide sliding glass door looking out onto a wonderful lake view. A great place to work! The shop was completed a few months ago, and I now have it pretty well equipped with power tools. At my age it's a whole lot further down to the floor - and even further back up, so it will take me a long time to get everything constructed, organized and set up. Because I have no help, my first 'project' was the roll-off stand in the December '03 "Woodworker's Journal", and it has been a big help with the wall-mounted lumber racks I am now working on. My first major project will be a workbench. I have many questions to ask, and hope to learn much from this forum.
"The shop sits near the edge of a small lake in Central Florida, and I have an 8' high x 12' wide sliding glass door looking out onto a wonderful lake view." Aurrrrrgh! Wow! Year-'round woodworking with a view, I am so jealous! I lived in FL for 3 years when I was a kid. Is it safe to assume it's not as humid when you're clost to a lake?forestgirl Another proud member of the "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>) you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
No - not so, regarding the humidity - but you get used to it. The small lake is actually a 'has-been' phosphate pit in the shape of a lower case 'h'. I am inside the lower part of the 'h', and this morning we had around fifty water birds of various kinds. It truly is great.
By the way, I posted a question on a dust collection problem in the general discussion forum, and got three, almost immediate, responses that solved the issue. Looks like this will be a great place to learn.
"Looks like this will be a great place to learn." No doubt!forestgirl Another proud member of the "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>) you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
forestgirl, et. al:
I'm a basic beginner in the woodworking world. I have recently retired and am trying to learn what I can. I read a lot and ask a lot of questions. My subscription to Find Woodworking is a blessing.
I would like to try making a doll house for a friends little daughter. I cannot find plans. Any suggestions?
Cher
Welcome, Cher! Have you Googled for the plans?? I gave it a try, and the first results looked pretty good. Click here. I searched here on Knots and there weren't any hits, but some of the other forums might give you some relevant discussions. Drop me an email if you'd like some links!forestgirl Another proud member of the "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>) you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Hi All,
I'm Frank in Phoenix where it'll be a cool 65 degrees today. I'm a engineering technician working for a local utility for the last 28 years. I do acceptance testing on high voltage equipment 12kV and above as its installed or after maintenance.
My passion is woodworking and my family, not necessarily in that order. As time goes by I'm building up my tool collection so hopefully by the time I retire from my day time job I can build custom cabinets and furniture.
Welcome FX and Metod! Here's to New Members -- "Clink!"forestgirl Another proud member of the "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>) you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Hello all,
Thanks for the invite FG.
I may be the newest of newbies around here as far as working wood. I have only been at it for about 6 months. So far all I have really been making is picture frames, and I have been getting pretty darn good and creative with them if I can toot my own horn. I also have made one lamp out of lumber I have recovered from a pallet and old barnwood. I used box joints up the sides, capped the top with wormy chestnut, put a hemlock base on and wormy chestnut molding around the top and bottom. Looks good from a distance, just don't go inpecting those box joints to close, they are pretty sloppy. Oh well, it impressed my wife and family, cause like I said I am new to all of this.
For my picture frames, I have just completed my first attempt at an inlay, ever. I am attempting to make a frame framing a frame which is framing a picture. Two frames, one insde the other. THe middle one will be held in place by oak dowels, two dowels spaced equally on each side. 1 /12 space between the two frames. The outer frame is made of wormy chestnut with a maple inlay and the inner is a maple frame with a wormy chestnut inlay. I don't know how it will turn out but I thought it might be kinda neat looking when its done. we'll see.
As for myself, I live in Princeton, WV. I work as an electrician during the day. My uncle let me set up shop at his house since I live in an apartment. I do my all my "main work" at his house and then take it back to the apartment to be sanded and finished in the spare bedroom. I would like to try to make some money with my picture frames, but I don't think most people would pay me what they are worth considering the time they take to make and finish.
But anyway, I have rambled long enough someone else step up into the spotlight!
Rodney Wallace
Hey, Rodney, 'bout time you really gave us "the scoop" on yourself! <g> Sounds like you're off to a great start, and have lots of creativity to work with. Don't give up on selling those frames -- you'd be amazed how much people will pay for "just the right" one. Also, a great picture frame can become a great mirror, same story.forestgirl Another proud member of the "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>) you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Thanks for the encouragement FG. I would like to try them on e-bay first, but I think they wouldn't do so great because most everyone wants something for nothing. But frames are my favorite for now. I may even try to work up the courage to post some of them once I get a better camera.
Thanks ya'll
by the way, to add to my story about myself, I am 24 yrs old and have been married to a wonderful gal for about 2 1/2 yrs with a lil one on the way.
Rodney
I have been lurking for a few weeks myself. I grew up making period furniture with my Dad in North Carolina. After a few years of not much woodworking I have been really enjoying woodworking as much as I can. The tools are finally paying off according to my wife when I made a dresser for my 4 yr old daughter and currently making a "big boy" bed for my 2 yr old son. I have lots to learn and this forum has been incredibly helpful. I need it because I picked up my first paying job last week.
I am a construction superintendent in the Kansas City area, if anybody is nearby, give me a shout.
Cal
Cal,
You must be Ben's son? I used to see him at the Waterford (VA) craft fair.
Regards,
Ray
Ray,
Yes Ben Hobbs is my Dad and I hope a little fraction of his talent has rubbed off on me. He is pretty much my idol in most things in my life, including woodworking. Actually have always dreamed of moving back home and working together, but it hasn't happened yet or probably not anytime soon.
Dad has been doing well and has been offering furniture making classes once a month which have been well received. He advertises in FWW in the back classified section under instruction.
Cal
Cal,
Thanks for the update on your Dad, I haven't seen him in several yrs. Glad to hear he's doing well. Tell him Ray Pine said "hi", next time you talk to him.
Regards,
Ray
chobbs66
Welcome and where are you now? Glad to see you back on track with the WW. You will discover as those children get older you will need an outlet from teen-agers. he.. he...
Regards...
sarge..jtProud member of the : "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>)
Sarge,
I am in Kansas City (Kansas side) and have been here for 5+ years now. I have enjoyed the fact that WW has taken the place of my golf addiction. My wife allows the 45 min spurts I can be in my shop (garage) better than 6hrs away from home.
I hope the kids are with me in the shop when they are teens, that's where I was back then. Now when they are there its "watch your head!, Don't touch that!" etc.etc.
I probably won't be cool enough though to hang out with.
If you are ever in KC come see my meager setup (if I can move the tricycle, wagn, bicycle, mower, and 3 strollers out of the way).
CH
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