Hi, all of you. mi question is if I can use a cabinet (or gabinet) scraper (the Stanley, the black one) instead sand paper. I have a lot to sand and….. you know. I saw do this job whit a HAND scraper, but never whit a cabinet one, why? I don`t know.
If I do the job whit the cabinet one, need I to use sand paper (very fine grits) before apply some finish?
Sorry for my English, but it will be bether
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Di me si prefieres que yo hablar en Espanol. I usually sand to 120 then use the scraper. If you really have a lot of sanding, like a kitchen worth, power sanders are a lot faster.
Pardon my spelling,
Mike
Make sure that your next project is beyond your skill and requires tools you don't have. You won't regret it.
Thanks a lot Mike. I prefer training my English, but when I´ll don`t know how to said something, I know I`ll can say it in Español to you.
Thanks again, your opinion is welcome to me, I go now to scraping some gabinets.
Happy woodworking
Wow, you impress me. Anyone who tries to learn English (or any other language for that matter) is a hero in my book...you should hear my spanish lol.
Ditto here, Ryan. I'd give anything if I'd learned a second language as a youngster. Once you've learned one addition language, it's so much easier to keep adding on! The brain stays more flexible. forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Hi forestgirl. no matter how old you are. Yes it's more easy to learn as a youngster, but the brain it's like a muscle, and when you really want something because you love it, you got it.
I like that the forest and the girl
Sergio
It's not so difficult when you really want (really want) to learn something. Yes Español is more difficult to learn, there are so many berbs!!!
Thank you RyanC
Mike, I'm curious (as Argentinian is above) about whether it's possible to substitute the Stanley #80 (pic below) for a hand scraper. Whadya think? What differences might be apparent with the resulting surfaces?
View Image forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
I haven't used that scraper but I did borrow the Lie Neilson version that is larger and uses a full sized blade for a couple months. It cut faster, but it seemed I had to sharpen (fix the burr) way more often. I think it was because I tended to work it harder but more than that the fixed angle doesn't allow you to change the angle as the burr deforms.
With a hand scraper I find that I constantly search for the sweet spot so I can get those perfect shavings, which is a good thing. The fixed blade doesn't allow for that. I also try to get the most from my burred edges by using the left and right sides after the middle gets "dull". The fixed blade only allows you to use the center of the burr, which wears out fast. By left and right side I do not mean the sides of the scraper but the "not middle" part of the burr. With the hand scraper I can also subtly change the bend to vary the width or aggressiveness of the cut.
What sucks big time about the scraper is that it hurts my hands after a short time. I should probably round the top side to prevent the corners from digging in, but I like to use both sides to cut with. I'd say if you have put in some time learning the ways of the scraper (it takes a while) and still think it is too difficult, then try the plane version. Also Veritas makes a scraper holder tool that allows for free hand use but flexes the blade for you and gives a nice "handle". I haven't tried it, but it looks good.Pardon my spelling,
Mike
Make sure that your next project is beyond your skill and requires tools you don't have. You won't regret it.
The Veritas scraper holder is great. Among other things, it allows you to use a pull stroke, which can be useful on occasion.
Mike, help is on the way, I think it was posted somewhere earlier on thr forum but the new scraper insert I designed is going to be available soon. I introduced the tool at a recent MWTC-A meeting and the response was outstanding. The new adjustment mechanism will make adjusting and finding the "sweet" spot a piece of cake. I am in the process of writing a tutorial on fixed body scrapers and how to sharpen, install and adjust a scraper plane ,keep tuned to http://www.hamlertools.blogspot.com for info. There is a link to a review of the scraper insert on the blog.
Paul
Nice work on your site!. You should consider breaking it up into pages. That was a looong scroll.
I didn't see what you were refering to.Pardon my spelling,
Mike
Make sure that your next project is beyond your skill and requires tools you don't have. You won't regret it.
Go to blog archives on right of screen click on" 25 years of scrapers", near the end of this post there is a hyperlink for product review. Or go here http://www.woodworking-magazine.com/blog/Convert+A+Handplane+Into+A+Scraper+With+New+Tooling.aspx
Paul
Hi Argentinian,
I never use the scraper after sanding because the sanding particles left after sanding blunt your scraper blade.
scrape first and then sand with 180-grit and then 240 for a nice finish.
And I do speak 3 languages unfortunately no Spanish. And computers have a very good spell checker.
Greetings from Bernhard.
Argentinian,
I case you have not seen this....http://www.taunton.com/finewoodworking/SkillsAndTechniques/SkillsAndTechniquesArticle.aspx?id=5299The #80 can be used almost the same way as the hand scraper
thanks Bg, that's a great answer, I never saw the video, I learn a lot of it
Thanks a lot bernhard, your information and experience is very valuable and useful to me. I`m working like a very valuable cabinetmaker here, thanks the thigs I learned by Finewoodworking magazine and people like you who take time to answer that I question. I learned your language by te same.(still learning)
I will do that you said because after scraping I noted that the surface is not all the polished I like befor apply some finish
Thaks again Bernhard, sorry for my spelling.
I really don't like sanding. It's dirty, loud, and I'm not fully convinced it's any faster. I usually use the smoothing plane, followed by the cabinet scraper (if necessary), or a hand scraper for small areas. If I want to take it a little further I'll lightly sand at 180 then 220. I rarely go more than that.
I use the Veritas Cabinet Scraper on flat surfaces, and the hand scraper on localizer areas on irregular surfaces.
Thanks for your opinion. I don't like sanding too. but, like you said, after scraping its only a little sanding and whit high grits, that way its not so hard. Thanks
English is not difficult to learn - even the children here can speak it.
(old joke).
Actually, they're bilingual. They speak american and a little english.
(another old joke)
Ja! good joke
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