Our “Classifieds” — Prices or auctions?
forestgirl
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I’ve noticed in the last few weeks we seem to be getting best offer ads or make me an offer ads in the classifieds section. How do y’all feel about this? I’ve always expected sellers to post the price they want for an item rather than essentially running an auction here at Knots.
forestgirl — you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can’t take the forest out of the girl 😉
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I agree with you, forestgirl. That's kind of being a little "snake-like" if they don't post the price. Everyone knows what it's worth, and they should too. If they want to do an auction and find the best bidder to get another $20 they ought to be on E-bay.
"If they want to do an auction and find the best bidder to get another $20 they ought to be on E-bay." Thank you for stating that, it was in my mind but I didn't want to start off combative.
I think of Knots as a group of likeminded friends (when it comes to woodworking anyway). If I was at a tavern with a group of friends and wanted to announce one of my tools, or a car, or whatever, was now for sale, I would not say "Hey, guys, I'm gonna sell the Unisaw (drill press, car, whatever). Start bidding, best offer takes it!"forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)Another proud member of the "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>)
It's obvious that you haven't grown up in a town that has a high mennonite population. I grew up in Morden, Manitoba, Canada. The only thing you didn't make an offer on was your meal at the restaurant. If you are buying anything over $100 it is fair to ask for some money off, or for them to throw in something else on the deal. In most cases you would get 10-15% off. It is a great system. Any classified ads have the price and obo behind it. When you go to purchase an item at a private sale you always offer 25% less than asking price, and then work your way up from there.
Derek
"Any classified ads have the price and obo behind it." That's my point -- these posts don't have any price in them, just "best offer takes it" or the like. Kinda irritating, IMHO. I'm not making any kind of point here about making counter-offers as you describe above.
forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)Another proud member of the "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>)
Edited 1/5/2006 1:30 pm by forestgirl
I understand what you are saying. It is annoying because you will offer them $100 for their router table and they will respond by saying that it is not reasonable...
Derek
Annoying from a buyers' view, but consider the seller's dilemma - absent a 'book' value that is generally accepted as a fair price, just how do you arrive at a market value? The only way is to go to the market, which is what these guys are doing.
If you travel in Asia, and shop at night markets in for example Thailand or Malaysia, traders will always want you to make the first offer. Their best price may be way below yours, so why start with theirs?
It's a dilemma!
Malcolm
The thing you don't like is having to know what the item is worth.It is easier if the seller names a price.Don't tell me you don't haggle before purchase.It just takes more nerve to go in cold.As a seller I have found that getting a purchaser to open,often brings in more money and that is the point of selling.Remember there is nothing classy about classified ads. ;-)
Edited 1/5/2006 6:35 pm ET by jako17
It's interesting to hear others' ideas about this. I don't have any problem with hard-nosed commerce -- I am in retail, after all, and used to be an antiques dealer, so you know I'm not a softie. I just don't care for that "make me an offer, I'll take the best one" approach here at Knots or in any woodworking forum. Especially with eBay readily available.forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)Another proud member of the "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>)
Jamie
For what it's worth, I agree with you. I'll sell that way to 'strangers', but not to my woodworking pals!
Jeff
As I have stated many times " Who left you in charge of Knots" If you don't like the way an item is listed "FOR SALE", don't read the classified section. Your constant wine about about the use of this PUBLIC forum is getting very old. May I suggest you start your own site, then you cane be the master of your domain and impose your rules of procedure. Stop worrying about people crossing the T and dotting the I.Your Knots woodworking buddy
DJK
Hey DJK:
Take a bit of your own medicine here. Your posts reveal a distinct dislike for Forestgirl. If you don't like what Forestgirl has to say, don't read her posts. You don't eat food you don't like, do you?
I know you have the right to comment, blah, blah, blah. But look up the word hipocrisy before you respond.
Thanks from a fellow woodworker.
Michael
But look up the word hipocrisy before you respond.
"Hypocrisy" will be more productive, though. ;-)My goal is for my work to outlast me. Expect my joinery to get simpler as time goes by.
Don't read her posts! One can't avoid them, there everywhere you look. I don't dislike FG, how could I, I don't know her. I dislike her posts and the constant nagging about the way other people use this forum.DJKPS: I get a chuckel form many of her posts, why would I avoid them.
I think proper classified etiquette is what the gripe is about. Best offer is a real turn off for most buyers. And I agree that if you don't know where to start then just do a little research first. Everyone has some idea what they want for an item otherwise how will they know when that "best offer" has been reached. If it's a Unisaw and he only gets 3 offers and the best one is mine at 50.00 then is he going to tell me mine was the best offer? I think not. In reality he is doing what we call "fishing", usually hoping to get more than he paid for it or at least what he paid for it. I've been buying and selling for over 30 years and "best offer" has never been to my benefit and usually it's been a seller trying to squeeze every penny out of an item.
You best check the "WANTED" ad in Classified. They are looking for lumber and didn't state what they are willing to pay.DJK
I guess that means the "seller" sets the price. I rest my case.
My Posts: you dislike them so much that you whine loudly about them, but then again you get a chuckle out of them. Here, this might help, it's easy and painless.
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Edited 1/6/2006 11:31 pm by forestgirl
Michael, you posted my thoughts down exactly.I believe this fella has whined about Forest Girl before.One more anti FG post and I'm gone to use the option menu and delete this guy.
mike
I want to second your comments. Couldn't have said it better.
Wow, what kinda burr you got in your behind this morning, dude?forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)Another proud member of the "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>)
I was surprised by the rude tone of one partecipant. Surprised because I think your contributions to the Forum have been very helpful, to the mark and displayng very good knowledge.
I would like to encourage you to continue to put your valuable.02.
John Cabot
Hi, John, where have you been? I remember you from absolute eons ago! What have you been up to WWing-wise these days??forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)Another proud member of the "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>)
Dear Jamie,
I actually have continued to read the forum almost daily but did not write comments since as a retired physician I pursue woodworking as a hobby sometime succefully, other times with frustration. With so many professional woodworkers who have dedicated an entire life to the craft I feel I better let those with so much more experience provide advice and expert opinion. I believe you are among them, your partecipation enriches the forum, so keep on going.
From rural Maryland
John Cabot
Establishing value and haggling are delicate issues in the American culture. I now live in the Midwest, and many people here seem to have a distinct distaste for haggling, or at least are uncomfortable with it. Curiously though, when it comes to yard sales (the main way of getting rid of your junk around here), it is the universal custom. If something is priced at $1, every would be buyer will open the discussion at .$50.I lived in NYC for some 20 years, and haggling is a way of life in that culture. I actually came to enjoy it, and looked forward to the repartee that led up to a sale. The dialogue is often a useful way to gauge how motivated the seller is to unload the item in question. So if people want to put things in the classified section here without a price, I am not bothered by that at all. Because no price has been stated, I get to be the one to put a value on it, and if the selling party is somehow offended by my valuation, well, that's just ridiculous.********************************************************
"It is what we learn after we think we know it all, that counts."
John Wooden 1910-
Hi John, I appreciate the compliment, but want to clarify that I am pretty new to woodworking, and though I've made a little money at it, I've yet to reach a level I would consider "professional." I think people of all levels can contribute to others here at Knots, and I encourage you to toss in your .02 once in awhile. Oh! and post in the gallery too!forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)Another proud member of the "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>)
Doc, contribute whatever you like. I am a retired carpenter and cabinetmaker, many posts from so called non professionals are informative posts. When I retired I thought about taking up practicing medicine for a hobby, but after my third fatality I went back to woodworking.
Enjoy your retirement John, you deserve it.
mike
I have posted twice in the classifieds and in general discussions...one bite, now here you are bemoaning that someone did not put a firm price out there. What difference does it make to you if you are not interested in the first place? You seem to act as they are taking up your space in either posting. If you are not interested then do not purchase, if not going to purchase quit complaining about the way someone posted "their" ad!
Go get'em ForestGirl. I had an old fart try that on me one time when I had approached him about buying a couple of really rundown that I wanted to scrape off. The land was adjacent to my shop and I really wanted it. He was interested but refused to name an opening price, wanted me to set a price. I figured that he thought perhaps I was a rich gringo who didn't know better and would start out high. Could not get him to open so I walked away. Bought the 1 dump next door last year for to much (my opinion), it has gone bye-bye. Soon to be an addition on my shop.
DJK,
Watch out for the backlash! I can hear it now...By the way, this thread is a great example of a worthwhile woodworking discussion! Gotta love Knots these days!!
Matthew,now you are in love, yet not so long ago your post #33673.13 told all that you were signing off knots as soon as possible i.e with urgency.Am I to learn new meaning to the word "fickle"?Philip Marcou
philip,
Unlike some others in the new Knots, I'll actually respond to a direct question. Yes, I am acting rather fickle here, as I sincerely plan to stop posting. I guess I just felt this discussion was just too close to my own situation.I was actually out of Knots for some time, and drawn back in by some obnoxious attacks.But yes, I do plan to be out of here soon!
Edited 1/23/2006 9:14 am ET by MatthewSchenker
Wow DJK, kinda got your gym shorts in a bunch there. If you re-read the post by FG:
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I've noticed in the last few weeks we seem to be getting best offer ads or make me an offer ads in the classifieds section. How do y'all feel about this? I've always expected sellers to post the price they want for an item rather than essentially running an auction here at Knots.
Sounds like she is just making an observation and looking for some comments on the subject.
Really I don't give a hoot if someone wants to sell an item as an auction, but I do like to have a starting point. "Make me an offer" ok one dollar, "oh no that's not enough" well give me a #$%*&^ place to start. I guess there are opportunistic people all over and hopeing one guy will say "sure I'll give you x amount" which is way more than it's worth.
Jeff
Edited 1/20/2006 1:48 pm ET by jeffwoodwork
Not sure what your point is. I did read her post and responded to it.DJK
You leave yourself open to your own criticism. As in, "who put you in charge of monitoring who else thinks they are in charge?"
Alan - planesaw
It amuses me that the asking of a question, seeking others' opinions, or expressing one's own opinion traslates to someone "thinking they are in charge."forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)Another proud member of the "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>)
The way we string words together can display an attitude -- positive, neutral, or negative. Forestgirl, I don't ever recall interpreting much of anything you have said as being "spoken" with a sarcastic or negative attitude.
Although I don't recall any particulars, I probably haven't agreed with everything you have ever said, but I don't recall ever feeling "attacked" by you.
I have come on strong a couple of times, but my focus was not on the person, but on what was happening. There is a big difference. Generally, a person can disagree strongly without attacking the other person.
It is a simple decision, do you want your words to attack the person, or disagree with the position?
I have known and read FWW since it was first published. I have been on Knots for about the past 3 years or so, and some prior to that.
Is it my imagination, or are their more posts that are simply people talking about other people instead of wood?
Have fun,
Alan - planesaw
"Is it my imagination, or are their (there) more posts that are simply people talking about other people instead of wood?" I think what you're probably noticing is the intrusive nastiness of this particular little cadre. (emphasize the adjective "little"). Kinda like the one guy in a full baseball stadium that can be heard persistently blowing his horn (what team is that anyway? Drives me nuts when that's the TV game of the week). Best thing in the long run truly is to ignore them -- then they end up talking only to themselves.
"Generally, a person can disagree strongly without attacking the other person." Such a simple thing, really, isn't it? My guiding principle (though you wouldn't want to hear what I say when watching CNN, LOL. I can get quite "sarcastic and negative" then!).forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)Another proud member of the "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>)
Forestgirl,
Thanks for correcting my typo. I get to typing fast and frequently use their in place of there.
Takes two to argue (although I am capable of arguing with a fence post). I think I am going to simply quit responding to people's gripes about other people. Gonna' focus on wood. Life is too short to waste on meaningless griping (sp?).
Alan - planesaw
"I get to typing fast and frequently use their in place of there." I know exactly what you mean -- I do the same thing (with several different words) and the older I get the more often it happens.
See ya 'round!forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)Another proud member of the "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>)
Not sure what your point is, your not making sense with your statement.I said "As I have stated many times " Who left you in charge of Knots" If you don't like the way an item is listed "FOR SALE", don't read the classified section. Your constant wine about about the use of this PUBLIC forum is getting very old. May I suggest you start your own site, then you cane be the master of your domain and impose your rules of procedure. Stop worrying about people crossing the T and dotting the I."So start with the criticism, Alan-planesaw.DJK
DJK,
That is not suprising -- that you don't understand. (And, that is not a put-down.) I earn my income based on human behavior. Many times people who disagree, particularly with attitude, are not even coming close to communicating. They hear the words the other person is saying, but they are on completely different levels, or planes.
One person wants to haggle on the stated price -- another would think it rude or improper to do so. Two people are just starting from different points of view. And, you won't get them to change easily. And, frequently, they can't even begin to understand how the other person could believe what they believe.
From my perspective, I log on to Knots to learn something about wood or finishing or construction, not to deal with petty gripes people have about each other and the way someone says something, or the way they interpret what the other person is saying.
Back to the wood --
Alan -- planesaw
WOW, thank you for the online psycho annalists. It's evident I need to go back to university and obtain higher education. You must be at the top of your profession to be able to analize my personality from a couple of typed paragraphs.You stated "From my perspective, I log on to Knots to learn something about wood or finishing or construction, not to deal with petty gripes people have about each other and the way someone says something, or the way they interpret what the other person is saying."If this is true, why then did you did you send me a message and engage in this thread.DJK
Edited 1/25/2006 3:33 pm ET by DJK
D, old chap, ---- just can't resist this one: you say "thank you for the online psycho ANNALISTS". Hopefully you intended to put two n's in there, and you just mis-spelled the word "analyst"?
I'm not commenting on the university part, for fear of being relegated to the ranks of the cyber poster assassins, who have been active of late.
Please forgive me.Philip Marcou
You are correct about the spellin. I'm a carpenter/cabinet hack.DJK
No worries D-I'm more glad you didn't cut up rough.Philip Marcou
DJK,
Just as an experienced woodworker who knows his work and the woods he uses might know that white oak ((Quercus alba) has a finer texture than red oak; that quarter sawn white oak lumber has dramatic medullar figured called fake/tiger oak; that white oak heartwood is decay resistant and suitable for exterior uses; and has good turning and steam bending qualities -- without seeing the particular piece of oak s/he is going to use -- I can know a lot about a person by what he or she says or does. People have patterns of behavior, just like everything thing else in nature.
And, yes, I am wondering why I even jumped in on this thread. So, with that, I am out.
Alan - planesaw
Ahhhh, cr*p. This thread has barely been breathing for several days now, and you've gone and done not only CPR on it, but a heart transplant. That one was good for another 90 posts at least. Wheeeeeeee!
forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-) Do unto others as you tell them they should do unto you....
Edited 1/27/2006 4:54 pm by forestgirl
Actually FG it's in your advantage to make an offer.
There is a cognitive brain processing "error" we are wired with. Once we are given an idea/number, we "ANCHOR" on that idea/number. THen it is very hard to de-anchor us.
For example, when you go to a car dealer and see the sticker price on the window, you become "Anchored" on the number. Now you have to negotiate from the point the dealer defines. The recommended advice for buying a car now a days is to determine how much you want to pay, then make that offer without being influenced by the dealer's sticker price.
This turns the tables, now the dealer has to work to raise your offer instead of you working to lower his offer.
When I negotiate to buy anything, I always try to make the first offer and anchor the other side to my idea of the value.
Most recently, I bought a new car at below dealer invoice (Honda Odyssey) I went to the dealer with their online offer and an online offer from a Toyota dealer (Sienna). The sienna Invoice was about $800 lower than the Honda. I used the toyota invoice as my starting number and got the honda dealer to lower his price by $600 (I really tried to get the additional $200 but couldn't :-)
So if someone does not set a price, do your homework, find out how much you want to pay, then make an offer based on your value - anchor them before they anchor you...
Mark
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Well, since I'm selling somthing as "best offer" I'll add my 2 cents.
I'm trying to get rid of my fasttrack bandsaw fence. Nothing wrong with it, just doesn't do it for me. I don't care how much I sell it for, really, It just seems a shame to just throw it in the trash when someone else could get some use out of it.
Q: Why not sell it on ebay?
A: I like you guys. I want someone here to get a good bandsaw fence for a cheap price.
Q: Why say "Best offer"?
A: Good question. Realistically, I should have put "FIRST offer gets it regardless of price". That way it's not an auction, right?
Q: Why not just put a price on it?
A: Because I don't care what I get for it. Maybe there's some starving woodworker out there who can only afford $10. By all means, if he writes and says "I'm broke, I can only afford $10" then it's his. Furthermore, if a millionaire calls me and says "That thing isn't worth a penny over $22.50", then by God, he can have it for that.
Q: Don't "Classifieds" in the newspaper often sell things as "OBO"? just like this "Classified" section?
A: My goodness. Yes they do.
So if anyone wants a bandsaw fence, come and get it. First come, first serve.
Best offer ;)
http://forums.taunton.com/fw-knots/messages?msg=33505.1
Kevin
It's the first O in OBO that makes the difference. The first O is "or" meaning a price has been stated like 20.00 OBO(Or Best Offer). I personally just don't care for the adds that state Best Offer. But by all means do what you see fit. I'm just one person offering an opinion. Good luck with your sale. By the way, for your situation, first offer over 10.00 would've gotten you some offers. This ploy at least gives the buyer an idea of what the seller is looking for as a minimum.
In my humble experience. When you put a price of "free", you get very few inquiries. Readers think it is junk and don't give it another thought. If you put a moderate price, then you get all kinds of inquires from those who try to bargain with you.
Turff-Both points very well taken. It's the first time I tried to sell somthing here.Thanks,
Kevin
FG
Like you I have a pretty good background in antique auctions, been to so many that I couldn't count them.
I don't like the "make an offer" deal either, to me, and not trying to suggest to anybody what they're trying to do with their adds, it appears that they don't know what its worth so they're trying to maximize there potential for $$$, or afraid that they may sell to cheap.
I've seen auctioneers that are afraid they may sell something cheap so they have there tricks to "maximize there potential for the $$$.
I usually ignore the adds that don't state an amount. I'm not going to bid on a classified add, I go to e-bay for that.
Doug
Hi I know that when I see anything advertised with a make me an offer price,I ignore it completly,unless it is something I REALLY want.So say what you want for it and if it's in my price range then we can deal.If you don't know the value,due a little research.Oh yes as to forestgirl stick to your guns as I am with you.As for the not so nice remarks from some,well I thought this forum was to exchange idea's and to help other folks out with FRIENDLY advice.I know as for me I have been into woodworking for a very long time,but still have picked up some usefull info in this forum and I would like to thank all contributors.
Ken
Edited 1/17/2006 8:57 pm ET by woodsmanplus
Hi Ken, thanks. As for what's-his-face, I've had him on Ignore for so long, I can barely remember his name, not to worry.
"woodsmanplus" -- tell us a little about your handle! No info in your profile, where do you hang out?forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)Another proud member of the "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>)
Thanks.Have to do that profile thing one day.Well I am retired.We live in Tampa fl from nov until april 1st then we have a cabin up in Cherokee NC thats where I do most of my woodwork.I met this beautifull lady about four years ago and have been in heaven ever since.I have been working with wood for about 40 plus years off an on,done a bunch of other stuff too.I started doing it as a hobby about ten years ago making you name it stuff.If they wanted it I would make it,but then I started making custum one of a kind jewelry boxes,but I have been interested in turning for a while now and will be getting my first lathe in feb.Well gotta go now.Talk to you later.
Ken
Fla and NC, two of my childhood stomping-grounds. NC is where the "forestgirl" persona comes from -- Grandaddy retired and had a gentleman's farm, where I used to fish, feed the chickens and pick ticks off the hound dogs, LOL (a 7-year-old will do anything!) Fla. was a 3-year stint a little later on.
One sister and her husband retired back in NC, wanna drag my husband back there for a visit after he retires (3 months to go!).
Enjoy the lathe -- I hear they are addictive! We've got some helpful turners around here.forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)Another proud member of the "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>)
Hi fg
I've been enjoying your posts for quite some time, and in the spirit of friendliness, just wanted to throw in my $.02 in your support.
Your point on the ads is certainly reasonable, and whether I or anyone else agrees with you or not is immaterial. Your contributions are most welcome. Keep 'em coming
The various views expressed, were really quite interesting...
Ken
Edited 1/18/2006 11:15 am ET by kenwerner
As someone who's posted items for sale on this site, I don't see anything wrong with someone offering a "best offer" scenario. For one, that's the entire basis of ebay, a recognized successful format.
I think opposition to this scenario (not including FG, who appears to be above board at all times) comes fro those whose intent it to beat the price down as far as they possibly can, with the outcome that you hopefully "cheat" the seller into a rapacious price. Each time I tried to sell stuff here, I received "offers" that were nothing but utterly insulting, and far, far below "standard" pricing for the items.
I was in sales for quite some time, and I was always completely and often "painfully" truthful with my accounts. I was always convinced this was the formula for long term success.
But there exists among a large portion of the population, the perception that selling AND buying is based on the "I'll lie to you, and you'll lie to me" proposition.
And let me ask the forum members who sell their work - do you give a price to the client and then expect them to start bargaining you down?
Each time I tried to sell something I researched the standard pricing for it via retailers sites and offered a price at or BELOW that bf price structure.
And I can't help but comment that the petty, childish comments I've seen on this thread are all to common here, and why I generally don't post here anymore.
(That last comment ought to bring 'em out of the woodwork, so to speak)
"Each time I tried to sell stuff here, I received "offers" that were nothing but utterly insulting, and far, far below "standard" pricing for the items." Hey, whadya expect -- they need some kind of profit margin when they turn it over on eBay, ROFL!!! Just kidding (sorta). I like the ""I'll lie to you, and you'll lie to me" description, too funny.
When I moved up to the Northwest, I decided to try working for real money for a change, and took an inside sales job with a #1-in-its-field company. Got several thousand dollars worth of extensive sales training. Hated the job, went back to medical research, but the training has been quite useful over the years. I can weave and bob -- spotting every effort a salesperson makes and deflect each one. Mostly, though, I just walk away.
"...the petty, childish comments I've seen on this thread are all to common here, and why I generally don't post here anymore." Completely understandable, though I'd encourage you to ignore them and find places to converse. (eventually, they'd only be talking to themselves, right?) There are dozens of good threads going on here at Knots right this minute. I'm getting the impression there are quite a few new, but experienced-in-woodworking, members -- maybe in response to the ads in FWW -- and activity is booming.
January seems to be a "wood month" -- we've got threads going on Pecky Cypress, Peruvian Walnut, sugar pine, prepping a burl, moonshine barrels(!) and holly. We've got more turning topics than I remember ever seeing; carving too. In the Projects section, folks are looking for plans for everything from your basic tool-carrying box to one of those fold-away computer armoires (that's a challenge!), a shaped mirror frame and the Ultimate Baby Cradle.
That's only two of the 6 forums! Plenty of woodworking to discuss here, for sure. Just ignore the BS that's going on in those other two or three threads, help us out with this other stuff, please <g>!!forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)Another proud member of the "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>)
Yeah - it was pretty clear to me that they were "turn around and sell it" offers. It irks me when people assume I have the mental capacity of a parakeet with a closed head injury.
Board, keep on posting-why be put off by a few turkeys?Philip Marcou
Phillip - I appreciate our thought, however I have a specific outlook on woodworking forums. Since it's a full time job for me, I look at forums as a business resource - I'm soley interested in the technical aspect. Techniques, problem solving, new ideas - that's what I'm looking for.
Now I'm not denigrating people who use the forums as somewhat of a social outlet, because I have my own non-woodworking sites where I do the same. It's the interjection of non-technical elements that puts me off. Knots is by no means as bad as Woodnet when it comes to "personal" issues taking up space. I just don't feel like scrolling through non-essential stuff to get what I'm looking for.
Saw Mill Creek is my personal favorite - straight up woodworking info only. Plus the people who post there are more of a "professional" type, and also polite and friendly.
BoardmanWI,
Yes, the problem is that Knots is now largely consumed with the non-woodworking stuff. The most active participants spend most of their time here on matters that would be better on a socialization board! And if you look at the discussions with the highest number of posts, they are generally non-woodworking discussions.But this problem stems from the fact that there are no longer that many true woodworking profesionals here. So the result is pretty predictable.
Edited 1/23/2006 10:09 am ET by MatthewSchenker
Board, could you give me the web address for Saw Mill Creek?Philip Marcou
http://www.sawmillcreek.org/index.php?
Hey Jamie
I just noticed that this thread is still going. I meant to chime in a few days back. Please don't let that miserable mope keep you from throwing up your .02 around here. Your original post and comments were proper, and were done with class. Whoever "that guy" is, his/her comments were lacking both. He's the kind of goof "we" used to skate out to center ice and drop the gloves with, and I wish I could do so for you now.
Jeff
Jeff buddy:My comments were also proper and done with class. Sorry you didn't care for them. Be assured I wont lose any sleep over what you think.DJK
Forestgirl and her comments can too get under my skin, not that she may not on occasion know what she is talking about, but that she, like a politician, has to interject on most subjects. I try to read each post found here just to see what is for the taking, but! I find the camps divided between those that think some are Gods and what they say is gospel and those who enjoy trying to think difficulties out themselves. Only after trying do they ask the wise, not the know it all's
As for their ".02cents" that is just about what it is worth. So DJK....there are a some out here that get tired of all the "I have a the right idea" attitudes.
Guess I will be the next to be ignored, deleted, or heckled by them.
I also find it interesting that she herself admits to being a "DEALER" I have never had a "Dealer" come into my shop NOT wanting discounts just because they are "Dealer" even though I have a Very clear price posted. Tell me Forestgirl you never tried to get a cheaper price even with a firm price listed.
Edited 1/22/2006 3:02 pm ET by Vietvet67
Edited 1/22/2006 5:25 pm ET by Vietvet67
Dear Sir: I did not "admit" to being a dealer. I was a dealer -- in used furniture and antiques, some collectibles, years ago. You know absolutely nothing about what my moral compass was when it came to being a dealer. You say (write) "admit" as if it's akin to admitting being a thief and a drug dealer. There's a gamut of dealer behavior, the same as there's a gamut of behavior in most professions. Jeez you guys whine alot.forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)Another proud member of the "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>)
I spoke not of your moral compass but of your actions as a Dealer! As I stated and will not wavier from," I have Never had a dealer enter my shop and not ask for a discount just because they were a dealer" Are you telling me you have never done so? If you can without hesitation you are THE exception to dealers shopping. As for us whining, these guys treat you like the truckers treat women they hear on the CB, instant love. We whine and you are a Wanttobe....which is worse? My whining or your desire to show how much you know or are able to stick your ".02cents" into every subject?
Watch it Vietvet, you are about to feel the wrath of the Forestgirl groupies, and you will probably get yourself banned from Knots if you don't treat her nicely!! Whatever you and I might say or feel, Forestgirl has become the official voice of Knots. I'm not going to render a judgement on that right now. I'll let others weigh in on the implications of that fact.
Edited 1/22/2006 5:35 pm ET by MatthewSchenker
Banned? Am I suppose to now ask for your groupieness forgiveness? You need to ask if I give a poop....as I will reply my giveapooper is broke...I have been a member as long as you and forestgirl, I have 8 post, you have around 38, she has 333+. To quote her, NUF SAID
Hey, I'm on your side man. I've already been banned for not playing nicey nice with Forestgirl!
You have my sincerest apologizes...I was informed by DJK of the bad taste in your mouth due to FG. Just goes to show there are a few people out here that do not suffer fools too well.
No problem. In this atmosphere, who can make heads or tails of anything!
Glad to see this discussion is goooing strong.DJK
I'll relay to you exactly what I would say when browsing in another dealer's store: "What is your policy on dealer-to-dealer sales?" I never found a store that had anything posted like you're talking about.
What this has to do with anything, I have no idea, but you asked, so there is the information. You greatly exaggerate my presence in "every subject" methinks. If I cared, I could make a list of subjects I don't comment on (asking a question doesn't count as a comment).
Yes, you and MS and DJK whine incessantly (although DJK, at least, devotes some time to helping folks out with their questions). Once again, I'll suggest that the negative energy be converted into positive participation. But I won't hold my breath that the suggestion will be taken.
Hmmmmm, gotta go find that Ignore button. Have you tried it? Feel free to use it in conjunction with my user name. Might give you some relief.
forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)Another proud member of the "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>)
Edited 1/22/2006 9:42 pm by forestgirl
Thank you for the support and words of wisdom. Matthew is not a ForestGirl supporter, they have gone at many times.DJK
I think it's time for Knots to delete and/or censor this discussion, as it has done for so many others lately.
Excuse me, but did I write to you?
Edited 1/23/2006 3:08 pm ET by MatthewSchenker
OBO? would you take a clarinet its the only woodwind that I have?
Jeeeeez, we must be really slow on the uptake -- can't believe it took that long for the obvious pun to appears. ROFL. Let's drag this thing up out of the gutter and into the comedy nightclub, have some fun!forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-) Do unto others as you tell them they should do unto you....
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