The shop I started in the summer of ’03 (message number 9680.18) is pretty much complete. (I have to fix one really bad drywall seam). I’m in the process of building a version or Norm’s tool cabinet because there are no walls with enough space for a tool hanging board, besides, I don’t like peg board. I still don’t have a digital camera so can’t post pictures but I promise I will. My wife said it had to be “cute” and it is, a bit of stonework, three on three vinyl siding and a nice window arrangement (thus the no space for a tool board).
I’m planning on an Oneida dust collection system. Will the smallest of the JDS air cleaners take care of the circulating dust? Do you have to discard the bag filters with each fill or can they be emptied and reused?
I also need another shop vac. Are the Fein vacs worthwhile? I remember seeing one and thinking that they didn’t look like they were worth the money.
Don
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Congrats on the shop. I have a JDS airtech 2000 that does my 1000 sq. ft. very well. Whisper quiet at low speed, a force on high. The bags are washable and don't need it very often, once a year. I have the electrostatic filter and also use a charcoal on the back. I also have the Fein turbo III. I wish all my tools were as good. For a serious shop vac, I think they are the least expensive at $289. Very quiet and powerful, not blow out port, simple, elegant and functional. Comes with a long 2 1/2" hose, no tools. Most common shop vac tools fit. You can buy a Genie 1 1/4" hose at HD that will fit for small tools. The auto tool plug in is great. Weather proof, easy to pickup, easy to clean and rolls nice. Sears and Shop vac are not even in the same class with Fein, you won't be sorry.
I'm planning a new shop too. I think I will put everything behind closed doors just to try and keep dust from building on everything and hide clutter. Be safe and have fun.
Hammer, I got an unused JDS 2000 at an auction this summer, but haven't hung it up yet. Where did you put yours in relationship to various tools (esp. the table saw and band saw)?? How far up from the floor did you hang it?? From whence do you order your filters?forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)Another proud member of the "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>)
Forestgirl, I have my bag collector in the center of my most used tools, table saw, router table, joiner, etc. The runs stay on the floor and are short. Most of my mess stays in that area. Sort of a big square in the middle of the shop. I hung the JDS directly to 2x10 floor joists using four heavy screw in hooks, quite close to the collector. The fines that escape the bags are quickly picked up by the JDS. The JDS has some ring bolts. I can hook one side of the unit on the hooks and then lift up the other while turning the other hooks to engage the rings. It is about 6' 8" off the floor in my current shop and in a no walk zone. I bought the unit a few years ago from Toolcrib.com. They have filters but you may have to contact them. I have not had a need to change mine, I use the metal electrostatic filter and just vacuum it off. I also vacuum out the fabric bags. Both get washed once a year, maybe. The charcoal filter has probably lost much of its' punch but it still seems to work. If I'm spray painting I tape a disposable furnace filter over the electrostatic. I have the exhaust end pointing toward a little used area. I can easily reach the chain so I don't need a remote or switch elsewhere. I'm impressed with the unit. It has made a significant improvement in visible dust around the shop. There are those that may argue that, they put more invisible dust in the air and this is the dangerous stuff. Technically, we should all wear a good respirator too. I hook up most of my small tools to the Fein.
Seems to me that I've heard that the JDS should be hung from the ceiling on a side of a shop so that it will circulate air around the shop. I've got a forced air heater on one side and I'm thinking of putting the JDS on the opposite side to better circulate air around the shop.
I'm amazed at the layer of dust in the shop and, I suppose, my lungs even though I use a portable chip and dust collector when running my saw, planer, and jointer.
I think the worst offender in the shop is a sliding miter box with a fine tooth blade.
Thanks, Hammer, doesn't sound like I'll need to worry about replacing filters too much. I haven't pulled the unit out of its box yet, so don't know exactly what's inside!forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)Another proud member of the "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>)
Just came across this old post. I recently bought a air cleaner and haven't decided where to put it - hang it from the ceiling or mount it to a wall (about 6' off the floor). It seems the wall is the better option as this will pull dust away from me and possibly create a circulation within the shop. Just curious as to where you mounted yours. THANKS!!
Hi. I'm no air-flow guru, and I didn't have many options when mounting mine. Had to work around a woodstove, a lumber rack and cupboards, and still try and get the air flow right -- incoming sawdust and outgoing to the rest of the room without flowing across a dust-maker. Paid most heed to the table saw and drawing air away from the back of it, without that air going past me!
I ended up with it positioned on the ceiling, just off the left-hand side of my table saw (where the router table is mounted, as it turns out). You might be able to find some technical advice on-line about positioning an air filter (and yes, there will be those who say you shouldn't use one. Bah humbug, I say.)
The air comes out of the front at a pretty good clip. If you mount it on the wall, are there going to be cupboards or whatever that disrupt the flow of air?? There might be something on-line somewhere that gives some technical thoughts about positioning the air filter.
Ugly sketch in attachment gives you an idea of how the air moves in my shop.forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)Another proud member of the "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>)
Since I don't know how to address this to "anyone" yet, I'll address it to you. You have been most helpful in the past. Sort of like finding the anykey on this machine. I have been planning on mounting the air cleaner towards the center top of my new shop and ducting the cleaned air to both ends. I haven't really decided on the location of all the tools yet. Is this practical?
I've never heard of anyone "ducting" the outflow from their air filter, and am not so sure that's a good idea. I'll encourage you to find someone who has expertise in this whole air movement/filtering thing and see what they say.
On an intuitive basis, it just seems like you'd want the airflow to be smooth and continuous, and if you split the air stream, the dirty air will start going places you don't want it too. Also, I'd be concerned about the effect any smaller outlet ducting my have on the inflow of the unit.
Remember, the air filter isn't a cure-all, and nothing you do with the type of machines most of us buy for our shops will obviate (I love that word) the need for a mask when you're doing reallydusty work. It will, however, clean the air when your work is done and far less dust will be remaining in the shop after a quarter- or half-hour or so.forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)Another proud member of the "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>)
Oh, and addressing to "anyone" -- You can address to All by clicking on the down-arrow in the To: field at the top of the composition box when you reply to a post.forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)Another proud member of the "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>)
Forest Ya draw like my three year old Grandbaby! Love ya!Just funnin' Forest folks!
Even though mine hangs from the ceiling for space reasons, I believe that the best answer is that it should be at the level of your head, with the filtered air blowing toward you. For the reason that you want the fine dust particles to captured at the level you are breathing, not after they've drifted above your head. Also you want to blow towards you (not lose enough to disturb you. so that the dust has bene removed, not drawing the dusty air past your face. I don't have good reference for this, but I know I have seen persuasive discussion on the subject.
I've got mine hanging from the ceiling right above my workbenches. I moved it around a bit when I first moved in, and discovered that it's the best place to keep the dust away from me. What's really neat is that right around 2:00 PM, the light comes through the windows just right, and you can actually see the dust in the sunny gaze being sucked right into the opening of the air cleaner.
Merry Christmas,
Jeff
I had a 55' long shop w/ 10 1/2' ceilings and I used two aircleaners. They were hun to around 9' off the floor. The table saw was about in the middle and I placed one of them around 6-8' infront of the saw and the other about 6-8' behind the saw The intakes were facing each other and the exhaust was blowing to the ends of the shop. I han a work bench area approx. under each air cleaner. This seem to work great for me and it tended to keep both ends of the shop cleaner. By doing this, it kept dust from blowing in my face.
I also "had" (now Forest Girl has it) pellet stove and this helped in circulating the heat back down to the ground and through out the shop. sort of like having a ceiling fan in the middle of the room. Drawing the air up in the middle and pushing it down the side walls
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