I just bought a 12″ jointer, quite old, with a nameplate showing “American Woodworking Machinery , Rochester NY.” Did I correctly read that American merged with Yates to become Yates American in 1925, making this machine pre-1925? Does anyone have any information on this old machine? It is now a belt drive, but originally appears to have been a direct drive. About a 4.5″ dia. 3 knife cutterhead, 3hp, open bearings running in an oil bath. This was a bear to get down the basement.
The tables are in parallel plane to within .0015, and it is an amazing, wonderful tool. Runs basically without vibration, and very quiet.
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What ja pay for it? 220V? 3 phase?
I have to be satisfied with an 8 inch machine. I can't imagine being able to manhandle lumber on that machine big enough to justify having such cutting capacity. But, hey I can dream.
Rich
Single phase, but originally a three phase I am sure. As a belt drive, the motor is quite changeable. And the motor sits under the jointer, making it about 15 - 20" narrower, which was imortant for my shop. Cost was 2500, plus I paid the dealer to deliver it and set it up, which was well worth it since I have no experience with such a monster. To get it down the stairs, we had to drop off both tables and both wedges, the motor and the cutterhead. Just the pedastal, without the legs removed, was still 500-600 lbs or so. The whole Delta is only about 900 lbs.
It went back together better than when I inspected it. It had probably been moved about 20 times with a forklift between when it went out of service, and my purchase. So the disassembly and reassembly was the best thing that could have happened.
A new Delta 12" would have been 3500 or so, and the equivalent machine, a Northfield, about 10K or so.
I am able to get wide stock rather easily locally from Groff & Groff, so the 12" is great. Next time I think I ould go for a 16", but that would require an outside entrance to my basement.
And, imagine the look on my bride's face when I suggested that the laundry would do nicely in the detached garage.
Nice.
you are correct about the date. Does yours have babbitt or ball bearing? Mine is an 8", and has ball bearings. What a great machine, with a 7' bed.
It has ball bearings, new in fact. They run in an oil bath. The appearance is similar to yours. I note the box for chips under yours, and wonder if yours is a direct drive. Do you know where I can determine the age of this machine? Is there a web site with this information? Just curious about this old tool, I guess. It is the only vintage piece I have, but would add others when the need arises based on this one. The dealer I bought it from has an Oliver 2hp dedicated hollow chisel mortiser, foot operated. He wants $3750, which is spendy. He has restored it. He also has several Oliver bench saws, and was quite honorable in my dealings with him.
There is a bit of info on American and Yates-American at; http://www.oldwwmachine.com Look for Mfg. index. Somehow, and I don't remember where,I nailed mine down to 1920. I think I read that by 1920 babbitt was pretty much phased out of these machines. Here's the other side of the jointer.
Thanks for the info. And the pix. I see that your motor is slung under the outfeed table. Mine is floor mounted. Is that a power twist belt? I have one on my bandsaw and it works well. I added that when I kicked up the hp to 1.5 on a Delta 14" with riser block. My jointer motor has a double belt pulley. I'm thinking of increasing the pulley size on the motor to increase the cutterhead speed to about 5000 rpm. Any thoughts on this?
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