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   imcanadian | Jun 29, 2003 05:18pm | #1

   I assume from what you said that you glued the panel in place within the stiles and rails of the door. The only place glue should be used (if at all) is a small dot at the middle of the top and bottom of the panel, otherwise it won't be able to move with changes in humidity. There is also a product called "spaceballs" that sit in the rabbet and stop the panel from rattling around but still compress enough to allow for mavement. As for taking it apart; if you used that much glue I don't think you'll be able to save the stiles and rails but you can use the table saw to cut them from around the panel and save it.

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   Midnight | Jun 29, 2003 11:30pm | #3

   Hank & jb...

   I'm sorry... evidently I wasn't clear enough with my explanation

   The raised panels are fine... they float beautifully inside the rails & styles, but that's more to do with the quality of the Freud panel raising bit set than the skill of the operator.

   The mistake has happened when I've tried to attach the completed raised panel into the carcas of the unit, glued and biscuit jointed along it's inner / lower edges. I rather fancy you're right about being stuck with either living with the error or scrapping the rail and style affected.

   Mike

   Scotland

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   vacabby | Jun 29, 2003 09:04pm | #2

   Chances are that you will just break things by trying to get this assembly apart.   You will split the wood fibers before you break that adhesive bond.    Sounds like alot a glue'in go'in on there.    As Hank stated your best bet is probably to cut the stiles and rails away from the panel.   DO NOT fix the panel in place upon re-assembly.   Glue only in a couple of points or "space balls" are the trick.

   jb

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   Wateren | Jun 30, 2003 07:04pm | #4

   Since the pros aren't answering yet, here's a comment from a know-nothing: make the joint warm (hair dryer or gently with a heat gun) and maybe a little moist, this should help soften up the glue. Depending on geometry of the joint, an old clothes iron applied to the wood can help too (don't get into trouble, use an old one).

   Sounds like an ambitious project, let us know how it gets along.

   Good luck, Chris.

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   ownersrep | Jun 30, 2003 07:55pm | #5

   White vinegar worked for me after one of my (many) blonde moments. 

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   Midnight | Jul 03, 2003 01:04am | #7

   ummmmmmmmmmm..........

   just for the record....

   white wine vinegar doesn't cut it.....

   DON'T ask me how I know this.....

   <makes a note to go buy some vinegar MySELF next time....

   I'll try again tomorrow.....

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   ownersrep | Jul 03, 2003 06:04am | #8

   Thank you, I learned something.  I didn't come up with the fix, I just passed on what Stein had advised me when I had my problem.  I guess I just lucked out with what I had on hand (had a choice of wine or white and used the white hoping it wouldn't stain wood).  The regular white worked for me.  Like someone else said it didn't dissolve glue - just softened it and made it possible to pull the joint apart.

   Best,

   Jim

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   RW | Jun 30, 2003 11:33pm | #6

   Yup. You don't need anything else, just straight white vinegar and a way to get it to seep into the joint. It doesn't even take very long. It won't melt the glue for you but it will make it soft enough that you can pull the joint apart with just hand pressure. If you can't move it, it hasn't wicked into the joint enough yet. Just trickle some in there and try to set the thing so the fluid doesn't all run out right away. And open a window. Coffee is good too. Pour the vinegar, drink the coffee, and by the time your cup is empty your joint will be apart. Good luck.

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